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Post by JimSteel on Jan 5, 2005 19:22:57 GMT -5
In breaking news, it seems that Abyss is done with NWA-TNA. The wrestler's contract expired without a renewal deal, and there was reportedly a big blow-up at yesterday's show, with the company rewriting booking for the Impact tapings.
Abyss said something about receiving a WWE offer and although we cannot confirm the story, it certainly seems likely based on his size.
There remains a good chance that other wrestlers will end up leaving the promotion as well. Johnny Swinger reportedly asked for his release, although Jeff Jarrett has been refusing to allow contracted wrestlers to leave. The Amazing Red and Sonjay Dutt are also nearing the end of their contracts
MY COMMENTS
Abyss could be the next Kane in the WWE. He has the same look and size and has some talent
The WWE is looking for some new cruiserweights and Amazing Red+Sonjay Dutt would both fill the bill perfectly
Problem being Vince would waste them both
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jan 5, 2005 20:38:24 GMT -5
It has been said that Red is unhappy but that Dutt doesn't plan on going anywhere.
Either way, Abyss is a HUGE loss as far as I'm concerned. He and Petey Williams had become the main reasons I watch TNA.
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Post by Joe on Jan 5, 2005 20:38:36 GMT -5
While I agree that there could be more focus on the cruiserweights in WWE, I do not see what Amazing Red and Sonjay Dutt can really bring to the table. Red can be entertaining at times, but I stongly believe that he is far less wrestler and much closer to an acrobat. Sonjay Dutt, while athletically gifted, wrestles every match (that I have seen, anyway) at 120 mph. There is no 'down time' so it is very hard to really get into or keep up with his matches. It is sort of like watching a comedy that is nonstop jokes.
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Post by gamtime247 on Jan 6, 2005 10:13:52 GMT -5
Does anyone know his height and weight? He does look like a monster in TNA but there biggest guy to stack up against him is Monty Brown. If Abyss did come to the WWE and was up against Kane, Taker, Snisky, Heidenrich, and even Batista he may end up looking a little smaller than these guys. The WWE tends to stray away from pushing other feds big men if they don't stack up well to the WWE's own monsters. Pretty much what they did with Mike Awesome.
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Post by chrismystery on Jan 6, 2005 16:01:19 GMT -5
Does anyone know his height and weight? He does look like a monster in TNA but there biggest guy to stack up against him is Monty Brown. If Abyss did come to the WWE and was up against Kane, Taker, Snisky, Heidenrich, and even Batista he may end up looking a little smaller than these guys. The WWE tends to stray away from pushing other feds big men if they don't stack up well to the WWE's own monsters. Pretty much what they did with Mike Awesome. I like Abyss and I was a bigger Mike Awesome fan. But, compared to the freaks that they have at WWE (as boring as it might be), Abyss isn't even one of the biggest. That would take away basically his only advantage. So, I doubt he would be of any use int he WWE. If they can screw up Golberg (Spear, Jackhammer, Pin) then the Abyss doesn't stand a chance. |
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Post by Joe on Jan 6, 2005 18:41:16 GMT -5
"Spear, Jackhammer, PIN" was going to run its course without the help of the McMahons. In a year where WM was headlined by legit wrestlers like Eddie Guererro, Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, and Triple H, how long was Goldberg going to last?
For all the hype surrounding Goldberg's debut in WWE following WM XIX, Goldberg had lost significant steam during his final days in WCW. The guy had no charisma and no wrestling ability. Once "The Streak" was snapped, Goldberg had no gimmick. The only way to keep his momentum was to keep his winning streak intact, and well, everybody has to lose at some point.
Goldberg never showed any desire to improve himself or add anything to his repertoire. The only person that screwed up Bill Goldberg was Goldberg, himself.
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Post by chrismystery on Jan 7, 2005 10:07:25 GMT -5
"Spear, Jackhammer, PIN" was going to run its course without the help of the McMahons. In a year where WM was headlined by legit wrestlers like Eddie Guererro, Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, and Triple H, how long was Goldberg going to last? For all the hype surrounding Goldberg's debut in WWE following WM XIX, Goldberg had lost significant steam during his final days in WCW. The guy had no charisma and no wrestling ability. Once "The Streak" was snapped, Goldberg had no gimmick. The only way to keep his momentum was to keep his winning streak intact, and well, everybody has to lose at some point. Goldberg never showed any desire to improve himself or add anything to his repertoire. The only person that screwed up Bill Goldberg was Goldberg, himself. My point was more about the WWE sucking not about Goldberg being good. He had a simple gimmick. Let him pin Matt Hardy and Al Snow for 52 weeks in a row. It isn't that hard to start a streak and then keep it going. Hang on. I have a hard time defending Goldberg. But, just to play the devil's advocate, the WWE had their chance when he showed up to at least start another streak. They didn't (so why even hire him?). We all know that Vince has a hard time putting over people that he didn't "create". I tuned in for 2 or 3 weeks when they got Goldberg. I saw that it was going to end badly and then I went back to not watching WWE. I did watch the snore fest between him and Lesnar at Wrestlemania(?). Two people with no moves passing time until (Spear, Jackhammer, Pin) or whatever Brock did before his F5. Pitiful. Goldberg only looked good when the other guy could wrestle. |
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Post by Joe on Jan 7, 2005 21:49:43 GMT -5
My point was more about the WWE sucking not about Goldberg being good. He had a simple gimmick. Let him pin Matt Hardy and Al Snow for 52 weeks in a row. It isn't that hard to start a streak and then keep it going. Hang on. I have a hard time defending Goldberg. But, just to play the devil's advocate, the WWE had their chance when he showed up to at least start another streak. They didn't (so why even hire him?). We all know that Vince has a hard time putting over people that he didn't "create". I tuned in for 2 or 3 weeks when they got Goldberg. I saw that it was going to end badly and then I went back to not watching WWE. I did watch the snore fest between him and Lesnar at Wrestlemania(?). Two people with no moves passing time until (Spear, Jackhammer, Pin) or whatever Brock did before his F5. Pitiful. Goldberg only looked good when the other guy could wrestle. That's why I think that it would have been hard to sell Goldberg with the streak all over again. He came into WCW right after the human shopping spree that led to the organization having a massive mid-card and undercard roster. One of the reasons Goldberg was allowed to run his streak to 173-0, give or take a few wins, was the amount of bottome-of-the-card guys they could feed him. WWE didn' t have that many people on their roster, including stars, to make him interesting with another streak. From all reports, Goldberg wanted nothing but a 1 year deal. That means if he walks after a year and they feed him all their big time guys, the company has no credibility when he bounces. If they feed him nothing but bums for a year, everyone gets bored. Bringing Goldberg in was not going to work, period. He debuted in WWE by feuding with the Rock, and it was still boring. If Rock can't make a feud at least partially entertaining, you know things are going bad. |
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Post by josharpie99 on Jan 31, 2005 0:55:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but I'll never forget Nitro in 1998 when Goldberg pinned Hogan. The crowd was HOT HOT HOT for that. It was a great wrestling memory. Sadly, WCW had Goldberg drop the title due to a stun gun. Horrible.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jan 31, 2005 19:40:53 GMT -5
the crowd was so hot that they hiccuped, simultaneously, his "Goldberg" chant.
OH WAIT...that was the audio on the piped in chant screwing up.
As a die-hard WCW fan, 1998 was the beginning of the end for me: I hated Goldberg, and I hated Sting joining the nWo Wolf-Pac. After he joined, I saw one good episode of Nitro, and it was oddly the only one in which the Wolf-Pac didn't look like total goofs, the night they dismantled nWo Hollywood (during the Sting-Bret feud).
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Post by Big Bri on Feb 1, 2005 1:39:48 GMT -5
Piped in or not, that was one night where WCW did everything right creatively. I remember Goldberg mounting the buckle with the belt in his hand. It was pretty cool.
My take on the Wolfpack is this. One day, Kevin Nash notices that DX is hot in the WWF, so he says "Hey, I wanna do that too!" It could've worked, but Nash & Konnan were the only ones who truly fit into the theme of the group. Sting, Luger, and Savage were out of place there.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Feb 1, 2005 19:08:05 GMT -5
And I remember that being only the second time I couldn't stomach the end of Nitro (the first being when Sting joined the Wolf-Pac).
One man's Chris Benoit is another man's Shockmaster.
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