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Post by thefamoustommyz on Dec 4, 2005 19:08:25 GMT -5
This is not trolling...this is a serious question. If you didn't watch Impact last night, watch it Monday.
The fans didn't boo Jarrett violently...THEY CHANTED BORING...AT THE WORLD CHAMPION.
How can anyone POSSIBLY say he should be World Heavyweight champion when HE'S THE ONLY GUY IN THE COMPANY THAT GETS A BORING CHANT?!?!
Christian interrupts, to a huge reaction, and then what happens?
Jarrett gets on the stick to another BORING chant.
SERIOUSLY.
JEEZ.
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Post by Swarm banned not really on Dec 4, 2005 19:33:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure anybody really does support JJ...
it's just that since TNA fucked up by not putting Christopher Daniels in the top heel spot, and AJ in the top face spot, they basically screwed themselves and are left with no choice but to keep the belt on Jarrett...
and get used to it...
because no casual fan is ever going to buy a WWE loser like Rhyno or Christian as the champ...it just can't work...
you see a guy like Christian with the belt and the casual fan goes "...this guy totally sucked in the WWE...but he's the champion here?..." and there goes the credibility of the entire TNA roster.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure CC will get the belt, but JJ will win it back...
in fact, I think it's safe to say that when spike drops TNA and they fade away into obscurity, Vince buys up all the TNA little guys and throwing them on Velocity, JJ will still be the champion.
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Post by tafkaga on Dec 4, 2005 21:19:06 GMT -5
Whoa who was that last poster? Just another one of those guests I guess... darn anonymous posters, wish they'd just register.
I think you have some good points Tommy, the only thing I would point out is that this is the Impact Zone. The fans there don't allow themselves to enjoy the show... they try to hard to BE the show. I think that they chant just to be making noise and many times they don't have any qualms about chanting something that has nothing to do with anything going on. It's like an ECW crowd, only they're full of the mentally handicapped.
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Post by Omen on Dec 4, 2005 22:01:28 GMT -5
THEY NEED TO TAKE THE SHOW ON THE ROAD.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Dec 4, 2005 23:04:54 GMT -5
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I have rarely, if ever, heard them chant something that wasn't related to what was going on...
"Boring" during a Jarrett promo doesn't sound like some kind of major disconnect.
"We Want Ham" on the other hand, would sound like a disconnect.
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Post by tafkaga on Dec 4, 2005 23:45:19 GMT -5
I don't remember some of the things they've chanted Tommy, but I know that they have chanted things similar to "we want ham" before. My only point with the "boring" thing was that it might not have been disconnected in the sense that "we want ham" is, but at the same time I don't take it that seriously because of the fact that the Impact Zone crowd has always tried to ham it up. I've heard them chant "Let's go Jarrett" before when he was wrestling a face. Generally I just think that the TNA crowd will chant for or against anyone sort of randomly... they've always been very inconsistent in the way they've received different wrestlers.
Granted you saw the show and I didn't... I'll have a better idea once I watched it. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just throwing this out there for consideration.
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Post by pikemojo on Dec 5, 2005 3:07:40 GMT -5
I really don't like the TNA crowd. It is almost as bad as the PWG crowds. I get really sick of constant chants. It is like an ECW show but worse. I agree with tafkaga on this one. What the crowd chants in TNA doesn't matter really.
In my eyes Jarrett is to TNA what HHH is to WWE. The difference is HHH hasn't been near the title in quite a while and Jarrett has been as close to it as possible for as long as I can remember. I don't think it is a stretch to see Jarrett as champ especially after his WCW run but it gets old and very obvious that he is exerting his stroke. I don't hate Jarrett like some do though.
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Post by lordrahl on Dec 5, 2005 3:14:47 GMT -5
If it wasn't for the fact that Jeff's dad owned TNA he wouldn't be champion. I don't think they were chanting boring (the Impact Zone) just to be heard, as tafkaga seems to think. He is boring and stale, and has been before he was "the chosen one" in WCW. The biggest problem with TNA is they have no one to hang the World title on, so Jeff Jarret gets it. They' ve tried AJ and it didn't work, they tried Raven (mark!) and sad to say Raven went nuts and sliced people up with razor blades. If you put the title on Christian Cage you better turn him heel quick and let him be the person we all love to hate, instead of this TNA "savior" from the WWE to turn the company around. Other than that give the title back to Ron Killings who I personally thought was the best champion they've had in TNA.
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Post by tafkaga on Dec 5, 2005 5:21:27 GMT -5
I agree with you LordRahl in everything you said after your second sentence. Jarrett is boring and stale...and one could argue that he should not be wearing the title, but that provokes further discussion... if not Jarrett, then who? Jarrett is the ONLY heel in TNA that really has any heat. After that... you've got a bunch of faces or guys that are inconsistent in either direction. When you talk about the heavyweight division, what you've got is a bunch of guys who are floating around out there with no identities.
Monty Brown... pushed as a face for a while... now he's working with Christian and is being received as a heel. No identity.
Raven... has been pushed as a heel, now is seemingly more of an anti-hero working against Zbysko... no identity.
Jeff Hardy ... midcarder at best, is over with teenage girls and some teenage boys, but is otherwise generally not well liked. No identity.
Abyss ... a tweener who is still cheered despite the fact that James Mitchell, a heel, is his manager. No identity.
Rhino ... is cheered but only if he's in there with someone like Jarrett, otherwise the crowd may very well cheer his opponent. No identity.
Christian ... the new kid on the block being received like TNA's savior ... starting a boring and predictable climb to the top of the division. I agree with you...Christian needs to go heel or he's just going to be another guy who keeps the belt warm for Jarrett's 438th title reign.
TNA suffers big time from a lack of guys in the heavyweight division who are really over. They're pushed too inconsistently which makes it confusing as to what their identity is... and on top of that, the idiotic Impact Zone crowd just chants stuff to be making noise.
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Post by JED-SE on Dec 5, 2005 8:12:31 GMT -5
The reason Jarrett keeps getting the belt is because he is the most established wrestler there today. True, his dad ownes the company, but if his dad didn't, do you think they wouldn't him make him a multi time champ with that roster? Not to say the roster is bad, but the roster has not established itself. I think A.J. and Samoa Joe are on their way there. Jarrett is the only man on the active roster that has won the WCW title more than once and for more than one day. (at least 2 of those reigns were befor David Arquette's reign) As far as Christian goes, plain and simple, he left WWE. His career at the end was not great, but to say he "totally sucked in WWE" is just plain wrong.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Dec 5, 2005 10:02:09 GMT -5
And my point is that Jarrett is the only guy on the roster who is getting boring chants...the only one. Not even Simon Diamond is getting boring chants. Thus, he has no heat.
The TV ratings have proven that Jarrett isn't a bigger draw than anyone else. His "Best of Jarrett" DVD will prove that he's not a merchandise seller either...so, in answer to the question of "Who?" I say "Pick someone, virtually anyone, and run with them."
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Post by Vidtek on Dec 5, 2005 10:30:10 GMT -5
Well, maybe the boring chants are like Angle's constant "You Suck" chants? Ah who am I kidding, I was with the crowd when they where chanting "We want Wrestling." Jarrett sucks, but hey, at least when he does loose the title everyone will be happy. Now if we could just keep it off him...
Big TIme
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Post by hawk on Dec 5, 2005 12:14:14 GMT -5
The boring chant on Jeff was HEEELARIOUS. Easily one of the funniest things I've heard in wrestling in years. It wasn't just they were sick of him talking, they were sick of his storyline, the feud with Tenay (Which has been going on since the freaking weekly PPV's), and just...sick of HIM. When he started to rebuttle Christian, not even four words in, they were trying to drown him out. That's comedy gold.
I like TNA, but right now the title situation is pretty damned weak if you ask me. I mean, Christian is supposed tobe against Monty at the PPV, so why the hell didn't Monty attack him instead of Bobby? If anything, thats sending a message to the fans on who to care about. The storyline with Jeff, is something I am PRAYING doesn't involve the sexual part most people think it does. If it's about the valet spot, okay...but everyone whose a TNA fan knows that Jackie is freaking married to Charlie Haas.
That said, the highlight of Impact was Abyss overcoming his fear of Barbwire. That was awesome.
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Post by tafkaga on Dec 5, 2005 13:00:27 GMT -5
I just watched Impact last night. I'm sad to say that I think it was a pretty awful show. There were only two bright spots to that show...the first was seeing Bobby Heenan in the opening... the other was Larry Zbysko, who's always great.
I saw the Jarrett segment but I am not really sure right now if the crowd was chanting "boring" because they just didn't care about it or if it was more like the "you suck" chant as Adamsmasher suggested. I think that it was probably a mixture of the two.
My personal feelings were that this segment greatly sucked, just like just about every other segment on this show. The whole thing did not make any sense. Jarrett comes out... then Christian comes out to do the verbal spar with him... they're already setting up next month's PPV and basically giving away the results of the one this Sunday where Jarrett will retain the title against Rhino and Christian will beat Monty Brown. Why didn't Rhino at least come out and fight with Jarrett? I'm starting to get a little sick of Christian already, which is not a good thing. The whole scene with Jackie was incredibly predictable and just as the crowd was saying.... boring. As a fan I don't care about a Jarrett love triangle with two former WWE divas. I don't care about a Jarrett/Tenay feud or even a Jarrett/Christian feud. The whole thing screams "boring" at me.
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I just retrieved this poll from tnawrestling.com... seems kind of revealing to me.
Match I Want To See Most At “Turning Point”:
Barbed Wire: Sabu vs. Abyss: 34%
Christian Cage vs. The Alpha Male: 28%
AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe: 23%
Tables: Team 3D vs. AMW: 10%
Jeff Jarrett vs. Rhino: 5%
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Post by pikemojo on Dec 5, 2005 14:16:24 GMT -5
My point was not whether or not Jarrett deserved that chant or wheher people are sick of Jarrett or not. My point was that the TNA crowd chants just to chant alot of the time. Listen when Abyss comes out. They chant something that I can't understand when they should be viewing him as a monster heel. A Kane type of character. TNA should also do something to further this instead of making him afraid of barbed wire.
The TNA crowd is annoying and the TNA bookers don't really know where they are going with the characters or the company.
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Post by hawk on Dec 5, 2005 16:09:16 GMT -5
They chant "AH-BYSS-OOO-LE-OOO"
I have no idea why.
Impact wasn't good, and it wasn't awful last Saturday. It was "there",which is pretty scary when they've struggled recently.
I'm seriously starting to think Jeff IS head booker again, and thats a very freightening thought. WHY was Heenan there? I mean...No offense to one of the greatest announcers, and managers ever, but I could barely understand him, and it didn't help that all Shane fuggin said was "wow". Atleast restate the damned angles *ONCE*
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Post by JED-SE on Dec 5, 2005 18:51:57 GMT -5
I'm seriously starting to think Jeff IS head booker again, and thats a very freightening thought. WHY was Heenan there? I mean...No offense to one of the greatest announcers, and managers ever, but I could barely understand him, Um... you know Hennan had throat cancer right? That's probably why it was so hard to understand! |
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Post by Vidtek on Dec 6, 2005 11:06:38 GMT -5
Match I Want To See Most At “Turning Point”: Barbed Wire: Sabu vs. ABYSS: 34% That's the reason I'm buying. Jarrett v Rhino is nice and all, and Joe killing AJ will be fun to see, but THIS is my kind of match! OOOO--A-BYSS! Big Time |
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Post by hawk on Dec 6, 2005 16:40:25 GMT -5
I know, but that was my point. It's TNA's job to make sure we know why he's there. Just have Shane Douglas repeat the damned thing, like "Bobby the Brain Heenan here to see the awesome action of Implact! wow!"
It's not that hard really.
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Post by tafkaga on Dec 6, 2005 17:33:46 GMT -5
I could understand Heenan all except for the very last thing he said. In fact it kind of surprised me that I could understand him so well since I thought that his speech was more damaged than it was. But still even though I could understand what he was saying, I couldn't understand the reason he was there. It had something to do with the White Sox is all I understood. Mike Tenay actually DID state the whole White Sox thing a few minutes later saying that they were going to celebrate the White Sox win... but even after he explained it I STILL don't know what the hell they're talking about or why they're going to do it on Impact.
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