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Post by leafar on Feb 18, 2006 11:35:50 GMT -5
That is a rumor I have read on the internet. Let me also throw in Brock Lesner, who is involved in a lawsuit with the WWE. Since Y2J lives in Florida, I think he is going to sign with TNA this year...if he isn't injured and he still wants to wrestle and he wants/needs the money/fame. I don't like Goldberg in the ring. I don't think he has great ring skills; Y2J is a very good worker in the ring, when he is in shape; I like Brock in the ring. However, he is a nut case in his personal life...steroids? I have no proof of that, but...steroids? Anyway, in closing, I hope Y2J comes to TNA to work full time like Christian. I'd even take him as a part-timer like Sting...  |
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Post by Avarice on Feb 18, 2006 12:56:25 GMT -5
I'm liking TNA, I think it will get better over time I hope. Y2J is one of my favorite wrestlers, and I think he could add to TNA's star power. Atleast he isn't one of the weaker castaways like Kip James or Shannon Moore, he's a bigger name, and that'd really help. Doubt he could use his "Y2J" moniker, as I'm sure it's trademarked, but Chris Jericho as himself is still cool.
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Post by gwffantrav on Feb 18, 2006 13:00:25 GMT -5
Yeah, they're going to need some WWE "name" castoffs. Christian is a step inthe right direction. But getting guys like Mr As s, Shannon Moore, Rhino won't get it done.
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Post by leafar on Feb 18, 2006 15:53:12 GMT -5
TNA needs a few more big names in order to actually compete head to head with the WWE. I am not talking about touring, but TNA could beat the WWE in PPV's. Goldberg would be good as a part-timer like Sting. He would increase the buy rate for a PPV. A Sting v. Goldberg match would sell very well. Goldberg is not great in the ring, but he has name recognition and he can put a$$e$ in the PPV seats. When Chris comes to the TNA, I hope it leads to a feud with Christian... |
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Post by swarm on Feb 18, 2006 20:03:13 GMT -5
I could actually see Goldberg in TNA...
but here's what would happen...
they would give him the same push as WCW gave him, and their whole product would revolve around him...
he would go for weeks just KILLING guys in matches lasting seconds with the spear and jack-hammer...(can you imagine Goldberg vs. anyone in the X division? Think fly vs. windsheild...)
he would squash Monty Brown, Abyss, and Rhyno on the way to winning the TNA fanny-pack they call a "World Title"...
they probably would try to put him vs. Sting, and it would be the worst Main Event in the history of time right behind Hogan-Zodiac at Starrcade...
then he would take a few guitars to the head, drop the belt back to Jarret, and disappear into retirement again...
this all in probably a span of 8-12 months, if that...
so, in the end...
all the TNA cheer-leaders across the Internet will have wasted their time piping-up about how TNA is "gonna make it!" and "gonna be better than the WWE" because they signed Goldberg...
Goldberg will have taken TNA for 10 times more money than he could ever be worth...
not to mention he will have damaged the credibility, and star-power of the TNA roster (even worse than they do to themselves right now...) by rolling through the fed like a bull in a china-shop, leaving broken, tiny, born to be on velocity bodies in his wake...
and the only guy to gain anything at all from his time in TNA, will be Jeff Jarret, who will be the only guy to score a pin over Goldberg...and be the champion when he leaves.
that's it.
And Chris Jericho is too smart to ever go to TNA...he is a future WWE H.O.F., and he isn't going to ruin that by joining some flea circus.
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Post by josharpie99 on Feb 18, 2006 21:13:21 GMT -5
In all fairness Swarm, I think Jericho's in-ring career is not over. He's fairly young and I'm sure he'd like another run. Is it in WWE? Well, if any recent memory serves me correctly, I would say no.
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Post by swarm on Feb 18, 2006 22:18:24 GMT -5
In all fairness Swarm, I think Jericho's in-ring career is not over. He's fairly young and I'm sure he'd like another run. Is it in WWE? Well, if any recent memory serves me correctly, I would say no. I agree with you that his in-ring career is far from over... |
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Post by Bazzy on Feb 19, 2006 6:16:15 GMT -5
Goldberg ? I think his body is finnished . Personally in the WWE he never set it alight like in WCW . I could see a few matches working v Rhyno ? v Monty ? v Christian ?
Brock ? I would say NEVER . If WWE can not settle over money and superstar status . How can he fit into TNA ? . If would have to be main event all the way and nothing else ? .
Y2J ? Like the Rock he has found something that makes you just as much money (and he wants to do it) and better for your body . Touring you still see the world . Maybe on a part time bases , as a heel with team Canada . Christian v Y2J we saw in WWE ? why bring it up again ?
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Post by floydthebarber on Feb 19, 2006 18:47:02 GMT -5
I hope TNA doesn't bring Goldberg in. They've got their own 'Goldberg' type in Samoa Joe, so they don't need to pay big money to manufacture that hype.
The chances of seeing Brock in TNA are probably better than zero, but as he's probably the most dominant wrestler in the world today, he'd destroy anyone in TNA. If he stays in Japan for a year or two and NJPW build on their relationship with TNA we 'might' see a Brock v. TNA wrestler here at some sort of SUPERCARD...but that is a long shot.
Same with Jericho. Is it possible? Yes...but I think despite the no-push he recieved for nearly 2 years before he left he is still in good with Vince and Co and would have to really WANT to go to TNA for reasons like Christian's...but Jericho is/was a bigger star than Christian, so I think its a longer shot than seeing Brock in TNA.
I'd hold out hope that someone like RVD or Shelton Benjamin or Benoit decides they want to leave and work in another environment where they would be 'bigger' stars.
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Post by sickman on Feb 20, 2006 7:25:09 GMT -5
Someone said that Jericho makes the same money as he did in WWE with his music. Not at $11.00 per ticket he doesn't. But the fact that he was smart with his WWE money allows him the freedom to do the music thing. I say Jericho returns to WWE around the time the RAW/SD "draft" is. Shortly after Wrestlemania.
As far as Goldberg and Lesner go. I do hope the Jarretts are smart enough not to sign either of them. Goldberg putting a$$es in the seats? Possible. Him being a complete cancer like Swarm said? Very plausible.
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Post by gatekeeper on Feb 20, 2006 12:21:46 GMT -5
I hope TNA doesn't bring Goldberg in. They've got their own 'Goldberg' type in Samoa Joe Yeah, he is their version of Goldberg. A really fat version. |
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Post by PureHatred on Feb 20, 2006 16:05:17 GMT -5
That is a rumor I have read on the internet. Let me also throw in Brock Lesner, who is involved in a lawsuit with the WWE. Since Y2J lives in Florida, I think he is going to sign with TNA this year...if he isn't injured and he still wants to wrestle and he wants/needs the money/fame. I don't like Goldberg in the ring. I don't think he has great ring skills; Y2J is a very good worker in the ring, when he is in shape; I like Brock in the ring. However, he is a nut case in his personal life...steroids? I have no proof of that, but...steroids? Anyway, in closing, I hope Y2J comes to TNA to work full time like Christian. I'd even take him as a part-timer like Sting... Y2J: Nope, no way no how. he has no need for the money or the exposure. He probably gets more face time in the thirty seconds he appears on Best Week Ever on a weekly basis than he would get for a month's worth of Impact. Goldberg: Swarm said it all, basically. He'd be worth some extra buys and maybe some ratings, but his character really only works if he's allowed to completely destroy everyone on the roster. So it'd be ashort term fix, but a long term mess. Brock: Maybe the most interesting because he's got a good work rate and decent name value, and could probably put on some spectacular matches with the X-Division bunch. (also who gives two shits about steroids? You could argue that a majority of wrestlers today look like they're on the juice and the sport is a work, so why even bring it up?). But with his contract stll very much belonging to WWE as long as he works in the stats, and Vince being exactly the kind of bitter a s s hole that will enforce that no-compete clause unless Brock shells out huge money to buy it out, Brock Lesnar will most likely be working for the E should he ever wrestle in the states agan. All this aside, maybe TNA's problem isn't having enough names, but more the fact that the storylines are repetitive, they can't get over anybody as a heel, and their TV show feels like one of those WWF 80s Superstar things where its nothing but squash matches. TNA should get its s h i t together. |
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Post by Pete on Feb 21, 2006 1:27:11 GMT -5
I hope TNA doesn't bring Goldberg in. They've got their own 'Goldberg' type in Samoa Joe Yeah, he is their version of Goldberg. A really fat version. God forbid a wrestler have the gall not to have a chiseled, juiced-up bodybuilder's physique and instead has actual wrestling ability... Thank goodness Harley Race, Dick Murdoch, and Arn Anderson came along when they did. Today, all 3 of them would have gotten blasted by Internet fans upon first viewing because they were "too fat" or, in Arn's case, "too normal-looking." I'm no TNA fanboy--I only started watching in the past couple of months and I'm not really concerned at all whether they "can compete with WWE" or not--but right now they're blowing Vince out of the water from both an in-ring work standpoint and a booking standpoint. Wrestling-wise, because they actually let guys wrestle the style they're most comfortable with instead of shoehorning them into a neutered "WWE" style, and booking-wise, because I've yet to see a single angle revolving around a heel saying "Eddie Guerrero's in hell." Not that TNA is perfect by any means, but it's a stronger show right now than Smackdown and (especially) Raw. As for the original topic, I could be mistaken but doesn't Jericho live in Florida? If he does, I could easily see him heading out to Orlando 3 times a month for the right price. Personally I think TNA would have been better off forgetting Sting and going after Jericho instead. Goldberg, according to the last issue of the Observer, apparently doesn't want his career to end the way it did with that disaster of a match at WM, so a TNA appearance is a possibility. I tend to agree with Swarm, though, that he really wouldn't accomplish much other than pop a few buyrates. There are only so many things you can do with the guy, but he could be an asset if they use him to put over Joe or Abyss after a careful build-up. Lesnar...well, I saw his last IWGP title match for New Japan against Shinsuke Nakamura, and he looked awful. Maybe it was just ring rust, but he looked completely lost and was blown up after about 5 minutes. The Lesnar of old would be a much better asset for TNA than Goldberg, but a.) there's no guarantee they'd get Lesnar like he was in his prime, and b.) I think he's actually the least likely possibility of the 3 due to his legal issues with WWE. |
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Post by floydthebarber on Feb 21, 2006 22:51:49 GMT -5
So Brock is in rough shape huh? From what I've read, he's been pretty impressive in Japan, but that may be due in large part with the sheer joy that NJPW has in having a guy like Brock on their roster...so news reports out of Japan may be biased.
I still think he's THE 'X-Factor' in the world of wrestling IF his head is on right...but between all the legal stuff, the failed football career, his relationship with Sable and his non existant wrestling schedual I'm getting the feeling that if he isn't careful, he could find himself a non-factor in a few years and crawling back to Vince for his 'old job back' for the $.
Using Goldberg to elevate someone like Joe, Abyss or even Christian in TNA would be a stroke of genius, but would Goldberg ever go for it...nope! Sting v. Goldberg? It would draw fans...but do very little for TNA except give it a 'BIG' match for the history books.
Jericho in TNA would be wild...but even if they gave him what they gave Sting ($500,000 for 1 year) it probably still wouldn't be enough considering his status at Titan Towers. Vince and Co. may not want to admit it, but Jericho is money...
Slow and steady is the way to go for TNA. Christian is the Champ, they've got a nice little roster of heels to try and take him out...they've got a nice thing going with Joe/AJ and the X-Division, and they actually HAVE the shell of a tag division. Now all they have to do is minimize the influence of Triple J and they will have turned a corner.
And what ever happend to Raven?
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Post by Pete on Feb 22, 2006 2:24:11 GMT -5
So Brock is in rough shape huh? From what I've read, he's been pretty impressive in Japan, but that may be due in large part with the sheer joy that NJPW has in having a guy like Brock on their roster...so news reports out of Japan may be biased. Yeah, well, Bob Sapp's a megastar over there, too. Let's not kid ourselves--Japanese fans can be just as dumb and willing to swallow garbage as those here in the States. Agreed, agreed, and agreed. At this point he's practically a 21st century version of the Ultimate Warrior. He's an asset for a company, but how long can you trust him before he wigs out and leaves? Since when has Goldberg ever had a problem doing jobs? "He never lost in WCW!" Well, a.) no kidding, that's how he was booked, and b.) that's not true, as he lost to Nash, Booker, Steiner, and Bagwell all without complaint that I'm aware of. I'd say the decision lies more with Jericho than with Vince. They really need to replace Don West with an announcer who's more knowledgable and pleasing to the ear--Steve McMichael, Larry Nelson, and David Crockett all come to mind. Hopefully the correct answer to that is "Legends 6." |
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Post by Wad on Feb 22, 2006 7:07:29 GMT -5
For the three names mentioned here, only Chris Jericho provides the value that TNA needs.
TNA should not even bother with Goldberg or Brock Lesnar. Those guys may provide added ticket and pay-per-view revenue, but it comes at a high price itself.
Chris Jericho, unlike the other two, spent years paying his dues in the ring and shows an appreciation for the sport. He's a very dependable worker, and could adapt to several different wrestling styles. Plus, TNA fans are more smarkish and would be receptive to him as they were to Christian Cage when he entered.
Goldberg and Brock Lesnar, in contrast, were both made men. WCW kept Goldberg strong with The Streak, and once it was broken, Goldberg didn't have anything else going for him. WCW looked stupid by trying to start new streaks a couple of other times after he had already lost. The magic is gone, people.
Brock Lesnar was WWF/WWE's Goldberg, only fans were warned of his status beforehand that he was "The Next Big Thing." Gee, no element of surprise there. That pretty much destined him to be programmed strong. The other thing was that he was very young to the business, and he didn't have a rough-and-tumble seasoning like Jericho to temper his ego. Lesnar is remembered not only how high up he got in the WWF/WWE and how fast, but how quickly and spectacularly he flamed out -- from The Next Big Thing to getting crapped on in the biggest event of the year in his last match.
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