CPC's relationship to GWF?

[floydthebarber]

Just curious to know how these two companies view each other. Is it like WCW/WWF when both companies tried hard not to talk about the other one? Do guys in the CPC hope for the day when they are 'called up' to the GWF, or are they happy being the 'other' fed in the Galaxy?

Is CPC the 'ECW' of the Galaxy, or are they something else? As someone who plays GWF, there isn't a whole lot said about CPC other than the occassional wrestler who comes over (Vidtek). I understand that Mensar is heading to the CPC after a few years being out of the GWF...will the CPC play up the fact that he was a former GWF star, or will they try to 'rebuild' him into a CPC wrestler?

I'm trying to paint a clearer picture in my head of what the Galaxy looks like and what place each promotion holds in it. I'm actually contemplating creating a new 'indy' fed and I want it to 'fit in' and serve a purpose that isn't currently being fulfilled within the COTG universe.

[jsanudo]

I see CPC/GWF relationship alot like the ECW/WWF relationship. I think it is pretty obvious that the CPC is not on the same level as the GWF. However, I see alot of the CPC wrestler not ever wanting to go to the GWF. The CPC target audience is a select group of wrestling fans (hardcore fans) while the GWF target audience is all wrestling fans (hardcore and casual fans).

I can see alot of CPC wrestlers feeling like going to the GWF as "selling out". The GWF is starting to slow down for me. Of course, "I" am my galaxies fans (both hardcore and casual). My "fans" are getting tired of the silly things going on in the GWF. The "fans" dont want to see clowns and circus acts. I think Vin Strutter gets alot of "X-Pac heat".

More and more hardcore fans are boycotting the current GWF product, focussing on watching CPC, indy and older GWF stuff. Again, this is "my galaxy". Things may be different in your galaxy.

[PureHatred]

Well, obviously there was a lot of animosity between the two companies at first, but that's changed a lot. In recent editions the Titans and Mandrill both had their exhibition stints in the CPC, so I seriously doubt they are denying each other's existence.

It really does feel like a WWF/ECW type deal where one company is aiming at a very different fanbase, the smaller company is definitely not percieved as a threat (and is almost seen as a Triple A affiliate), and the two companies have a fairly amenable working relationship.

[Bazzy]

C$P$C & G*W*F what is the relationship ? . Personally until you mentioned it it probably is like a ECW/WWE . But I always viewed it as WCW v WWF in the Monday night war years . To me CPC is more than what ECW was ? . Both after the best stars ? . After the new beginning , I feel CPC took the upper hand .

[GOODZILLA]

The way I see it, the two feds are similar to WWF vs. WCW during the Monday Night Wars. Since the GWF is much more established and recognizable to the "casual" fans, maybe a more reasonable comparison would be the WWF to WCW prior to the Monday Night Wars.

Remember how the CPC first got formed? There was a lot of politics and bad blood involved in the break away, and Colby did his best to piss off the GWF, to the point that his wrestlers were banned from the GWF. I see the GWF being wary of "lowering itself" to work with him again.

Then again, Colby is a very smart businessman, and I would assume that he wouldn't want to burn bridges with the GWF and could see a lot of monetary gain in a relationship with the GWF.

[PureHatred]

bazzy said:

After the new beginning , I feel CPC took the upper hand .

I would be interested in hearing how you justify this statement.

And all the WCW/WWF MOnday Night Wars comparisons seem odd to me, because the reason there was a 'war' was that the WCW at one time was destroying the WWF ratings wise. So unless something has happened specifically in your fed, I don;t think the CPC has done anything to justify that comparison.

[PureHatred]

bad2begood said:

I see the GWF being wary of "lowering itself" to work with him again.

Part of the CPC 2118's storylines was the series of charity matches between the Titans and the Exiles and the Animen and Species. So it seems like the GWF would be very willing to work with Colby.

[swarm]

purehatred said:

bazzy said:

After the new beginning , I feel CPC took the upper hand .

I would be interested in hearing how you justify this statement.

And all the WCW/WWF MOnday Night Wars comparisons seem odd to me, because the reason there was a 'war' was that the WCW at one time was destroying the WWF ratings wise. So unless something has happened specifically in your fed, I don;t think the CPC has done anything to justify that comparison.

PH is right. Tom himslef has said many, many, many, many, times that the CPC is, and always will be the second rate little sister fed to the GWF.

and there is nothing wrong with that and shouldn't upset anyone.

CPC takes place on one tiny planet...the GWF is galaxy-wide...

I think of the CPC as the king of the indy feds, much like TNA could be considered now...but a threat to the GWF? Never.

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[Bazzy]

Swarm ,
Personally its hard to judge what is happening in other promoters feds . In mine I just feel the CPC is more interesting than the G*W*F at the moment (and the past 6-12 months) . Feud wise / PPVs \ Fans more interested in their champions etc .

[TheOtherTravis]

Originally, I would have said WWF/WCW mostly because of Magnus Colby. I just saw him as sort of the Ted Turner type who threw money out there to try to snag the GWF's top stars. However, now that there has been a working agreement between groups from both federations, the tensions have lessened and its a friendly rivalry, I suppose more akin to WWF/ECW. In my universe, the GWF would be classified as the big brother, with the CPC falling short of their wealth and exposure. They have the OFC, which would cater to the more extreme fans (eventhough I consider the aCe to be my full on hardcore fed). The two feds are fundamentally different, which is a good thing.

So, yeah, the relationship now would be more WWF/ECW. ;D

Peace.

~Trav

[Trent Lawless]

I've often said that the CPC is the ECW of the future, with the hardcore fanbase who stuck with them through the years of the ban (and vice versa). So I suppose the way I'd like to see them is the cream of the crop of non-GWF feds.

I know it's also been mentioned (not necessarily in this thread) that the CPC has by and large consisted of GWF cast-offs of guys past their primes. For your consideration, I present two cases of wrestlers whom the GWF shed not just in their primes, but in one case, as Heavyweight Champion. Where are they winding up? The CPC. Of course, I'm speaking of Euritar and Mensar, set to debut in CPC CATACLYSM 2121.

Think about that next time you wonder about Magnus Colby's ability to compete with the big guys! The GWF's loss will unquestionably be the CPC's gain. And the homegrown stars will continue to have their moments to shine, of course.

[PureHatred]

bazzy said:

Swarm ,
Personally its hard to judge what is happening in other promoters feds . In mine I just feel the CPC is more interesting than the G*W*F at the moment (and the past 6-12 months) . Feud wise / PPVs \ Fans more interested in their champions etc .

That's cool Bazzy. that's why I put the caveat in my post "if something happened specifically in your fed."

Mark you wonderful, wonderful man, I can't tell you how thrilled I am that the CPC is getting soem front-line talent. Now all you have to do is give Dante an upgrade card with some REAL stats to reflect how good an athlete he is and I'll be completely satisfied.

Every drawing in the next set could feature wrestlers in wife beaters and I wouldn't say a thing.

[Trent Lawless]

I'll do my best with Dante. He has a guy with some fairly impressive stats he's gonna have to compete with in 2121.

Funny you should mention the wife-beaters. Historically, I often don't see them on the sketches until the drawings are inked, and then it's sometimes too late to get changes done in time! Hopefully with the focus in July only being on the GWF, production for CPC in November will go more smoothly.

And before someone from the Nitpickers' universe corrects me, technically Mensar is making a RETURN in 2121, not a debut. But the card will be new.

[swarm]

markcpc said:

I've often said that the CPC is the ECW of the future, with the hardcore fanbase who stuck with them through the years of the ban (and vice versa). So I suppose the way I'd like to see them is the cream of the crop of non-GWF feds.

I know it's also been mentioned (not necessarily in this thread) that the CPC has by and large consisted of GWF cast-offs of guys past their primes. For your consideration, I present two cases of wrestlers whom the GWF shed not just in their primes, but in one case, as Heavyweight Champion. Where are they winding up? The CPC. Of course, I'm speaking of Euritar and Mensar, set to debut in CPC CATACLYSM 2121.

Think about that next time you wonder about Magnus Colby's ability to compete with the big guys! The GWF's loss will unquestionably be the CPC's gain. And the homegrown stars will continue to have their moments to shine, of course.

This is for sure super exciting and definitely a step in the right direction...

CPC could in this case compete as far as fan base is concerned.

[PureHatred]

markcpc said:

IFunny you should mention the wife-beaters.

Who said anything about Steve Austin?

~BA-ZING!!~

[thefamoustommyz]

*NITPICK*

Technically, according to the handbooks, Euritar has been floating around in and out of the CPC since 2119.

*NITPICK OFF*

The way I used to handle it in my head was that anyone in the CPC still using a GWF card was considered a "GWF guy"...once they gained a CPC card, the fans accepted them more.

For instance, JoD and Raven were considered CPC guys after the ban...but Hammer didn't gain acceptance until he morphed into Molotok, and The Lower World didn't until a year after that.

It wasn't a hard and fast rule, but more of a guideline that has loosened up...(for instance, Euritar isn't receiving that treatment in the CPC right now, especially since he debuted with the GWF Galaxian title in hand and issued a challenge to CPC champion Vidtek, beating him on a CPC broadcast while proclaiming he was done with the GWF.)

[Big Bri]

thefamoustommyz said:

*The way I used to handle it in my head was that anyone in the CPC still using a GWF card was considered a "GWF guy"...once they gained a CPC card, the fans accepted them more.

For instance, JoD and Raven were considered CPC guys after the ban...but Hammer didn't gain acceptance until he morphed into Molotok, and The Lower World didn't until a year after that.

It wasn't a hard and fast rule, but more of a guideline that has loosened up...(for instance, Euritar isn't receiving that treatment in the CPC right now, especially since he debuted with the GWF Galaxian title in hand and issued a challenge to CPC champion Vidtek, beating him on a CPC broadcast while proclaiming he was done with the GWF.)

That's a cool way of looking at it. I like the Euritar storyline there too.