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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 25, 2006 2:32:24 GMT -5
Oh don't worry Tommy I wasn't getting all "grrr" either. I think nice healthy discussions are waaay better than tearing each other down or just trying to cause a fight of idle banter.
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Post by pikemojo on Mar 25, 2006 3:56:08 GMT -5
I agree cpb. Every fed has their chosen champ. AWA had Verne Gagne and later Nick Bockwinkel. It would be nice to think that these guys made it on talent alone but it just isn't the case. The nice thing is that most all of these guys had enough talent for you to at least say they deserved some of it.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 25, 2006 9:51:56 GMT -5
Not only that but I mean look at some of those guys like Verne Gagne, Bruno Sammartino, Lou Thez, they all had very lengthy title reigns. Guys like JJ and HHH are in alot of way a throwback to those eras. Sure I may not be a huge fan of HHH and his work in the political realm of wrestling but you have to respect the man and his ability in the ring. This guy is oozing talent, I just wish he would use his knowledge to help bring others to his level.
I also think long reigning champions give a credibility to the federation and to the your title(s). Because when someone finally beats them the experience is exciting. I am soo off topic but it is something to consider. To be the World Champion of a company means you are the poster boy of the company so hopefully you have got a total package persona or be someone the fans can either really really hate or really really love.
With the unveiling of the secrets of the business "The Magic" if you will and the unseelie political poker games that go on behind the curtain it seems to me that the impact has been lost. Oh sure I definitely use suspension of disbelief (when it is warranted, but some stuff on both WWE and WCW were pretty wild.) but the kid in me wishes for more of the mystique as I remember it.
I am just happy to see Steiner back in the ring and on tv. And look forward to TNA moving forward. Steiner is not there forever so this constant shuffling of different Alumni at least allows for fans of any or all of these wrestlers to start watching again when maybe most quit after WCW and ECW were digested by the WWE War machine or turned off by WWE's circus show antics. I mean really, sometimes I wonder on RAW if I am watching wrestling or As The World Turns?
TNA's problem right now is they have the talent just not enough time to fully tell their story/stories or really show off their already hard working talent. I worry about Spike Tv's involvement in this and where it is going? They may not be able to go up against WWE now but they do need more time to get the momentum up. I think by the time TNA Impact is over casual fans and die hard fans are just getting into it when it ends.
But I digress.....
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Post by Joe on Mar 26, 2006 18:41:38 GMT -5
Not only that but I mean look at some of those guys like Verne Gagne, Bruno Sammartino, Lou Thez, they all had very lengthy title reigns. Guys like JJ and HHH are in alot of way a throwback to those eras. Sure I may not be a huge fan of HHH and his work in the political realm of wrestling but you have to respect the man and his ability in the ring. This guy is oozing talent, I just wish he would use his knowledge to help bring others to his level. There is no comparison between Triple H and Jeff Jarrett. 1- H hasn't had a sniff of the title in nearly a year months, and there is no guarantee he is walking out of Wrestlemania with it. Unlike the criticism hurled at him during Benoit's title reign, H has stayed out of the top of the program, as well. As long as TNA is in business, Jeff Jarrett will never be away from the title and main event for that long. 2- Contray to the quoted comment, Triple H has elevated people. He put over Benoit, Batista and Shelton Benjamin to name a few. What many people who complain because Triple H didn't drop the belt to their favorites of choice, is if the Game did the job to every cat on the roster, beating him wouldn't be anything special. At the end of the day, beating Triple H is what they are talking about, too. For all the complaints people have made about him burying a Jeff Hardy or Eugen by kicking the hell out of them in one-sided matches and not making them look good, pulling a comeback win would not have satisfied these people. They wanted him to lose, period. 3- Unlike Jeff Jarrett, Triple H has and does bring in money. 4- Unlike Jeff Jarrett, Triple H is clearly not "X-Pac hated by the vast majority of fans in attendance at arenas. Jarrett on the other hand has been heckled and basically told to legitimately go home by fans in both Nashville and Florida. |
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 26, 2006 18:59:06 GMT -5
I have to agree with Joe on this one.
Jeff Jarrett is a good wrestler and a very viable midcarder. Unfortunately he's been shoved down our throats since the Russo era of WCW, and as a result has an ever-growing alliance of fans who are sick and tired of seeing him on their TV's.
I understand what you're saying about guys with lengthy title reigns. Lengthy title reigns are great, as long as you either love the champion or love to hate the champion. Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, and Triple H are all guys that had either one or both of those qualities. Jeff Jarrett seems to be in a category of his own, where people are just sick and tired of looking at him...this includes both internet fans and casual fans.
Count me in as a guy who was a Jarrett fan back when he was Double J. I thought he made a very good annoying-type heel. But starting with Slapnuts, my attitude about him changed. The only reason Jarrett has ever been elevated to the position he's in is because he's friends with Russo and/or because he has a lot of sway in backstage politics. He's probably the most glorified midcarder in the last two decades.
I don't like HHH either, but he's got a whole lot more tools and charisma than Jarrett does.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 26, 2006 19:38:48 GMT -5
Bah!
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 29, 2006 11:14:12 GMT -5
Not only that but I mean look at some of those guys like Verne Gagne, Bruno Sammartino, Lou Thez, they all had very lengthy title reigns. Guys like JJ and HHH are in alot of way a throwback to those eras. Sure I may not be a huge fan of HHH and his work in the political realm of wrestling but you have to respect the man and his ability in the ring. This guy is oozing talent, I just wish he would use his knowledge to help bring others to his level. There is no comparison between Triple H and Jeff Jarrett. 1- H hasn't had a sniff of the title in nearly a year months, and there is no guarantee he is walking out of Wrestlemania with it. Unlike the criticism hurled at him during Benoit's title reign, H has stayed out of the top of the program, as well. As long as TNA is in business, Jeff Jarrett will never be away from the title and main event for that long. 2- Contray to the quoted comment, Triple H has elevated people. He put over Benoit, Batista and Shelton Benjamin to name a few. What many people who complain because Triple H didn't drop the belt to their favorites of choice, is if the Game did the job to every cat on the roster, beating him wouldn't be anything special. At the end of the day, beating Triple H is what they are talking about, too. For all the complaints people have made about him burying a Jeff Hardy or Eugen by kicking the hell out of them in one-sided matches and not making them look good, pulling a comeback win would not have satisfied these people. They wanted him to lose, period. 3- Unlike Jeff Jarrett, Triple H has and does bring in money. 4- Unlike Jeff Jarrett, Triple H is clearly not "X-Pac hated by the vast majority of fans in attendance at arenas. Jarrett on the other hand has been heckled and basically told to legitimately go home by fans in both Nashville and Florida. Spot on. Especially the last two points. I would also like to add that while fins crucify Trips now, his run during 99 and 2000 was one of the best heel runs the industry has ever seen. His series of matches with Rocky, then Foly, then Austin were incredible and reminded me of Flair's run where he feuded with Steamboat then went straight into his series with Terry Funk. Epic. And whatever his politics are now, Trips at least earned his spot at the top of the card. JJ has never come close to havng a stretch like that. Ever. Russo signed him away from the WWF and then shoved him nto the main event scene to justify his salary. Then his dad bought a company. On talent alone JJ has never justified his staus as a main eventer. And unless you're one of those people who just blindly agree with everything TNA does, that's pretty obvious. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 29, 2006 20:02:39 GMT -5
I remember in his initial turn against X-Pac, their match got slammed, but I really dug it...just really well put together, but perhaps TOO methodical.
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Post by R.A.T.M. on Mar 29, 2006 21:33:51 GMT -5
First to add my opinion to the JJ/HHH scenario, the biggest difference between the two(this includes anything you want to believe about HHH), is this HHH has the skills to back things up, Jarrett can't carry a match against weak opponents, and he isn't half as good on the stick, now since this thread was about Scotty steiner, my big predication is this, just like his WWE run, he'll wear out his welcome and fall into the mid card in about 3 months, and then be gone by this time next yr.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 30, 2006 0:55:14 GMT -5
He is there short term so your prediction is null and void.  |
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Post by Pride on Apr 8, 2006 7:30:18 GMT -5
You thought Big Pappa Pump wasGOOD?!On the mike?
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Post by canadianpittbull on Apr 8, 2006 7:57:24 GMT -5
Well he was not one of the top heels for nothing, the 5 second delay bit was awesome! I also loved when he came out with the tape across his mouth with CENSORED written on it. I like how he held nothing back especially with his heat with Flair or DDP.
He may not have been crisp as others on the mic but man he could sure talk up the part of the heel. You have to give him that much.
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Post by swarm on Apr 8, 2006 10:42:37 GMT -5
Big Poppa was great on the mic...he just sucked in the ring...
now? he sucks at both.
didn't he call the fans in Orlando: rednecks? hahaha...
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Post by canadianpittbull on Apr 8, 2006 14:56:57 GMT -5
Well maybe everyone is a redneck to him? |
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Post by Knapik on Apr 8, 2006 15:03:33 GMT -5
Well there ARE some bigtime rednecks in Florida.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Apr 8, 2006 15:29:30 GMT -5
And thar must be farming communities nearby that come inta thuh city ta see sum wrasslin' ...er scufflin?
In all fairness to BBP, he did work in WCW for along time and saw alot of "rednecks" in the company and in the arenas they wrestled in. Maybe all he sees now is red necks?
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Post by sickman on Apr 8, 2006 17:15:08 GMT -5
As a resident of Orlando, I can honestly say there are a lot of rednecks in this town.
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Post by swarm on Apr 9, 2006 18:02:19 GMT -5
well, I stand corrected then. That is more than enough evidence to prove me wrong.
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Post by Knapik on Apr 9, 2006 18:51:34 GMT -5
And thar must be farming communities nearby that come inta thuh city ta see sum wrasslin' ...er scufflin? In all fairness to BBP, he did work in WCW for along time and saw alot of "rednecks" in the company and in the arenas they wrestled in. Maybe all he sees now is red necks? Scufflin! hahaha |
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