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Post by offspring515 on Apr 26, 2006 23:03:13 GMT -5
Define great. And i'm not trying to be a smartass...but I can't see them putting on anything close to good, let alone great, considering their age and physical conditioning.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Apr 26, 2006 23:12:36 GMT -5
Well Flair could be wheeled to the ring and people would not bat a lash. But anyone else steps into the ring and they are quickly dismissed as "old". Bah, I just enjoy seeing some of these guys wrestle again. If its in your blood and you can still get around in the ring then keep going until you cannot go anymore. People are soo picky, and quick to turn their backs on wrestlers who helped to define the sport.
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Post by swarm on Apr 26, 2006 23:35:08 GMT -5
Well Flair could be wheeled to the ring and people would not bat a lash. But anyone else steps into the ring and they are quickly dismissed as "old". Bah, I just enjoy seeing some of these guys wrestle again. If its in your blood and you can still get around in the ring then keep going until you cannot go anymore. People are soo picky, and quick to turn their backs on wrestlers who helped to define the sport. Not enjoying seeing Scott Steiner "leaping" off of the ring apron attempting an ax-handle but instead missing his opponent by 3 feet and landing on his face outside the ring is not being picky... If I want to "see these guys wrestle again", I'll throw in a DVD from 10 years ago... wrestling about creating new characters, not holding onto the one's who used to be good... One company has Carlito, Chris Masters, John Cena, Shelton Benjamin, Bobby Lashley, and Paul Birchill... the other company has Steve Borden, and Scott Steiner. It's just bad business holding onto the past... |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 26, 2006 23:39:25 GMT -5
WWE doesn't hold onto any past the their prime guys?
TNA has no young bucks?
Being more than a little selective there, Swarm.
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Post by swarm on Apr 26, 2006 23:43:28 GMT -5
WWE doesn't hold onto any past the their prime guys? TNA has no young bucks? Being more than a little selective there, Swarm. C'mon you know what I'm saying... who are the TOP guys in WWE? Flair? who have been the TOP guys in TNA? Steve Borden, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash...we're not exactly talking about HBK, The Undertaker, and Kurt Angle here... TNA doesn't use thier young talent to push thier company...they should, but they don't. you know that. |
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Post by PureHatred on Apr 27, 2006 0:27:39 GMT -5
I honestly think that they fall back on familiar faces whenever they get into a tight spot or can't think of something better.
Lost your spot on FSN? BRING IN STING!!!
Need to drum up interest for the debut on Spike? BRING IN NASH!!!
Got a new time slot on Thursday? BRING IN SCOTT STEINER!! AND STING!!! AGAIN!!!!
I'm ok with a name wrestler showing up and nostalgia pops are fun..for about five minutes. A guy should be able to at least get around in the ring. To be fair, TNA has done a decent job hiding Steiner and Sting's weaknesses in tag matches and by having them involved in simple beat downs.
But eventually we're going to see Jarrett/Sting. Which will need to have about 5 run-ins and be incredibly overbooked or it'll be a disaster.
And it looks like we'll be seeing Steiner/Joe. Which ...um...yeah, that might actually suck. But they'll get to promote Joe as the guy who beat BPP.
I get why TNA feels they needs these kinds of names. But yeah..there's some talent on that roster that is getting lost in the shuffle. AJ, Daniels, Petey, Sabin..where are their storylines? Where's Monty? He was the hottest guy on the roster a few months back, and now he'll be off two PPVs in a row. Killings? He was in the main event at Lockdown and now...well read the spoilers if you want to know.
The point is: TNA's only hope for success is to make their own stars. They can't bring in big names and compete because their names aren't as big as WWE's (outside of Sting, maybe). And the one thing they can definitively claimmas their own is the X Division style matches..so those are the guys that should be in the forefront.
Seeing guys like Rick Steinr, Buff Bagwell, Rooad Dogg, Billy Gunn, and lex Luger....what is this, a county fair?
Oh, and for the record, I think it would be 'fun' to see The Steiners in a one shot..just like its 'fun' to watch WWE trot out Jimmy Snuka or Hacksaw Jim Duggan for one shots...but the match would be lousy. It'd be lousy, it'd have ot be short, and they would have to lose or it'd be pointless. And, if I haven't said it already, it'd be lousy.
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Post by Bazzy on Apr 27, 2006 0:28:45 GMT -5
Scott Steiner I don't mind (I am not a mad fan of his) . I mean how long before Scott v Christian ? . Or even Scott v Joe ? . Buff Bagwell I have not seen wrestle for years . Saw Lex Luger on a WWA UK event about 3 years ago . He was out of shape and breathe . I think it is mad . Why not push some lower guys , already in TNA ? .
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Post by tenzan on Apr 27, 2006 4:00:13 GMT -5
At the risk of contributing to the negativity -- I have to say this is discouraging news. I think TNA was smart to bring back Sting for the fact that he's a big name that will get them some attention. Lex Luger -- I don't understand at all. Rick Steiner -- no one is going to watch the show to see RIck Steiner, and what does he add to the product? Bagwell has been worthless since he switched his name to "Buff". TNA is in a spot where they need to take some chances and build some new stars. If bringing in all of these 'experienced' wrestlers was a bad idea in the mid 90's it's certainly a worse idea in 2006. These are the same wrestlers that were being referred to as "old guys" 10 years ago. I just hope that they are not signing contracts and becoming a regular part of the shows. If that's the case let me go on record as saying that I can't believe TNA is doing that.
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Post by pistonhurricane on Apr 27, 2006 7:27:03 GMT -5
With the younger guys they have, it makes little since to me to invest big money in guys past their prime. I think the time is right and a lot of people want to see exciting, new younger faces. TNA is starting to remind me of Hogan and Harts XWF (?) in that they are grabbing at older wwe and wcw guys for name value...
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Post by Joe on Apr 27, 2006 10:05:43 GMT -5
Well Flair could be wheeled to the ring and people would not bat a lash. But anyone else steps into the ring and they are quickly dismissed as "old". Bah, I just enjoy seeing some of these guys wrestle again. If its in your blood and you can still get around in the ring then keep going until you cannot go anymore. People are soo picky, and quick to turn their backs on wrestlers who helped to define the sport. The difference is that one guy is Ric Flair and the others are not. That's not meant as a sarcastic response, either, it's just a fact. If Ric Flair were to jump to TNA, it might actually draw some viewers. There was a time, however, in the late 90s when people were calling for Ric Flair to go home. He had lost his passion for the business, was completely miserable and it showed in the ring. Now, he shows he can still do what he does damn near as good as anyone on a nightly basis. The Steiners, Nash, Luger, etc. have not shown that. Hell, with the exception of maybe Scott Steiner, none of those guys were as good in thier respective primes as Flair is now . As far as the comment about people being "quick to turn their backs on wrestlers who helped to define the sport," one should remember that just because someone participated in a sport and got paid for it does not mean they helped to define it. Ric Flair defined an industry. Rick Steiner defined an era in WCW when Eric Bischoff's buddies got the majority of the top spots. |
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