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Post by floydthebarber on Apr 9, 2006 3:24:28 GMT -5
I'd say he's a cross between Benoit and Goldberg...but a lesser of both...but not by much. He's clearly not as polished in the ring as Benoit, and has a totally different style...but he's got that believability that Benoit has. As for Goldberg, he's got that 'hype' factor going for him...next big thing...but he clearly doesn't have the mass appeal look that Goldberg had/has...that said, many of the top MMA guys are over becasue they kick azz...how they look is secondary.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 9, 2006 4:03:52 GMT -5
Maybe...kinda like what Floyd's saying there...
If the MMA fad keeps growing, Joe's one of the VERY few guys in WWE OR TNA that has the look, style and aura that could capitalize on that.
In fact, if Spike TV wants to cross-promote UFC and TNA, Joe's the guy they should hang their hats on, not Sting.
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Post by floydthebarber on Apr 9, 2006 4:13:47 GMT -5
Glad you picked up on that, cause I didn't really make that clear...but with MMA growing, there is room for wrestling to try and 'blend in' and grab some of those fans. For 5 in the morning, your certainly on the ball Tommy...
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 9, 2006 19:11:51 GMT -5
I do my best work when exhaustion sets in...=)
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Post by hawk on Apr 9, 2006 19:57:02 GMT -5
A heel isn't supposed to draw in "casual" fans anyway. A heel's job is to be interesting, make the fans boo him, and to make the fans cheer the wrestler against him. Not be a mastermind on the mic, make people laugh, or be cool, not get cheered himself, or bring in new fans. That's the face's job. Hence why all the major draws in the history of Pro-Wrestling have been faces with significant heels to play off of. Sting had Vader and Flair, Hogan had Piper, Savage, and random guys, Bruno had guys like Superstar. Austin had Rock, Rock had Austin, and they both had Hunter.
Joe, without the large smart following will never be cheered. He's too ugly, too mean, and too dominating for fans to cheer him. The plucky underdog will get cheered, even in TNA, AJ got the majority of the face heat.
Plus, the argument of "casual fans" or booms is inconsequential in the long run. Booms last for a maximum of five to ten years, if that. We've also only had what? Three, The entire span of Pro-Wrestling. When Pro-Wrestling hit TV originally, Hogan, and then Austin. That's it. So that really shouldn't really enter the question to me, it's all about how much you can draw within the constraints of pro-wrestling as it is.
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Post by Joe on Apr 9, 2006 20:14:42 GMT -5
A heel isn't supposed to draw in "casual" fans anyway. A heel's job is to be interesting, make the fans boo him, and to make the fans cheer the wrestler against him. Not be a mastermind on the mic, make people laugh, or be cool, not get cheered himself, or bring in new fans. That's the face's job. Hence why all the major draws in the history of Pro-Wrestling have been faces with significant heels to play off of. Sting had Vader and Flair, Hogan had Piper, Savage, and random guys, Bruno had guys like Superstar. Austin had Rock, Rock had Austin, and they both had Hunter. Joe, without the large smart following will never be cheered. He's too ugly, too mean, and too dominating for fans to cheer him. The plucky underdog will get cheered, even in TNA, AJ got the majority of the face heat. Plus, the argument of "casual fans" or booms is inconsequential in the long run. Booms last for a maximum of five to ten years, if that. We've also only had what? Three, The entire span of Pro-Wrestling. When Pro-Wrestling hit TV originally, Hogan, and then Austin. That's it. So that really shouldn't really enter the question to me, it's all about how much you can draw within the constraints of pro-wrestling as it is. One could also look at it and say that Flair was the draw and sold the tickets. Hell, Flair's interviews alone drew in new fans by molding himself, in part, after Ali's interviews. One could also point to Superstar Graham's year-long run as World champion and say he was the draw, not the faces who challenged. Once again, he probably brought fans in with his charismatic personality and interview style. Rock and Austin, whether heels or faces, always cut highly-entertaining, often comical interviews. When Austin was on the come-up, Shawn Michaels was the number one heel, and his whole schtick was sophomoric humor. It's hard to grasp the theory that the ideal heel is supposed to be a mindless killing machine, when in reality, very few in that vein have been major draws on their own. I think Samoa Joe is good in the ring, too, and puts on entertaining matches. However, the question originally posed was if you were starting a company tomorrow, who would you pick to build around? If the answer is Samoa Joe, you better have a damn good number two pick. |
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Post by swarm on Apr 9, 2006 20:45:44 GMT -5
However, the question originally posed was if you were starting a company tomorrow, who would you pick to build around? If the answer is Samoa Joe, you better have a damn good number two pick. lol...this made me laugh out loud at my desk cause I know Joe and I know how he would sound saying this... plus it's true. |
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Post by swarm on Apr 9, 2006 20:48:33 GMT -5
But seriously, if all the wrestlers in the world became free-agents today, how can HHH and John Cena not be the number 1 and 2 guys you would snatch up?
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Post by tenzan on Apr 9, 2006 20:52:52 GMT -5
#1 Barry Darsow
#2 Mascarita Sagrada
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Post by Joe on Apr 9, 2006 20:54:19 GMT -5
I'm with you on that. Triple H and John Cena, especially when people look at his whole career, are the two most complete guys in the business right now.
Kurt Angle is right there, too, but I really believe he might walk away at any moment. Almost anyone else that comes to mind, has at least one glaring weakness in terms of overall (i.e. in the ring, on the mic, crossover appeal) skill.
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Post by floydthebarber on Apr 9, 2006 20:58:46 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Cena, but there is no denying that he has that 'it' potential to be a franchise guy for a while. The question is who would YOU pick...as a booker, I may not want HHH or Cena on my roster. I may see HHH as too 'WWE' for me...past his prime...etc. I've made it clear how much of a Benoit fan I am...and while I could easily see him as my #2 pick...I also know he's probably got 2-3 more good/great years left before age really takes its toll. Cena's got a good 8 + years left, unless Hollywood comes calling...
The best answer is probably The Rock...but he's not a wrestler anymore. Neither is Austin. Cena/HHH are pretty good top dogs, but both have obvious flaws and both do not cater to 'some' target audiences that one may decide to go after when starting a fed. To each his own I say...
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 9, 2006 21:01:20 GMT -5
Angle won't walk away...but I do believe he could be forced to be carried away at any moment.
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Post by floydthebarber on Apr 9, 2006 21:05:45 GMT -5
Angle would be another great #1 pick...but as stated above, there is no way any buisness person in their right mind would 'sign' him to be the franchise guy.
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Post by Joe on Apr 10, 2006 10:35:43 GMT -5
Angle won't walk away...but I do believe he could be forced to be carried away at any moment. That's what I meant. Don't get it twisted, I think it would take something pretty serious to force him out, but he does have a history of potentially-debilitating injuries. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Apr 10, 2006 18:16:42 GMT -5
Yep...either he'll go down and not come back up...and wind up in a wheelchair...or he'll go down and just won't come back up at all, period.
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Post by GOODZILLA on Apr 12, 2006 23:37:57 GMT -5
Yep...either he'll go down and not come back up...and wind up in a wheelchair...or he'll go down and just won't come back up at all, period. I know that Angle has had neck surgery, but is his condition really THIS bad?? Kurt Angle has a lot going for him, he's still relatively young, he's made a lot of money, he's a relatively big name (being a WWE superstar and an olympic gold medalist), he's a great entertainer, and doesn't he have a daughter?? Kurt hasn't been in WWE for that long, he's not a 2nd generation wrestler ... I don't see him having a hard time walking away if he really was that close to crippling himself. |
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Post by hawk on Apr 13, 2006 1:08:45 GMT -5
Angle has this weird competitive desire thing. Basicly meaning, he won't quit no matter what happens to him. Gotta remember, he won the gold medal with a broken "fricken" neck.
Angle's got alllll kinds of body issues going on, and he really, really should retire ASAP.
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Post by Wildfire on Apr 13, 2006 23:35:02 GMT -5
If I'm starting a fed, and he was willing to commit to full time for a while the #1 pick has to be the Rock, no question. I'd take Jericho as a close #2 if he decides he wants to wrestle.. his promos and workrate went WAY down hill as time went on (maybe he was burnt out)
As to active guys, I'd take Batista as my top face and Christian as my top Heel.
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Post by bigeasy on Apr 24, 2006 5:09:19 GMT -5
I choose.... Brock Lesnar!
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