Conversions

[Eliath]

Is there a formula that you devised to convert the wrestlers into mma fighters? Would you share your thoughts on the conversion process?

I will be converting (or attempting to) my entire federation roster & wanted to ask before I began the process.

Thanks

[Trent Lawless]

Well, when Turkish and I discussed this stuff, we basically went off of what the wrestling card's moves are. If there are a fair number of punches and kicks, they might be better strikers and/or clinchers. If they're more mat wrestling-oriented, then they'd be better at grappling. That works for both offense and defense. Chart ratings are based accordingly also (better power ratings means more As, worse power ratings means more Cs). KO and SUB numbers are slightly more flexible, but not much, and only the absolute best are 2s in either.

I can tell you that the top guys in each type will be no more than +3 on offense or no less than -2 on defense (I don't believe there are any -3 defensive ratings, at least).

Incorporate some moves from their wrestling cards onto the MMA cards at appropriate levels, give them a way to get to the chart for each level, boldface any submission moves, and you should be good to go on offense. Defensively everyone gets a turnaround at every level, and only the best get two at any level. Likewise the upper guys would get the "1/2" "1/3" or "2/3" distinction.

I think that covers it fairly extensively. Turkish, anything else?

[Darth Turkish]

All right off the top of my head:

Good strikers are going to have more elaborate combinations and flashier attacks than poor strikers. Great strikers and good clinchers or clinchers that are stronger strikers are are going to have more attackes that will break apart the clinch (and send the fight to L1O) . Good grapplers that are poor strikers are going to have some kind of 'shoot' move to get the fight to a place where they are more comfortable. Good grapplers are going to have more elborate submission holds than not. Poor grapplers are going to do more things that will be 'holding' positions than actual offense. Great Clinchers are the only fighters that should have an 'add 1" move poor clinchers should not have any moves from the clinch that take them to any defensive level in which they could score a. KO or SUB Throws and takedowns go to L3D.

I would hesitate to make any guy better than Shylock. I do not even think I would make Fedor Emillianenko, widely considered the top Heavyweight in MMA and considered the GOAT, that good, but that is just me- I like the guys that have some weaknesses.

[Trent Lawless]

You get Shylock down against a good grappler, though, and he can be beat. It just shouldn't be that often.

[Eliath]

Thanks guys a lot. This gave me a starting point to go from which is exactly what I was looking for. Personally I can't wait to see how Chaos & all the classic super-stars that I use in my fed turn out!

[GalactiKing]

Eliath has a unique and very cool fed and I'm looking forward to seeing what he does. Plus I plan on doing a few conversions myself when I get a chance.

[Eliath]

How would you each rate the fighters top to bottom? Best to worst in your opinions?

[Trent Lawless]

When we were doing the guys, I blocked them into four groups as such (not in any order within the group):

Men
Top tier
Shylock, Saboteur, Cypher, Stigma, Pendekar, Zed Marlowe, Euritar
Upper-mid
Raze, Ahnu, Thayne, Puma, Rubicon, T.K., Dante, Mensar, Gunnar
Lower-mid
Brainstorm, Indigo, Absalom, Scion Nexus, Hanuman, Mike Fortune, Nero, Talon, Romulus, Excalibur, Jack Hood,
Bottom
Crucible, J.J. Smooth, Mad Jester, Matinee Idol, Jack of Diamonds, Hadrian, Silas, Gordo, Taurine, Quetzal

Women
Top
Morgana, Rhiannon
Upper-mid
Serpentine, Xenia
Lower-mid
Nano, Desdemona
Bottom
Latasha

Now, it's arguable that they all wound up coming out that way. For instance, Turkish turned Silas into a sambo type of guy based on his Russian background, so he's probably a little better than indicated here. But this will probably give you the gist of it.

[Eliath]

Thanks again Mark! That is exactly what I needed.

I had a few in the wrong tier (Mensar as Top tier, Jack Hood as Upper-mid, Thayne as Lower-mid) but the rest I had correct.

[Trent Lawless]

Well, the proof will be when the matches are actually played if they wind up in those designations. I think aside from the very top and very bottom guys, there will be more parity in the MMA side of things than on the wrestling side. But what do I know? Turkish did all the hard work.