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Post by swarm on Jan 2, 2006 16:30:00 GMT -5
so let me get this right...after a night full of generic, and predictable brawls following almost all of the matches, and Christian being put on the back-burner for old man sting...the big surprise to close the show is...
Shannon Moore? And he puts the beat down on AJ Styles of all people?
in MY VIEW, this couldn't be a worse sign for TNA...
who writes this crap?
People think I just hate on TNA, but read that back to yourself just once...
Shannon Moore puts the beat down on AJ Styles...
wow...TNA loves the WWE!!!! I'm convinced.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jan 2, 2006 16:39:37 GMT -5
That's as bad as pushing Stunning Steve Austin or that little Canadian jobber Benoit. Seriously...Moore's never been given a push in his career...and this one seems to be his chance, he's getting to work "his" character, against AJ Styles...if it bombs, fine, Moore sucks but TNA found something to do with AJ while they run the Joe-Daniels rematch. If it doesn't, maybe Moore's problems had more to do with crap gimmicks like 3 Count and Matt Hardy's lapdog.
And how has Christian been put on the back burner, exactly? He's co-headlining the next PPV with Sting against Jarrett and Brown, a practice that's pretty standard in TNA, plus he's getting all the camera and mic time, and there's been no indication, period, that it'll be Sting getting the "Jarrett dethroning push" and not Christian.
Personally, I think they're building up what would be a nice Wargames match with Jarrett, Brown, AMW and Abyss vs Sting, Christian, Rhyno and Team 3D.
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Post by swarm on Jan 2, 2006 19:03:13 GMT -5
Tommy, Iike your idea for a WARGAMES match...
I am a Shannon Moore fan, and agree, he was not used right in the "E", but hot-shoting him into a fued with AJ before he even has his first match just gives the same impression the TNA has been giving fans since day 1 "...even the crappiest WWE guys are as good, if not better, than out best guys..."
as for Christian...it makes no sense he would even want to side w/ Sting...old man sting is EXACTLY the type of guy Christian would HATE taking his spot-light...just makes no sense.
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Post by ringsyde on Jan 2, 2006 19:13:16 GMT -5
Nice try, Tommy, but let's not paint the chameleon here. Christian may very well beat Jarrett and win the title, but as far as TNA is concerned, it's what happens between Sting and Jarrett that matters. More specifically, it's what Sting does period that matters.
I also like your Wargames idea, and I see some sort of team match along these lines happening soon.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jan 2, 2006 20:30:15 GMT -5
Well, apparently they won't be hotshotting AJ vs Shannon Moore anyway, as AJ is wrestling Hiroshi Tanahashi at Final Resolution...so unless we're getting another Moore run-in...
As for Sting/TNA, they've used him wisely in the past...which could be more his doing than their doing...I'm interested in seeing how this plays out, myself, before I judge it. Sting's shown a tendency in the recent past to not want all the spotlight...ask Lance Storm, he wrote a great column about.
That said, if Sting doesn't show up at this next batch of Impact tapings, TNA might find the Impact Zone turning on him before Final Resolution if all we're getting is two more weeks of Sting's music and clip-art scorpions threatening Brown and Jarrett. Similarly, if Sting doesn't show up in shape, TNA could find the fans turning on him...that's probably my biggest fear, is that he's going to humiliate himself by being horribly out of shape, and not being on TV before the PPV, combined with debuting in this tag match isn't easing those fears any.
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 3, 2006 0:31:55 GMT -5
Yeah I don't get the Shannon Moore thing either. He's not THAT big of a name where it would make sense to put him against Styles.
As far as Sting, I have no desire to see this guy ever again. He was great but his time has passed. Pushing him and Christian at the same time I don't think is a smart move. I know they really need a big name like Sting to help attract more fans but they should've waited until after this PPV, so you could use Sting as THE build up to the next PPV. (IMO of course)
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Post by pikemojo on Jan 3, 2006 4:43:02 GMT -5
Well lets look at it from a not a smart fan perspective. Shannon Moore wants to make an impact in the X division so he attacks the X division's #1 gun. (besides Samoa Joe right now but who in their right mind would attack him?) So they clearly aren't saying that Moore is better than Styles. He didn't beat him 1 on 1 he just jumped him to make an impression and that is what he did. Not quite enough to warrant a match yet though. They should put him against someone like Dutt or Sabin on the ppv preshow to build him a bit toward where he would deserve a match against AJ.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jan 3, 2006 15:38:05 GMT -5
Yeah...if I were Shannon Moore, I wouldn't attack Samoe Joe with anything shy of an armored tank division...=)
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Post by floydthebarber on Jan 3, 2006 17:28:03 GMT -5
While I do agree with Swarm that from the outside looking in it seems that former WWE guys get 'more' of a push than is usually warented. However, it makes sense only because TNA is trying to build its audience, and WWE guys have a 'name' that can attract fans if only because they are WWE guys. I don't like the practice myself, but anything that gets fans to tune in should be tried. I think him jumping AJ is a bit much, but like someone else said, it gives AJ something to do while Joe/Daniels gets going, and if done right, can help establish Shannon Moore on a level with the other X Division guys like Dutt and Sabin.
Sting is a good signing, and will brings fans. Is he in shape? Will the fans turn on him if he doesn't show up? Probably not. I'd like to see them use the formula that WCW used and keep Sting a mysterious figure who only shows up from time to time, but the spectre of him looming in the shadows forces the other wrestlers to 'stay on their toes'. Be it him or Christian, ANYTHING to get the belt off JJ is a good thing.
Which is why he's going up against AJ. Joe is an unstopable force right now...AJ is still AJ, but an upset over Joe by Shannon has a 0% chance of happening, while an upset over AJ is probably 10-20%. JMO
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Post by swarm on Jan 7, 2006 7:12:48 GMT -5
While I do agree with Swarm that from the outside looking in it seems that former WWE guys get 'more' of a push than is usually warented. However, it makes sense only because TNA is trying to build its audience, and WWE guys have a 'name' that can attract fans if only because they are WWE guys. I don't like the practice myself, but anything that gets fans to tune in should be tried. see, here's the thing...if it were HHH, Kurt Angle, HBK...guys like that jumping to TNA, I could buy this theory...but it's not... outside of CC, it's nobody losers like Jeff "where are my drugs and gay porn videos?" hardy, Rhyno, Gail Kim, Jacki Gayda, and now Shanon Moore... I have news for you...if wrestling fans want to see WWE wrestlers, they are going to watch WWE programming... If I am building an NFL team, do I sign the third stringers from the Patriots because it's the Patriots? or do I try and develope my own young players, while drafting fresh talent? if the show is good, people will watch. period. But it sucks...and TNA knows they suck, so what do they do? sign any and all the WWE nobody's they can get thier Plethador-like hands on, then get that fat announcer to cream himself whenever one of them walks out the chucky cheese entrance thing they have going on... sweet. No Thanks. |
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Post by floydthebarber on Jan 7, 2006 16:51:20 GMT -5
thats cool...
not ALL fans, but I know what your saying. I happen to like Rhino, and Christian...and while Shannon Moore is a minor signing, for the small price of bringing him in for a few shows (or more) you get people talking on the net, and another 'example' of a former WWE guy in TNA. Its to give TNA more credibility, and while some/many will argue that it hurts in credibility (and there is a valid argument to made for this) there are also those 'casual' fans or 'alternative' fans or fans who just want to see something else other than WWE do well who WILL get behind a product like TNA and will tune in, if only for a week, to see Shannon on TNA. Clearly TNA is not the entertainment product that WWE is, and I don't expect to see any major WWE wrestler in TNA in the near future (though I did hear/read somewhere that Edge wanted to go to TNA as well, but is locked into his contract.) but adding talent to a decent roster with a few standouts isn't a BAD thing. It might be to you...
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Post by swarm on Jan 7, 2006 18:51:31 GMT -5
thats cool... not ALL fans, but I know what your saying. I happen to like Rhino, and Christian...and while Shannon Moore is a minor signing, for the small price of bringing him in for a few shows (or more) you get people talking on the net, and another 'example' of a former WWE guy in TNA. Its to give TNA more credibility, and while some/many will argue that it hurts in credibility (and there is a valid argument to made for this) there are also those 'casual' fans or 'alternative' fans or fans who just want to see something else other than WWE do well who WILL get behind a product like TNA and will tune in, if only for a week, to see Shannon on TNA. Clearly TNA is not the entertainment product that WWE is, and I don't expect to see any major WWE wrestler in TNA in the near future (though I did hear/read somewhere that Edge wanted to go to TNA as well, but is locked into his contract.) but adding talent to a decent roster with a few standouts isn't a BAD thing. It might be to you... adding talent is not a bad thing...but when the fat announcer creams his pants like Rhino, Gail Kim, and Shannon Moore are the second coming, that's when I have a problem with it. He comes off like a used car salesman trying to sell me a 88 yugo and telling me it's the greatest car in the world... |
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Post by Big Bri on Jan 8, 2006 13:16:40 GMT -5
adding talent is not a bad thing...but when the fat announcer creams his pants like Rhino, Gail Kim, and Shannon Moore are the second coming, that's when I have a problem with it. He comes off like a used car salesman trying to sell me a 88 yugo and telling me it's the greatest car in the world... So what would you like him to say? "Look, it's another WWE sloppy second, and we've got him!!!" Don West annoys me too, but he's just trying to sell the product and generate some interest. |
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Post by swarm on Jan 8, 2006 14:19:45 GMT -5
adding talent is not a bad thing...but when the fat announcer creams his pants like Rhino, Gail Kim, and Shannon Moore are the second coming, that's when I have a problem with it. He comes off like a used car salesman trying to sell me a 88 yugo and telling me it's the greatest car in the world... So what would you like him to say? "Look, it's another WWE sloppy second, and we've got him!!!" Don West annoys me too, but he's just trying to sell the product and generate some interest. I don't care what he does but if I did I would like to see him push existing talent... say something along the lines of how the current TNA roster won't take the debut of these ex-WWE, and WCW guys lying down...how they won't give up thier titles, and spots without one helluva fight... instead he and cryptkeeper Mike Tenay go an entire show, full of TNA wrestlers like AJ Styles, Daniels, Team Canada and others, without showing the same excitement they do at the end when (insert any former WWE loser) comes out and attacks his TNA guys... it's bush-league and it's stupid. |
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Post by Big Bri on Jan 8, 2006 19:16:28 GMT -5
say something along the lines of how the current TNA roster won't take the debut of these ex-WWE, and WCW guys lying down...how they won't give up thier titles, and spots without one helluva fight... That's a cool storyline idea but West and Tenay are just like any other announce team, being that they're being fed a majority of what they say by the highers-up. IMO, West and Shane Douglas should switch roles. I don't think Douglas would be a GREAT color commentator, but he'd be a lot better than West. I thought the WCW New Blood concept was going to be an awesome thing if they actually allowed the New Blood to get over on the Millionaire's Club, but Hogan and Co. would never allow it to happen. If TNA tried this "Homeboys vs. Former Big Timers" thing, it just might work. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jan 8, 2006 22:26:46 GMT -5
They did a nice little bit on Impact with Aries, Strong and Shelley and just this kinda thing...and Samoa Joe's "reaction" to the Sting signing.
Heck, Aries and Joe *can* talk. Now I see why the X Division doesn't get to use the mic...because then they'd trump the main eventers all the way around...=)
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Post by pikemojo on Jan 9, 2006 0:16:13 GMT -5
Well honestly Aries and Joe could very well be main eventers in TNA in the not too distant future. Both were very good and very well respected ROH World champs. Joe's match against Kenta Kobashi is considered to be a match of the year candidate for sure. If TNA is smart they will take advantage of having such great talent. Big or small should not matter a ton if they have all the other skills. Granted you wouldn't want some tiny guy as champ but neither Joe or Aries is what I would call tiny. And why in the world haven't they pushed Abyss more toward the world title. It is about time he quit obeying Jeff Jarrett and that crew.
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Post by soug on Jan 9, 2006 1:44:34 GMT -5
we dont get TNA in Australia. But getting excited about Shannon Moore?! Geez!! I'm glad we dont get it !  |
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Post by Wad on Jan 10, 2006 3:44:23 GMT -5
we dont get TNA in Australia. But getting excited about Shannon Moore?! Geez!! I'm glad we dont get it ! Aww, come on. Don't be down on him so much. Moore, much like Christian, is in a position where he could be a bigger name than he has ever been before. You might have seen a little of him in WCW's 3Count, and he and Shane (now Gregory) Helms had very interesting matches and got great heat for their Meaty Cheesy Boys boy band gimmick. He was in the WWE, but he was just ... there. He was mostly a JTTS. While TNA getting excited about Moore may seem ridiculous, this may be Moore's chance to really shine. He's going after AJ Styles, and he's updated his punker look to resemble Mad Jester a bit. |
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Post by soug on Jan 10, 2006 17:22:12 GMT -5
we dont get TNA in Australia. But getting excited about Shannon Moore?! Geez!! I'm glad we dont get it ! Aww, come on. Don't be down on him so much. Moore, much like Christian, is in a position where he could be a bigger name than he has ever been before. You might have seen a little of him in WCW's 3Count, and he and Shane (now Gregory) Helms had very interesting matches and got great heat for their Meaty Cheesy Boys boy band gimmick. He was in the WWE, but he was just ... there. He was mostly a JTTS. While TNA getting excited about Moore may seem ridiculous, this may be Moore's chance to really shine. He's going after AJ Styles, and he's updated his punker look to resemble Mad Jester a bit. yeah, ive seen him before. just seemed like a little kid amoungst men. sure he was good at the high flying stuff....i just dont see him as " top shelf". but hey...its wrestling....you never know?! |
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