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Post by Cory Olson on Jun 9, 2007 20:47:57 GMT -5
You're probably right, Travis, since that's more your "territory".  I read about the Garvin-Andre thing on Kayfabe Memories one time and I'm 95% sure I saw on the ICW forum. But I could be wrong. In the little bit of ICW footage we have, I seem to recall in the opening to their show seeing Andre in there somewhere, so perhaps Vince lent him out to ICW even though they were "outlaws". I'll see if I can find the Kayfabe thread about the Garvin-Andre match. |
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Post by captainmarvel on Jun 9, 2007 20:54:12 GMT -5
Look, if Andre didn't like you or felt you were worthy he could smoke anybody. that being said I think El Canek would be a fine addition to LOW. We know Andre's out, So we might as well quit talking about him. Hey, any Idea's who the USA wrestlers might be?
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Post by scarface on Jun 9, 2007 20:59:35 GMT -5
Look, if Andre didn't like you or felt you were worthy he could smoke anybody. that being said I think El Canek would be a fine addition to LOW. We know Andre's out, So we might as well quit talking about him. Hey, any Idea's who the USA wrestlers might be? I'd like to see a Dick The Bruiser and Ernie Ladd dont know what the possibilities of that are though |
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Post by Pete on Jun 9, 2007 23:25:19 GMT -5
Look, if Andre didn't like you or felt you were worthy he could smoke anybody. Akira Maeda would disagree with that statement. IIRC the Knoxville match was actually a handicap match...with *Garvin* being handicapped. The angle was the local babyface (I forget who) getting to name any partner for the bout, and he picked Andre...who ended up doing the job. |
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Post by Cory Olson on Jun 9, 2007 23:32:48 GMT -5
Andre vs. Garvin HistoryHere's the thread on Kayfabe Memories I was thinking of. It did take place in the Knoxville territory, but the thread was on the ICW forum. And Pete's right about Maeda. Bad News Brown also stood up to Andre in the '80s during a Japan tour.
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Post by pikemojo on Jun 10, 2007 0:44:28 GMT -5
I wonder if Warren Bockwinkel would be a possibility at some point. I remember that Nick Bockwinkel really liked his card art so he would probably be pretty likely to let his father in the game, you would think.
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Post by Mark 138 on Jun 10, 2007 0:56:29 GMT -5
Look, if Andre didn't like you or felt you were worthy he could smoke anybody. Akira Maeda would disagree with that statement. B.S. Maeda was a cheap-shot artist, reknowned for taking liberties when the opponent was exposed, but never wanting to really fight an opponent who knew what was coming. I've seen that alleged "triumph" by Maeda about a dozen times. Excluding the fact that Andre's health had deteriorated to the point that he could barely walk at the time, he still could've strangled that pr!ck to death if he would've gotten close. This wanna-be tough guy decided not to do business and instead shoot kick Andre in the legs time and time again, so Andre went to the mat and challenged him to get close. The coward wouldn't. Andre in his prime, a large man who could actually still walk and move well, would've done a whole lot more damage than the immobile 500-pounder crippled by a diseaze that ended up taking his life. I'm so sick of the myth of the "Japanese shooters" like that punk that it makes me want to puke. In a real fight, most of them wilt like a flower in the desert sun. But give them a guy who doesn't know what's coming and they look like real tough guys. |
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Post by stephenvegas on Jun 10, 2007 1:18:46 GMT -5
If the German representative in Legends International indeed turns out to be Baron Von Raschke then we can replay that classic match from 1984 in which the Road Warriors won the AWA Tag Team championship from The Crusher and Baron Von Raschke right here in Las Vegas, NV. That match, which took place at the Showboat (demolished last year), is on the first disc of the Road Warriors DVD set that came out about two years ago.
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Post by Pete on Jun 10, 2007 1:50:09 GMT -5
B.S. Maeda was a cheap-shot artist, reknowned for taking liberties when the opponent was exposed, but never wanting to really fight an opponent who knew what was coming. I agree, for the most part. What he did to Choshu was ridiculous. Andre was gassing out and had absolutely no clue how to defend against Maeda's kicks. Had Inoki not stopped it, Andre was going to get hurt really, really badly. The thing of it is that ANDRE STARTED IT, and he did it under Inoki's orders. Watch the thing again (if you can sit through the whole thing, considering how boring as f*** it is)...first off, he comes to the ring sloshed off his ass, which is needless to say not particularly professional or safe. Then he just stops selling a la Brody/Luger in Florida. Then he refuses to even lock up with Maeda. Then, after a few minutes, he starts gouging at Maeda's eyes. At some point Maeda says "screw this" and goes from working to shooting, but even as he's chopping Andre down, he's looking to Inoki for permission to "finish him off" so to speak. When Andre was merely being uncooperative as opposed to outright attacking him, Maeda was trying to salvage the match somehow. When Andre tried to outright "throw" the match, Maeda backed off...because that wasn't the planned finish. Maeda was quite often a pr**k and a coward, but he was 100% completely in the right here. Inoki, like many others, believed in the Myth of Andre, even a walking cripple Andre, and he sent him out to teach Maeda a lesson. To say it didn't work out that way would be a dramatic understatement. He was actually daring him to pin him, either because he couldn't take any more or he was trying to sucker him in. Or because he just plain couldn't stand. Andre being reduced to playing the Ric Flair "beg off and get in a cheap shot" card isn't exactly a sterling indicator of his invincibility. No doubt Andre was past it. Maybe a guy that far past his physical prime would have been better off not trying to pick a fight/double-cross/shoot with/whatever you want to call it with a hungry guy who *was* in his prime. Maeda didn't know that Andre was going to stop cooperating, go after his eyes, and at best sabotage the match and at worst try to maim him. Couldn't have seen that coming. He ended up looking like a tough guy anyway. Now then, who's got contact info for Maeda? |
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Post by toasterboy on Jun 10, 2007 2:09:36 GMT -5
I'd love to see some sort of commissioner card wind up in LOW eventually. Just putting that out there. |
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Post by Shon Maxx on Jun 10, 2007 2:31:06 GMT -5
Piledrivers and Figure Fours repeating themselves don't really bother me. It's just that, and it may be just me, but the claw has become known as Kowalski's move. Then again, that could be a good way to start a Baron/Kowalski feud. Claw vs. Claw with Kowalski eventually changing it to the face-clam slam or stomach-claw slam. The Gomez angle is interesting, and other then a Lucha Konnan card, Gomez is really the only Mexican I'm interested in.
Take care,
Jay
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Post by Mark 138 on Jun 10, 2007 7:46:36 GMT -5
Pete,
Andre being drunk in the ring wasn't an anamoly. It was pretty much the norm, especially at the end when he needed it to numb the intense pain. There are a lot of myths surrounding that match, and a lot of the "facts" are merely conjecture, rumor, or outright storytelling. Was he asked beforehand to go in and get rough with Maeda? I'm not sure anyone has the definitive answer. Andre can't tell, Maeda couldn't know for sure, and Inoki has a history of fabricating a good story. The thing is, the guy (Maeda) was using that stiff crap of his and Andre got frustrated. Yes, he did over estimate his abilities at that point in his life, and he did get essentially chopped down. Maeda is one of those guys who is real good at looking like he's not doing anything or trying to do the right thing though, even while he's taking cheap shots. That's the whole "trying to salvage the match" part.
Akira Maeda is one of a very short list of guys I personally would not use if cards were made (a list of two or three). I just don't like him. Also, as you can tell, I HATE the "worked shoot" garbage he popularized with his UWF promotion, and I have no use for Japanese "strong style" where it translates to guys hitting each other real hard in a worked match. There are a lot of ring artists over there, but when they start pounding on each other in some sort of sick, sado-masochistic display I lose interest. To me, you're either fighting or you're wokring a match and there is no in-between.
Back to the business at hand. I think the German is most likely Baron or Fritz Von Goering. Could be the Von Brauners. Canada could be so many people it's ridiculous, so I won't even guess. From Mexico I'm hoping for Dos Caras to team with Mil. Blue Demon would be awesome. El Santo is a huge longshot. I think his son is in charge of his legacy, and I hear he's gotten tough to deal with lately.
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Post by captainmarvel on Jun 10, 2007 8:28:43 GMT -5
From an international standpoint the American I'd like to see is Stan "the Lariet" Hansen. He and Brody used to steamroll Japan. In keeping with the theme of the set he would fit great!
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Post by Subvert69 on Jun 10, 2007 11:01:45 GMT -5
I would love for the Japanese card to be Muta but I'm not sure if he owns the gimmick or what would happen here.
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Post by smathis on Jun 10, 2007 11:25:14 GMT -5
I'd love to see some sort of commissioner card wind up in LOW eventually. Just putting that out there. I could go for a Sam Muchnick card. That would be awesome. Or an official print of the Chairman Filsinger bootleg. I've been having a lot of fun with that one. |
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Post by wildcat on Jun 10, 2007 13:02:51 GMT -5
My guess is............
Canada - Angelo 'King Kong" Mosca
Germany - Baron Von Raschke
Mexico - Dos Caras
Japan - Jumbo Trusruta & Tatsumi Fuginami
France - Andre The Giant ; one of the big surprises
I can't wait should be awesome.............
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Post by Cory Olson on Jun 10, 2007 13:05:14 GMT -5
You mean Dos Caras? Sorry, Kevin, just had to pick on you. For me being a Spanish teacher, "Dos Mascaras" just sounds funny. |
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Post by toasterboy on Jun 10, 2007 14:03:37 GMT -5
Since I run an sort of "Early Days of the WWF" only fed I'd L O V E Andre! That would be so awesome.
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Post by pikemojo on Jun 10, 2007 14:08:21 GMT -5
I would love for the Japanese card to be Muta but I'm not sure if he owns the gimmick or what would happen here. I am pretty sure that Mutoh does own that gimmick. Johnny Stamboli used the gimmick in AJPW while Mutoh was running it. |
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Post by Cory Olson on Jun 10, 2007 14:15:55 GMT -5
New Japan did attempt to make a "New" Great Muta a few years back after Muto left for All Japan. But as happens to many "rerun" gimmicks, it didn't last. Since then Muto has done the Muta gimmick himself, so he must have right to the gimmick.
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I read about the Garvin-Andre thing on Kayfabe Memories one time and I'm 95% sure I saw on the ICW forum. But I could be wrong. In the little bit of ICW footage we have, I seem to recall in the opening to their show seeing Andre in there somewhere, so perhaps Vince lent him out to ICW even though they were "outlaws". 
