Who's flying under the radar?

[soug]

Which CPC wrestler will be the next superstar?
I think Pendekar is going along nicely. Not many people seem to take notice of him.
I can see this guy getting bored in the CPC and jumping to the GWF.....for bigger and better things.

[GalactiKing]

Not sure but Pendekar is one of my favorites so I hope it's him.

[swarm]

there really aren't any superstars in the CPC...they kind of all even out.

Mark has said in the past he would like to just be able to write the books, and isn't too interested in the card stats...so I don't think he has that "magic touch" that Tom does "designing" characters who, when written as a "star", actually have a chance to become one when the book gets put away, and the dice come into play.

[Trent Lawless]

That's not true to say I'm not interested in the card stats. That's just the one thing of all the things I do when writing the CPC that I feel least qualified at, mainly because I have to do things largely within the rules Tom's set up. One of those rules (unwritten) is that the top guys in the CPC can't be as good as the top guys in the GWF. That's been established in this forum many times. I don't mind so much having that constraint, although it would be nice to create a real monster.

So, rather than bump everyone down a notch so that the lower card guys are worse than the GWF's janitors, I'd rather see more people on a similar level and make the possibilities for who could be the breakout stars more open.

But I do care about the card stats.

My vote for next breakout guy in the CPC of someone who's already there would probably be Gunnar. But not for a while. The potential is definitely there for lots of stuff.

[swarm]

there is no reason Euritar shouldn't be as good the top GWF guys. He was the champion when he was cut, and he was young.

Not only do I think he should be the top guy in the CPC, he should be one of the top "cards" in all the games right now.

and Mensar shouldn't be far behind him.

Both these guys would be top tier stars in the GWF in 2121, so making them "monsters" in the CPC is completely logical.

[PureHatred]

markcpc said:

One of those rules (unwritten) is that the top guys in the CPC can't be as good as the top guys in the GWF. That's been established in this forum many times.

As a consumer of the COTG product, I can't tell you how disappointing that is to read. There's no logical reason why that should be. You're basically trying to grow a fanbase with the underlying premise: We're second rate. We'll always be second rate.

I'm not sure I'll be buying any more CPC sets.

As to this topic: Swarm is right. Euritar and to some extent Mensar should be just as dominant in the CPC as they were in the GWF.

And I personally think Dante has break out potential. If he gets really good, maybe he can move on up to the big leagues.

[Trent Lawless]

I hope you don't give up on the CPC yet just because of the differences in the top tier. There's still plenty of fun to be had with the CPC. You want drama? We got drama! Forget EC F'n W, we're the CP f'n C! (Okay, not quite as catchy, but hey.)

And I agree about Dante completely. Watch what he does in 2121.

[PureHatred]

markcpc said:

I hope you don't give up on the CPC yet just because of the differences in the top tier. There's still plenty of fun to be had with the CPC. You want drama? We got drama! Forget EC F'n W, we're the CP f'n C! (Okay, not quite as catchy, but hey.)

And I agree about Dante completely. Watch what he does in 2121.

It's not that I don't love the drama. I think the storylines are innovative and draw me in every time. I also love the 'shades of gray' aspects of the characters.

But like Swarm said, eventually you have to break out the dice.

What I would love to see, especially if you can't give us the upper tier caliber cards the GWF has (for whatever insane reason) is that you go the route of aCe: be more innovative with the stats/game play.

The OFC is basically a MMA type faction, but their stats are as straighforward 'wrestlers.' Mess around with that.

If the CPC can't be as 'talented' as the GWF, at least give it its own unique feel instead of GWF-lite.

But I do want to reiterate: I LOVE the stories. The stats just make it hard to be as addicted to the gameplay.

[Trent Lawless]

Fair enough. We've taken it into advisement. Have your people call my people. We'll do lunch. Lova ya babe.

;D

[MikeMcKinney]

Euritar and Mensar should be top tier guys period... They were young and great back then, they should be true monsters by now!!!!!! CPC should have a few monsters!!!!! It makes the fed that much better if their are a FEW big cards that everyone else is gunning for!

It's really fun having all the so called almost supersatrs trying to beat the big man or men in this case!!!

tkx again,

[swarm]

purehatred said:

markcpc said:

One of those rules (unwritten) is that the top guys in the CPC can't be as good as the top guys in the GWF. That's been established in this forum many times.

As a consumer of the COTG product, I can't tell you how disappointing that is to read. There's no logical reason why that should be. You're basically trying to grow a fanbase with the underlying premise: We're second rate. We'll always be second rate.

I'm not sure I'll be buying any more CPC sets.

As to this topic: Swarm is right. Euritar and to some extent Mensar should be just as dominant in the CPC as they were in the GWF.

And I personally think Dante has break out potential. If he gets really good, maybe he can move on up to the big leagues.

well, without really "getting into it", the CPC has to be second rate to the GWF, because it is...and it makes complete logical sense that it always will be...

That doesn't mean it can't be cool...but let's be serious. I would feel the same way if I were writing it...

there isn't one logical reason for the CPC to be anywhere near the level of the GWF...ever.

The only thing I can see to end this debate is to make an official CPC Conversion Chart...so this way, the CPC guys can be really strong vs. each other...but vs. GWF guys they would logically weaker...capable of winning yes...but much weaker in comparision...

[Darth Turkish]

I do not think it should be acanonical that CPC guys are not as good as GWF guys, espcially as time goes on.

I could see that as it gains redibility, the CPC develops a monster or two, and those guys stay in the fed simply because the CPC gave them a shot and they want to repay that.

Not everyone is always out for the biggest paycheck.

[soug]

one federation will always be "better" than another. it's the way things go.

But i don't think we can count on Euritar and Mensar to "all of a sudden" make the CPC huge!

What have they done lately??
they might be bums by now!!! ;D

[soug]

oh....Mensars always been a bum!!! ;D

[PureHatred]

swarm said:

purehatred said:

As a consumer of the COTG product, I can't tell you how disappointing that is to read. There's no logical reason why that should be. You're basically trying to grow a fanbase with the underlying premise: We're second rate. We'll always be second rate.

I'm not sure I'll be buying any more CPC sets.

As to this topic: Swarm is right. Euritar and to some extent Mensar should be just as dominant in the CPC as they were in the GWF.

And I personally think Dante has break out potential. If he gets really good, maybe he can move on up to the big leagues.

well, without really "getting into it", the CPC has to be second rate to the GWF, because it is...and it makes complete logical sense that it always will be...

That doesn't mean it can't be cool...but let's be serious. I would feel the same way if I were writing it...

there isn't one logical reason for the CPC to be anywhere near the level of the GWF...ever.

The only thing I can see to end this debate is to make an official CPC Conversion Chart...so this way, the CPC guys can be really strong vs. each other...but vs. GWF guys they would logically weaker...capable of winning yes...but much weaker in comparision...

I don't necessarily disagree. The GWF is the more well known, more popular, more established company.

But from a storyline standpoint, this "Galaxy wide depression" makes it plausible that the CPC would be able to sign high-priced veterans that the GWF maybe can't afford to keep around. Guys like Mensar, Euritar, you could even see a storyline where someone like Manslaughter or an aging star like Chaos is brought in just for name sake.

And Turkish is right. If an indy fed in our time can develop the occasional break-out star then why not have a homegrown CPC talent blow-up even just once?

This topic is about break-out stars. I get that the overall talent level isn't going to be the same. I get it. But I personally think its about time that the CPC gets that one gtreat wrestler that you can build a company around. A headliner. A superstar. And not just in his background. But also on the back of his card.

Just one.

[Mad Dog]

We're just stuck in part of the growing pains of a newer fed right now. The original main eventers are gone or past their primes and the fed's waiting for the next generation of main eventers. I think Euritar and Mensar will be really strong. I think Euritar could be slighly downgraded and still be an absolute monster.

I think people are too involved in the stats thing. I think a top level CPC guy is meant to be an I-P level guy in the GWF. Not that big of a deal in my opinion. I think Raven and Jack of Diamonds could've given any GWF guy a run for their money with their 2112 cards.

I really like the CPC though. I like the shoot fighters and the lack of flash. It's like the NWA compared to the WWF in the 80s.

[Trent Lawless]

maddog1981 said:

It's like the NWA compared to the WWF in the 80s.

EXACTLY! THANK YOU!

[Joe]

I have no problem with the CPC being the weaker of the two federations, but Euritar being brought in and downgraded simply to adhere to to the "unwritten rule" that the CPC's best cannot be as good as the GWF's premiere guys makes no sense.

At the time of his release from the GWF, Euritar was the champion in the promoter and, in my fed, at least, as dominant as any champion other than Chaos or Star Warrior. There is no logical reason that he would fall off after having traveled the galaxy and competed against people of various styles in various federations. If anything, Euritar should be upgraded.

[PureHatred]

maddog1981 said:

It's like the NWA compared to the WWF in the 80s.

No. It's not.

The NWA in the mid-80s had Ric Flair at his absolute peak, the Four Horsemen, Sting, the Steiner Brothers, The Midnight Express, The Great Muta, The Road Warriors, Dusty Rhodes in his prime (such as it were), The Rock n Roll Express, The Freebirds, Nikita Koloff, etc, etc...

From a national standpoint, the WWF was more well known. But if you were to generate stats for their workers, respectively, the NWA guys would probably be better than the WWF guys 9/10 times.

It's not a good comparison. Flash and sizzle has nothing to do with in-ring skill. If anything, to make this work, you would have to downgrade the GWF's workers and have less exciting matches, but with more famous performers. (and the CPC's shoot fighter stll play like regular wrestlers)

It's Mark' s world to play with, but I'm still not reading any legit explanation why the CPC can't generate one top level performer that could rate with the GWF's top performers.

[PureHatred]

joe said:

I have no problem with the CPC being the weaker of the two federations, but Euritar being brought in and downgraded simply to adhere to to the "unwritten rule" that the CPC's best cannot be as good as the GWF's premiere guys makes no sense.

At the time of his release from the GWF, Euritar was the champion in the promoter and, in my fed, at least, as dominant as any champion other than Chaos or Star Warrior. There is no logical reason that he would fall off after having traveled the galaxy and competed against people of various styles in various federations. If anything, Euritar should be upgraded.

What he said.