Rhino

[gatekeeper]

bmurderh8s said:

Rhino dilivered a great promo and had the crowd louder then Ive ever heard it on aTNA show before. But i thought him binning the ECW titles was a slap in the face to Heyman and all the guys who wore those belts in the past. The guy worked for the ocmpany for like 2 years and at the end was only wearing both belts because RVD was gone. TNA and Rhino took a huge dump all over the ECW's legacy when they did that and I was personally offended whan I watched it happen.

TNA and its fans wish so bad that they were ECW..but there will never be another ECW. Im tired of the WWE/ECW bashing. and TNA has me on the verge of not watching after what they did to the ECW belts.

Great post DMK. I can't believe people don't learn from history. ECW would always trash WCW and then, they folded. Bischoff and WCW would always bash WWE and they folded.

The only shot Vince ever took was the ":Billionaire Ted" skits. This is also different because Vince has so much financial backing and history with his promotion, that he can do this without it coming back to bite him.

TNA needs to focus on itself, NOT WWE! That fed has so many problems, the least of which is Vince McMahon and the new ECW.

[gwffantrav]

offspring515 said:

The funniest part is that at the time he was going by the name Rhino Richards, and the fans would chant "Chyna!" at him, which really ticked him off. And honestly, pre jaw reconstruction, Chyna and he did look a bit alike.

Dang, that's actually pretty funny!

[pikemojo]

gatekeeper said:

bmurderh8s said:

Rhino dilivered a great promo and had the crowd louder then Ive ever heard it on aTNA show before. But i thought him binning the ECW titles was a slap in the face to Heyman and all the guys who wore those belts in the past. The guy worked for the ocmpany for like 2 years and at the end was only wearing both belts because RVD was gone. TNA and Rhino took a huge dump all over the ECW's legacy when they did that and I was personally offended whan I watched it happen.

TNA and its fans wish so bad that they were ECW..but there will never be another ECW. Im tired of the WWE/ECW bashing. and TNA has me on the verge of not watching after what they did to the ECW belts.

Great post DMK. I can't believe people don't learn from history. ECW would always trash WCW and then, they folded. Bischoff and WCW would always bash WWE and they folded.

The only shot Vince ever took was the ":Billionaire Ted" skits. This is also different because Vince has so much financial backing and history with his promotion, that he can do this without it coming back to bite him.

TNA needs to focus on itself, NOT WWE! That fed has so many problems, the least of which is Vince McMahon and the new ECW.

I completely agree with your point. TNA needs to focus on its own product instead of WWE's. But you make it sound as if ECW and WCW folded because they made fun of their competition. I doubt that you mean it that way but I still must comment on it. Both went under because of shoddy business decisions. Them making fun of their competition just made them look stupider when they finally did go under. It also took away precious air time from their already crowded tv shows. TNA is under an even bigger crunch because they only have an hour. I think part of it might be envy in some ways. ECW wished they could be as big and successful as WCW. The same goes for WCW and TNA toward WWE. They all feel they have a better product but look up to the success and marketshare that the competition holds.

One more thing. WWE also did the thing where DX went to the arena where WCW was at. They aren't completely innocent of it but the fact that they have so much more financial backing and history than any other promotion should make them above things like that. Why make fun of your competition if they aren't even really competing with you.

[bmurderh8s]

ECW did bash WCW, but that was back around 94-96 and it didn't last to long. Not to mention that they bashed WCW in more creative and fun ways. TNA just has guys come down to the ring and scream at Vince MacMahon. If you've ever seen some fo the Steve Austian anti Bischoff promos or some of the Foley promos you'd agree, ECW's WCW bashing worked because it was funny. TNA's doesnt because it's annoying and repetitive.

TNA has sooo much potential. So much great young talent. But instead they seem satisfied to disappoint everyone. The only people I think that actually like think TNA is on the right track are the crummy fans that fill the Impact Zone each week. BOOOO.

[theace4ever]

bmurderh8s said:

TNA has sooo much potential. So much great young talent. But instead they seem satisfied to disappoint everyone. The only people I think that actually like think TNA is on the right track are the crummy fans that fill the Impact Zone each week. BOOOO.

If TNA were a horse... I'd shoot it ;D

[Dustin Neal]

mafioso said:

I guess I'm sort of "Old-School Kayfabe", I don't like mentioning the competition on your own programming.

Regardless, I will not watch TNA until they take J-E-double F J-A-double R-E-double T off of my television. Quit acting as if you're Flair, Jarrett...you're just barely Bob Backlund.

I think Jarrett is a great heel.

[gatekeeper]

pikemojo said:

But you make it sound as if ECW and WCW folded because they made fun of their competition. I doubt that you mean it that way but I still must comment on it. Both went under because of shoddy business decisions. Them making fun of their competition just made them look stupider when they finally did go under.

Yeah, I'm just saying it's Karma coming back to bite those guys. I think we're going to start the downfall of TNA pretty soon.

[JED-SE]

haiku said:

mafioso said:

I guess I'm sort of "Old-School Kayfabe", I don't like mentioning the competition on your own programming.

Regardless, I will not watch TNA until they take J-E-double F J-A-double R-E-double T off of my television. Quit acting as if you're Flair, Jarrett...you're just barely Bob Backlund.

I think Jarrett is a great heel.

I agree. People talk about how much they hate him all of the time. Looks like he's doing his job as a heel pretty well!

[Chewey]

I would say that Jarrett was a great heel, except that I never watch him. In fact, no one seems to watch him except for those hardcore TNA fans who will live and die by TNA - and I can say with a fair amount of confidence that all of those people really hate Jarrett's guts.

So as long as the idiot Impact Zone fans continue to give Jarrett the biggest heel pop of the night, while *cheering* for every other face on the card, Jarrett will be around.

[PureHatred]

jdiamond said:

haiku said:

I think Jarrett is a great heel.

I agree. People talk about how much they hate him all of the time. Looks like he's doing his job as a heel pretty well!

Jarrett doesn't get heel heat. He gets "get off of my TV" heat. There's a difference. People don't pay to see him get beat up. As a matter of fact, they don't pay to see him at all.

The single largest ratings drop-off in TNA history occurred after he beat Raven to retain the TNA title. Just using this board alone as an example , how many long-time fans do you think turn TNA off in frustration every time he gets the belt? Making fans turn away is not "being a great heel."

Chewey is right: he's still around because the Impact Zone fans are to busy showing how smart they are to boo anyone else. That, and he has control of the company. Can't forget that.

[BDS]

purehatred said:

The single largest ratings drop-off in TNA history occurred after he beat Raven to retain the TNA title. Just using this board alone as an example , how many long-time fans do you think turn TNA off in frustration every time he gets the belt?

/raises hand

purehatred said:

Chewey is right: he's still around because the Impact Zone fans are to busy showing how smart they are to boo anyone else. That, and he has control of the company. Can't forget that.

In that respect, they're an awful lot like the fans of my beloved Chicago Cubs. They keep packing Wrigley Field no matter how bad the team is, so there's no incentive for management to build a winning team. The Cubs make money whether they win or not.

It's the same with TNA. Well, except for the "making money" part. The fans in the Impact Zone keep filling up the studio instead of finding something better to do for free, and the way they react give Jeff Jarrett ammunition when he tells management that he's the most over heel in the company. As long as these two conditions exist, I don't see any way that Jay Eee Double-Eff is going to get forced out of the top spot.

I want TNA to be what it tells us it is: The New Face of Professional Wrestling All they are with Jarrett in charge, though, is the same old crap with a less talented roster than the E.

[Dustin Neal]

Good post, Swank.

[bmurderh8s]

To be honest, I don't want TNA to die. I want them to succeed because I like having alternatives to WWE. I don't like Jarrett and don't understand why the guy is wesaring the heavywt. strap again. Especially when you have all this great talent on the roster.

TNA IMO could be just like ECW of old. They have the talent to put on great spot fests, they have the talent to put on great technical wrestling and they have the talent to put on great garbage matches. They've used barbed-wire before and it was pretty good. They need to get their act together and realize that they can't be the new face of professional wrestling when they continue to promote old, washed up WCW guys and WWE guys that continue to bitch and maon about Vince. Lets face it, their victory road main event had, lets see...Sting/Steiner/Cage and Joe. 3 of the 4 guys are washed up hacks from another company. And 2 of them are way past their prime.

And If I heard correctly, Sting won this main event? So basically everyone who thought Joe was gonna get the belt has just been s**t on.

If TNA dies we're looking at another dark age in professional wrestling. whereas if it succeeds we're staring at the next golden age. We are right on the edge, and it could go either way. IM pulling for TNA to get their act together..I really am.

[PureHatred]

haiku said:

Good post, Swank.

You're a weird cat. You said that Jarrett was "a great heel" and then agree with BDS when he bashes JJ for holding the company back and in general making sure that TNa is "the same old crap" it always is. ??

[BDS]

I don't think TNA's going to either die or succeed, not anytime in the next few years, at least ... I think they're going to exist. They've existed for this long, and I think they'll continue to limp along for a while. They're apparently turning a profit on monthly operations right now, so there's no real reason for Panda Energy to pull the plug. At the same time, though, they're never going to become the next big thing in wrestling until they start focusing on the right thing.

[MikeMcKinney]

I just don't want a WWE monopoly again, them were the dog days of Wrestling. (hell I stopped watching wrestling for almost 2 years after WCW went down) Now it's good again I watch WWE, ECW, and TNA.... WWE will be around FOREVER!!! But hopefully they will not ever be the ONLY show in town.. (back in the mid to late 80's we had WWF, AWA, UWF, WCW, and WCCW) There was a ton of wrestling on TV and it was nice to have Choices.

tkx again, the dice don't lie