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Post by Tournament Master on Mar 13, 2006 13:31:47 GMT -5
I was close to getting the PPV soley for the Ultimate X match, and am glad I didn't since the planned finish didn't go off with Samoa Joe being injured. All of the finishes seemed predicatble (down to Jarrett using the Stroke to beat K-Kwik...er...Ron Killings). Then Scott Steiner comes out at the end...ugh.
Anybody out there actually see the show? anyone enjoy it?
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 13, 2006 15:48:49 GMT -5
Scott Steiner? Boy am I glad I quit watching.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 13, 2006 15:54:44 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this show. Well worth it, some great matches. The appearance of Steiner was awesome! He is one of my favourites. However I am not sure I like the tattoo in the middle of his chest. Either way this show felt like a ppv, had some great finishes and an appearance of a established star which can only help to propel the company. I see a return of Goldberg in the future after comments by Samoa Joe and of course the appearance of Steiner/chants by the crowd could set up something with Goldberg or have him do a program with Samoa Joe.
The only match that really lagged abit was the World Title match, dunno Monty Brown is good but I found the Jarrett/Christian match more entertaining than the Brown/Christian match. I don't think Brown is ready for the World Title just yet.
I would assume that Abyss and Christian will be next on the menu? AS far as the Steiner haters out there, WWE marks need not apply.
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Post by Joe on Mar 13, 2006 16:10:31 GMT -5
I liked Steiner when he teamed with his brother years ago. Hell, I even kind of enjoyed listening to him ramble on after he became "Big Poppa Pump," but, following all his injuries, he's useless. Even Triple H couldn't manage to carry him to a good match.
As for Goldberg possibly coming to TNA, I have but one question: What good could that possibly do?
People got into Goldberg because of the streak. TNA does not have the number of servicable mid-carders, nor the resources in which to acquire them, to give Goldberg another streak, and there is still no guarantee such a run of dominance would catch on with people again.
If Goldberg comes to TNA to feud with Samoa Joe, Joe gets buried, and that is very bad for TNA.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 13, 2006 16:20:24 GMT -5
Well Steiner was injured during his run in WWE and of course they were out to bury him anyways. I mean he comes in with a HUGE pop at Survivour Series 02 and then they put him against HHH and have him run for the World Title right off the bat! How stupid is that?
As far as Goldberg is concerned they don't have to have him crush every single guy anyways. I could see him coming in like Sting to help put the TNA product on the map and bring back the WCW fans as well as wrestlers who were over in WWE but didn't get the chance in the spotlight that they may have deserved.
I think a nice even focus on the established wrestlers with the New Blood will help propel the company and also help the New Blood of TNA get more established themselves especially to the casual fan.
This PPV was great and I enjoyed it. Ultimately you either enjoy TNA's product or you don't. Nobody can tell you whether you should order it or not. You either want to support the product so that they can get more TV time and thus be able to showcase more of their wrestlers and develop their storyline(s).
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Post by lordrahl on Mar 13, 2006 16:36:40 GMT -5
I enjoyed the PPV as a whole, but the Ulitmate X was terrible. Especially when you can see Joe talking to Daniels, and telling him he couldn't climb the cords. C'mon at least try to hide it. It didn't have any really cool spots that are expected in UX. The world title match did lag as well, but I think they were trying to make a point that Christian can be beat to Hell and still come back, but they didn't do it very well. The 4- way X match was very goood and shows how badly WWE writes their Cr. Wt. matches as TNA makes them exciting.
As for Big Poppa Pump, I've always liked him, and did feel the WWE misused him, but he is also so injury prone. TNA doesn't really need another big heel though. Also, how long until Steiner and Jarrett's egos go at it? I don't see how spending money on him is going to enhance TNA in any way.
Keep the Faith
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Post by Joe on Mar 13, 2006 16:47:23 GMT -5
Well Steiner was injured during his run in WWE and of course they were out to bury him anyways. I mean he comes in with a HUGE pop at Survivour Series 02 and then they put him against HHH and have him run for the World Title right off the bat! How stupid is that? As far as Goldberg is concerned they don't have to have him crush every single guy anyways. I could see him coming in like Sting to help put the TNA product on the map and bring back the WCW fans as well as wrestlers who were over in WWE but didn't get the chance in the spotlight that they may have deserved. I think a nice even focus on the established wrestlers with the New Blood will help propel the company and also help the New Blood of TNA get more established themselves especially to the casual fan. This PPV was great and I enjoyed it. Ultimately you either enjoy TNA's product or you don't. Nobody can tell you whether you should order it or not. You either want to support the product so that they can get more TV time and thus be able to showcase more of their wrestlers and develop their storyline(s). How could they have better used Steiner? He was a former WCW World champion and was injury-prone as hell, but he was pretty over with the crowd. Having him feud with Triple H for the title was the best thing to do with him, because it was better to get a couple of headline PPVs out of him than to give him a slow build-up, because a physical breakdown was inevitable. |
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Post by JED-SE on Mar 13, 2006 17:56:39 GMT -5
Well Steiner was injured during his run in WWE and of course they were out to bury him anyways. I mean he comes in with a HUGE pop at Survivour Series 02 and then they put him against HHH and have him run for the World Title right off the bat! How stupid is that? As far as Goldberg is concerned they don't have to have him crush every single guy anyways. I could see him coming in like Sting to help put the TNA product on the map and bring back the WCW fans as well as wrestlers who were over in WWE but didn't get the chance in the spotlight that they may have deserved. I think a nice even focus on the established wrestlers with the New Blood will help propel the company and also help the New Blood of TNA get more established themselves especially to the casual fan. This PPV was great and I enjoyed it. Ultimately you either enjoy TNA's product or you don't. Nobody can tell you whether you should order it or not. You either want to support the product so that they can get more TV time and thus be able to showcase more of their wrestlers and develop their storyline(s). How could they have better used Steiner? He was a former WCW World champion and was injury-prone as hell, but he was pretty over with the crowd. Having him feud with Triple H for the title was the best thing to do with him, because it was better to get a couple of headline PPVs out of him than to give him a slow build-up, because a physical breakdown was inevitable. Wow! I never really thought about it that way, Joe. Originally, I agreed with Canadian Pitbull. I wonder if TNA will do the same with him and have Christian do the same and then release him. |
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 13, 2006 19:08:52 GMT -5
HUH? Your kidding right? The guy is not injury prone! He had an existing injury when he got there and they refused to let him go in gradually and let the injury heal. He wasn't even 100% when he got there! Look at the WWE heavy schedule for working events.
He had to wear a support brace in his foot when he wrestled. He was wrestling hurt and did well for a guy with a nerve damage in his foot. Sure he was over but that doesn't mean you toss him directly against HHH and for the World Title! Where is it written that every over guy has to have the title around his waist? He didn't need the title!
As far as Steiner being a WCW World Champion it matters not. Look at Taz he was over and look what the WWE did with him and he was a ECW World Champion, should he not have gone for the World Title right away?
Steiner has had time to heal and time will tell if he can still go. Also with TNA not having the same heavy work schedule will allow Steiner and others less chances of working hurt.
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Post by gwffantrav on Mar 13, 2006 19:31:27 GMT -5
First, they used Steiner wrong because he's/was a damn good heel back in WCW! Isn't cut out to be a face any longer after that awesome heel run in WCW.
But, watching him though, you knew his body was shot or else he is sooo bulked up, it was like watching Ted Arcidi now.
But I think the prob with the Triple H matches is that Triple H should have been more of a coward against this supermanbeastfreaksteroid looking Steiner, like HHH did against Batista.
But Steiner was probably too banged up at that point to have any kind of Title run anways....
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Post by Big Bri on Mar 13, 2006 19:45:20 GMT -5
Look at Taz he was over and look what the WWE did with him and he was a ECW World Champion, should he not have gone for the World Title right away? Steiner has had time to heal and time will tell if he can still go. Also with TNA not having the same heavy work schedule will allow Steiner and others less chances of working hurt. I never saw the ECW Heavyweight Title as "World" title caliber. ECW only covered a 3-state area for most of its existence. I know THEY called it a World Title, but every fed does that to make themselves seem like a bigger deal than what they really are. I saw the ECW Title as more on the same level as the IC or U.S. Titles. I do see what you're saying, but I think Taz should've gone one of the secondary titles first, then after he established himself to the masses of WWE fans, he could've got a big push to the top. I agree with your point on Steiner though, and hope he does well. He was a great heel at a time when WCW desperately needed one. |
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Post by swarm on Mar 13, 2006 19:55:16 GMT -5
Scott Steiner was finished a LONG time ago...the guy is a mess...he is terrible.
Vince HAD to let him go because sooner or later, he was going to drop someone on his head and kill them...
the guy can't even walk let alone wrestle.
He isn't going to heal...he isn't going to make it...this is just another example of TNA shoving all thier brightest talent to the undercard while throwing money at washed-up has-been losers who used to wrestle in the Main Events of WWE and WCW, all in hopes people will start paying attention...
it's pathetic.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 13, 2006 20:32:16 GMT -5
As far back as I can remember Scott Steiner has had one injury or another. As far as I'm concerned he's been worthless ever since he became Poppa Pump. He had huge potential in the early 90's but since he got injured and beefed up it's been painful at very best to have to watch him waddle down to the ring and attempt to wrestle. The Steiner Recliner is one of the dumbest finishers I've ever seen... doesn't even look like it would hurt.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 13, 2006 21:28:59 GMT -5
Scott Steiner was finished a LONG time ago...the guy is a mess...he is terrible. Vince HAD to let him go because sooner or later, he was going to drop someone on his head and kill them... the guy can't even walk let alone wrestle. He isn't going to heal...he isn't going to make it...this is just another example of TNA shoving all their brightest talent to the undercard while throwing money at washed-up has-been losers who used to wrestle in the Main Events of WWE and WCW, all in hopes people will start paying attention... it's pathetic. Swarm..go away. So I guess we can say that The Camel Clutch is dumb as well. As it a version of it, or more so would be a standing version that focuses on the throat and on the back where as the Camel Clutch focuses more on the back. So I guess that Salavador Gory Guerrero, El Santo, The Iron Sheik and The Sheik are all dumb wrestlers for using this "dumbest finisher you have ever seen." Also Steiner does his to show his dominance in the ring and over the wrestler he is finishing off. If you don't like that call him up and ask him to put ya in it and see how it feels.  |
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Post by PureHatred on Mar 13, 2006 21:57:37 GMT -5
I loved Steiner as Big Poppa Pump. The guy had serious issues and he played an amazing heel. You could tell that alot of the edge in the BPP character came from the real Scott Steiner.
That being said, I prett y much think Swarm is dead on. I HOPE that he can bring back some of that intensity and charisma. But I pretty much know that it's like hioing for one more big season out of you're favorite washed up pro athlete.
Steiner's last run in the WWE probably killed him off as a true draw, so this seems sort of pointless. They're paying top dollar to a guy to destroy Sting and be Jarrett's bodyguard? Maybe get one more match out of him where Sting has to beat Steiner in order to win the right to beat JJ ( or some other similar generic storyline)? Long term, would't they have been better served utting Abyss in that role or maybe having Lance Hoyt turn? Doea anyone really think that Steiner is goping to generate enough of a jump in ratings or buyrates to justify bringing him in?
I thought the show, as a whole, was pretty decent. I enjoyed Christian and Monty but I'm fans of both, so I'm biased. But I sincerely though the Steiner thing was a little inexplicable.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 13, 2006 23:51:18 GMT -5
So I guess we can say that The Camel Clutch is dumb as well. As it a version of it, or more so would be a standing version that focuses on the throat and on the back where as the Camel Clutch focuses more on the back. So I guess that Salavador Gory Guerrero, El Santo, The Iron Sheik and The Sheik are all dumb wrestlers for using this "dumbest finisher you have ever seen." Also Steiner does his to show his dominance in the ring and over the wrestler he is finishing off. The fact that it's a "standing version" is what makes it so dumb. I can see how it would hurt to have my arms draped over someone's knees and my neck pulled back on as someone sits on my back. In reality, if applied correctly, the camel clutch would be very painful. The Steiner Recliner on the other hand looks like a version of the same hold that's not even applied all the way. He doesn't sit down on the guy's back and thus doesn't create the illusion that he's got the guy in much of a painful hold. |
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Post by swarm on Mar 14, 2006 0:25:40 GMT -5
Scott Steiner was finished a LONG time ago...the guy is a mess...he is terrible. Vince HAD to let him go because sooner or later, he was going to drop someone on his head and kill them... the guy can't even walk let alone wrestle. He isn't going to heal...he isn't going to make it...this is just another example of TNA shoving all their brightest talent to the undercard while throwing money at washed-up has-been losers who used to wrestle in the Main Events of WWE and WCW, all in hopes people will start paying attention... it's pathetic. Swarm..go away. So I guess we can say that The Camel Clutch is dumb as well. As it a version of it, or more so would be a standing version that focuses on the throat and on the back where as the Camel Clutch focuses more on the back. So I guess that Salavador Gory Guerrero, El Santo, The Iron Sheik and The Sheik are all dumb wrestlers for using this "dumbest finisher you have ever seen." Also Steiner does his to show his dominance in the ring and over the wrestler he is finishing off. If you don't like that call him up and ask him to put ya in it and see how it feels. I ran into Scott Steiner 3 separate times last summer in the same bar in Mt. Clemens... he is a joke... number one he is a midget... his legs are spiny due to his wrecked ankle... he's so jacked on juice, yet still physically weak...he looks like rubber...I'm not sure if it's all even muscle... I saw him incline bench 275lbs. one time and struggled to get 5... there are at least 3 other members of this board alone who can do that for 10... and you expect this guy to safely wrestle anyone? Maybe TNA will sign Magnum TA next... |
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 14, 2006 0:38:13 GMT -5
Ultimately I am not going to get into a Huge debate over this as we are pretty much off topic. And this whole Steiner debate could go on and on. Ultimately we can agree to disagree and life will go on. I will enjoy Steiner's return to TV and see him in TNA.
My comment to you Swarm as far as going away only has to do with your constant negativity on the TNA boards here. Sure everyone is entitled to their opinions but I don't think I have ever heard you have one good thing to say here about TNA. So if ya hate it why comment on it.
I loathe the current WWE product right now but I am not going to throw negative comments on the WWE boards here every single time. It is just a waste of time and energy.
As far as getting back on topic. Again it was a great ppv. And I look forward to Lockdown.
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Post by lordrahl on Mar 14, 2006 0:41:04 GMT -5
First, they used Steiner wrong because he's/was a damn good heel back in WCW! Isn't cut out to be a face any longer after that awesome heel run in WCW. Exactly! |
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Post by gatekeeper on Mar 14, 2006 1:28:32 GMT -5
I loathe the current WWE product right now but I am not going to throw negative comments on the WWE boards here every single time. Well, lots of people voice their displeasure on all facets of wrestling. Like I've always said, there's no rule that you can only post things that are filled with rays of sunshine because that would get tiresome, too. I understand your point that you think it's always negative but that's because the TNA fed could be so much better than it is if they changed some things, but it never seems to happen. |
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