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Post by hawk on Mar 3, 2006 16:48:50 GMT -5
I think this could be a good discussion here. Samoa Joe has been getting the god-push in TNA unlike anyone else since Goldberg. It's working, as I know marks that now think Joe is completely unstoppable. However, they've sorta painted themselves into a corner with the X Division division, and title.
So what would you do? As it stands right now, Joe is probably going to lose the title at Destination X, and then mvoe up to heavyweights. The problem is, by having Joe lose the match, his aura will be damaged if only slightly.
On the other hand, if Joe just vacates the title, the X Division is litterally destroyed with no clear contenders at any level since no one beat Joe.
So, thoughts?
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Post by Big Bri on Mar 3, 2006 17:01:04 GMT -5
I'm wondering how Joe will perform in the Ultimate X Match. I doubt he'll be able to climb and hold onto the cables. They're going to have to come up with something creative there. Maybe someone knocks the "X" down and he catches it?
I think Joe shouldn't contend for the HW Title just yet. Maybe give it a few more months.
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Post by Chewey on Mar 3, 2006 17:30:35 GMT -5
I thought they already did that finish once... AJ Styles won his first X division title that way on some match that was on the Best of the X Division DVD.
Anyway, if it were a normal triple threat match, I'd just say have either AJ Styles or Christopher Daniels get the pinfall over the other (probably AJ over Daniels, since Daniels seems to be the guy who's there to make AJ look good), so that Samoa Joe could say he didn't take the loss. However, it's a little trickier to do that in an Ultimate X match.
I say Joe should go over big in Ultimate X. He could still use the rub of beating Styles and Daniels in a match that he is clearly at a disadvantage in. He can always lose the X Division title in the formulaI just described at a later date, as much of a cop-out as it seems. Sure, that's how Kurt Angle lost both the Intercontinental and European titles six years ago, but TNA fans don't care about what was done in WWE, right?
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Post by LWPD on Mar 3, 2006 18:36:28 GMT -5
Good topic Hawk.
If SJ is going to lose the belt something like this is really the slickest way to do it. If say AJ grabs the X and wins the title he still wouldn't have pinned Joe so the finish would retain a built in catalyst for the singles rematch. I think it's safe to say Styles/Joe is an inevitable 'can't miss' singles program we'll see revisited down the road regardless. This would elevate one (whoever wins the X) while freeing up Joe to move onto 'greener pastures'.
Now that he's signed the multi year contract the sky is the limit for him. The aftermath would be that Joe is no longer the X Division Champ but still has yet to have been pinned by anyone in the entire company. He'll still have the same underlying 'it' factor he's kept through his 'winning streak' and can be set up to transition into a main event program with Christian...which would be a lot more exciting to watch than the upcoming CC carry job of Monty Brown that's around the corner. He's now a secure role player in the company and he should to be booked at our near the top in both divisions with the 'switch' factor being a creative bonus.
Like Watching Paint Dry (who's grown very tired of the Styles/Joe/Daniels Triple Threat formula now running for third of the last five PPVs...TNA Creative should elevate/rotate the talent from with-in and bring some much needed diversity into the main X Division mix)
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 3, 2006 18:53:22 GMT -5
One alternative is to have Joe get frustrated and DECIMATE Styles/Daniels, before grabbing a ladder and climbing up to grab the X title..violating the spirit, if not the rules of the match. Larry Z can strip Joe of the belt, putting it on the line in the World X Cup...and transition Joe to heavys.
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Post by Chewey on Mar 3, 2006 20:25:13 GMT -5
that's a great idea, Tommy, lol.
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Post by STEVIE~! on Mar 3, 2006 21:19:13 GMT -5
I think Joe's going to win... Originally, I thought they'd use this match simply to get the belt off of him without having him drop a fall. However, they're simply making too big a deal of this "WILL THE ROPES SUPPORT JOE!?" thing for him not to win.
If he does win, I'd have Joe hold the title until Sting's contract expires and Sting presumably retires. Essentially, I think Joe should have the X-Division title when he goes for the Heavyweight title (Presumably against Christian Cage, who I assume will be a heel by then.) This could lead to the 2nd ever (I believe Lynn as X-Champion faced Killings in an NWA Title match, though I figure TNA will forget about that and call it the 1st) NWA Champion vs. X-Division Champion.
Joe goes over and becomes champion, and eventually just vacates the X-Division title... Essentially, give him the Goldberg push.
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Post by Tournament Master on Mar 4, 2006 1:34:19 GMT -5
Gotta say I love the build with Joe, its my favorite part of TNA. The 3 way feud has been great, but its time to move on. I was thinking that Joe would lose the title, but would still not be pinned in TNA. He did lose one other time in the previously mentioned triple threat a few months ago, right before winning the X belt. However, I really like Tommy's idea of him using the ladder to futher disgrace the X division code...he'd be a regular Thantos.  Once he does move ontp the Heavyweights, who do you pair him with after AJ and Daniels? Rhino comes to mind for some reason as a warm up, before taking out Christian Cage. I think Joe is the biggest key to TNA when they go to primetime. |
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Post by Bazzy on Mar 4, 2006 3:03:31 GMT -5
Personally they need to keep the X Division title reign going (also his winning run) .What is the longest X Division title reign ? . Maybe think about beating that record ? .He has got time on his side , to do it . Don't mess it up like WWE did with Randy Orton ! .
It seems like its all against him in Ultimate X mtach v Joe & Daniels . Which tells me , he will probably do it . I hope so .
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Post by Chewey on Mar 4, 2006 10:27:59 GMT -5
all of this talk about having the cables and ring reinforced to support a big guy like Samoa Joe... How about Joe being on the cusp of victory when both cables break, and one of the other guys grabs the belt?
But I would rather Joe win it in a solid performance that surprises us all, because people don't really him to be able to win this match. A victory would enhance his monster push.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 4, 2006 15:05:18 GMT -5
See, Joe keeps saying "Don't understimate what I'll do to keep this belt"...that tells me he's planning on doing something that totally violates what we have seen from the Ultimate X...heck, maybe he gets bolt cutters and cuts the cables down himself after wiping out Joe and AJ...that or the ladder could EASILY allow him to continue his gimmick of "disgracing the code"
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Post by cakejedi on Mar 4, 2006 16:59:17 GMT -5
I would like to see Joe win at Ultimate X and keep the unbeaten streak alive. If they continue to push him, Joe could become the guy that carries the banner of TNA. He wouldn't be seen as a WWE castoff and could create a lot of buzz for organization. Personally, I would like to see Samoa Joe unbeaten going into a match with Sting where Sting loses to Joe, giving him a HUGE credibility boost.
The problem for TNA is how do you push Joe without taking the spotlight off of their other banner bearer-"MR. TNA " A.J. Styles. If Joe remains the X-Division Champions, Styles will need some kind of storyline to keep him in the spotlight.
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Post by pikemojo on Mar 7, 2006 0:23:38 GMT -5
There could always be a mid carder interference on Joe. Joe would lose the belt but at the same time would move up on the card and into a feud with someone who would help him advance his career.
Or AJ Styles and Joe end up brawling intensely and in the mean time Daniels grabs the title. Joe and AJ continue their feud for a while and Daniels continues in the X Division. Or Daniels and Joe feud and AJ gets the title. AJ has more star power though.
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Post by Wad on Mar 7, 2006 6:05:40 GMT -5
See, Joe keeps saying "Don't understimate what I'll do to keep this belt"...that tells me he's planning on doing something that totally violates what we have seen from the Ultimate X...heck, maybe he gets bolt cutters and cuts the cables down himself after wiping out Joe and AJ...that or the ladder could EASILY allow him to continue his gimmick of "disgracing the code" I think what he might do is hire a ringer, like Shannon Moore, to grab the belt down and give it to him. |
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Post by Wad on Mar 7, 2006 6:09:10 GMT -5
The problem for TNA is how do you push Joe without taking the spotlight off of their other banner bearer-"MR. TNA " A.J. Styles. If Joe remains the X-Division Champions, Styles will need some kind of storyline to keep him in the spotlight. Styles has taken a lot of losses, but TNA has still kept him strong. Wasn't he World Champ before TNA got both the Fox Sports and Spike TV deals? If he gets the duke in the big feuds, he'll still be fine with the fans. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 7, 2006 12:47:35 GMT -5
The Moore thing would work...I think cutting down the cables would be more "disgraceful", though...
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Post by Barnestormer on Mar 9, 2006 13:35:23 GMT -5
I thought they already did that finish once... AJ Styles won his first X division title that way on some match that was on the Best of the X Division DVD. They did the "X Belt" falling down and someone caught it to become the X Champion, but it wasn't AJ. They did that spot about 5-6 months ago, which gave "The Canadian Destroyer" Petey Williams his first X Division championship. That set up an Ultimate X re-match on the first prime-time Impact! special, in which Williams successfully retained the title by pulling the title down |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Mar 9, 2006 17:27:23 GMT -5
It was way more than 5-6 months ago...over a year...since Petey had already broken the X Division record a year ago.
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