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Post by ringking on May 27, 2008 5:14:21 GMT -5
My thoughts of 84
Main Card Bouts:
-B.J. Penn vs. Sean Sherk
Freaking loved the fight. It was sadly almost totally a boxing match. Then again seeing Sherk get like 10 cuts on his head was amusing to me to say the least. WOOT Penn!
-Lyoto Machida vs. Tito Ortiz
I was sadden to see Ortiz lose. However Dana was like a little girl giggling in the press box apprently. Dana can kiss my.....well you know what I'm gonna say and I'll be civil.
-Keith Jardine vs. Wanderlei Silva
Silva was a monster. He saved his head and was showing the tatoo and the beast was freaking loose. I marked so hard and then afterwards was worried for Jardine.
Other matches were kinda a blur to me. But the show was enjoyable. Seeing Tito go is sad and I hope he goes to EliteXC and get him and the company bunch o money that Dana White will never see. I'm just waiting to see Brock at 87. I wanna see BROCK SMASH!!!!
On a side note:
Dana keeps getting bad press and a lot of people hate him big time. Tito, Randy, and good ole Tim Silvia. My question is how long before they finally can't take Dana's crazy ways? Maybe they will just deal with it and he will be with the company for as long as he lives. But I don't know. Tito came off as a big time class act at the show. The crowd was booing when he lost. I assume a lot of fan aren't happy cause of this. But hell boys will be boys right?
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 27, 2008 15:53:01 GMT -5
Dana is not the root of all evil.
He is helping the sport grow.
He does not always make the best decisions (like trying to have Ortiz tossed out of the conference) but he is human.
He will stay around for as long as he makes the company money.
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Post by Wildfire on May 27, 2008 16:55:26 GMT -5
I think Tito Ortiz is, first and foremost, a showman... and he WANTS to be the 'good guy' here.
Dana White doesn't care if he's a good guy or a bad guy, as long as you buy PPVs and DVDs.
I don't think you've seen the last or Ortiz in a UFC ring... they still have the most money and the most exposure to offer.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on May 27, 2008 17:01:28 GMT -5
Good point Dark Turkey. Though not the most likeable guy he has a done a ton for the sport and the UFC. I am not a fan but he obviously knows what he is doing. Anyway I had some questions for you MMA officianados....
So did it look like Sherk and Ortiz were content on standing the whole match? Or did you think they were waiting for openings that never came for a takedown. I saw a handfull from Ortiz and maybe one from Sherk. I wasnt sure if it was their gameplan to strike or not. I am just more used to seeing them going for the shoot a heck of a lot more often (especially sherk).
Oh yeah, was it confirmed thaat Sherk hurt his right hand? I remember Goldberg saying something about that.
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Post by Aquinas on May 27, 2008 20:00:07 GMT -5
I find Ortiz to be something of a little b*tch. I was glad to see him put in a lackluster losing effort.
Reljic was very impressive to me....holy crap does that guy have thunderous kicks. It hurt to watch them!
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Post by ringking on May 28, 2008 1:24:55 GMT -5
Dana is not the root of all evil. He is helping the sport grow. He does not always make the best decisions (like trying to have Ortiz tossed out of the conference) but he is human. He will stay around for as long as he makes the company money. I don't look at him as a root of all evil. My friends say that Dana and him just didn't see eye and eye. So well they hate each other for it. Dana definatly helped UFC and MMA in general out with his help. But he is "one of the boys". Which is good and bad in several things. I mean on TUF when he yells at someone for crying that is some great TV. So I look at Dana kinda how I look at Vince. They both are great at business but they have bad days.....really bad days sometimes. Hell maybe Couture and Tito are big wusses (I highly doubt that is a the case though) for wanting more money cause they did help the sport. I personally feel they deserved more. But that's my thoughts and I could be wrong. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 28, 2008 5:57:24 GMT -5
Dana is not the root of all evil. He is helping the sport grow. He does not always make the best decisions (like trying to have Ortiz tossed out of the conference) but he is human. He will stay around for as long as he makes the company money. I don't look at him as a root of all evil. My friends say that Dana and him just didn't see eye and eye. So well they hate each other for it. Dana definatly helped UFC and MMA in general out with his help. But he is "one of the boys". Which is good and bad in several things. I mean on TUF when he yells at someone for crying that is some great TV. So I look at Dana kinda how I look at Vince. They both are great at business but they have bad days.....really bad days sometimes. Hell maybe Couture and Tito are big wusses (I highly doubt that is a the case though) for wanting more money cause they did help the sport. I personally feel they deserved more. But that's my thoughts and I could be wrong. I agree with this and the Dana/ Vince analogy was one I was going to make. I also agree that the fighters should be paid a bit more. 3 grand, even for a no name fighter, is pretty bad. That will not even cover basic expenses (medical, travel, etc) I do not like Tito, but I agree that he should have gotten more respect. He is a name and does put asses in seats. But I am so tried of Randy Couture's "woe is me" shtick. He says it is not about money, and then complains that so and so is making more. I understand what his meaning is, but it got overplayed. Dana does act quite stupid at times. Saying Fedor "sucks" just becasue he will not play in your sandbox, is incredibly childish.. He derides fighters that will not work for him, which obviously burns bridges. BUt he is still able to negotiate a great lot of fighers to the UFC, and for that he is valuable. Dark Turkey.... why, I outta...... bang... zoom! |
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on May 28, 2008 15:32:04 GMT -5
I don't look at him as a root of all evil. My friends say that Dana and him just didn't see eye and eye. So well they hate each other for it. Dana definatly helped UFC and MMA in general out with his help. But he is "one of the boys". Which is good and bad in several things. I mean on TUF when he yells at someone for crying that is some great TV. So I look at Dana kinda how I look at Vince. They both are great at business but they have bad days.....really bad days sometimes. Hell maybe Couture and Tito are big wusses (I highly doubt that is a the case though) for wanting more money cause they did help the sport. I personally feel they deserved more. But that's my thoughts and I could be wrong. I agree with this and the Dana/ Vince analogy was one I was going to make. I also agree that the fighters should be paid a bit more. 3 grand, even for a no name fighter, is pretty bad. That will not even cover basic expenses (medical, travel, etc) I do not like Tito, but I agree that he should have gotten more respect. He is a name and does put asses in seats. But I am so tried of Randy Couture's "woe is me" shtick. He says it is not about money, and then complains that so and so is making more. I understand what his meaning is, but it got overplayed. Dana does act quite stupid at times. Saying Fedor "sucks" just becasue he will not play in your sandbox, is incredibly childish.. He derides fighters that will not work for him, which obviously burns bridges. BUt he is still able to negotiate a great lot of fighers to the UFC, and for that he is valuable. Dark Turkey.... why, I outta...... bang... zoom! Maybe I better quit with the nicknames before I get O-soto-choked-the-fuck-out. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 28, 2008 17:45:07 GMT -5
Or I'll challenge you to a snatch contest!
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Post by ringking on May 28, 2008 21:34:54 GMT -5
Dana does act quite stupid at times. Saying Fedor "sucks" just becasue he will not play in your sandbox, is incredibly childish.. He derides fighters that will not work for him, which obviously burns bridges. BUt he is still able to negotiate a great lot of fighers to the UFC, and for that he is valuable. That is Dana in a nutshell. The "one of the boys" attitude he has brings people to UFC. I mean he takes stuff personal. You don't play with him he will shut you down plain and simple. I hate that Fedor won't come to UFC but well thats how the cookie crumbles. I honestly want to see how EXC does in the coming years to combat with UFC. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 29, 2008 6:00:01 GMT -5
The UFC is making big mistakes, right now, in letting named people go. They have a very WWE - attitude of " If you don't fight for us, you are nothing". The Thing is in prowrestling, that is sorta true- TNA cannot hang, really, with WWE )and I amy be wrong here, I have not watched wrestling in years, just from what is said on boards).
A few years ago, the UFC was the only game in this part of the world, now several smaller orgs are starting, and the great thing is, they will work with one another. By letting an Ortiz or an Arlovski or a Tim Sylvia go, they are giving those organizations credible fighters that built their name and lefacy in the UFC. Tito Ortiz may not be the fighter he was several years ago, but people still want to see him fight. a Rematch with Frank Shamrock will draw. Tom Sylvia may not have veen the most amazing fighter in the world, but he is a name and his fight with Fedor will draw. Arloski is still young and has a lot of upswing.
The UFC is relying way too much on the TUF alum. And who has really benefitted from that show? The champions for sure (Forest, Joe Daddy, Nate Diaz,and Diego are all successful) but that is it. I guess getting one or two good fighters a year out of that show is worth it.
The UFC does need to beware- interest in their brand of MMA may not be monoploized for long.
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Post by habbalah on Jun 15, 2008 19:26:37 GMT -5
Oh Lord not this again.
The UFC has been
(getting away with ) the way they've run things for quite sometime. If it ain't broke why fix it?
Let’s talk about the obvious biggest mishap going against Dana right now shell we?
Affiliation, aka Banned. It’s the biggest MMA event of the year.... and Dana’s not invited.
Now is this event clearly going to be better than anything that the UFC or Pride ever did? Sure it just might.
But it’s not just about showing up the big boys once. M-1 (or who ever is running that show) is going to have to keep turning out the big bucks to put on these super awesome kick butt shows.
And it is a great show...but there’s a whole lot of money has been dumped into it. Will it turn a profit?
I concede top to bottom it’s a visual delight and that’s why I’m using it as the example of the UFC dropping the ball.
I mean if anything is going to knock Mr. White down a notch it’s going to be this.
But I bet you it doesn’t. Oh sure it’ll be fun, but can M-1 (or who ever is putting on this show)
keep all these stars? Can they turn a dollar? Or will the UFC continue to cash in for less money?
We'll see.
The ufc continues to push the stars that get the wins. It's why Dana said if Wanderlei wants to stay in the ufc he had to win.
It's why Travis Lutter despite winning an ultimate fighter is gone. Now there's more to it than that but the UFC generally doesn't keep losers for long.
And Tito is a very expansive loser.
Can the UFC keep him and keep making money of him despite him losing? Sure they could...but guess what... fans would still be gripping about the UFC than about not investing it's money in better talent. It's always gonna be something.
If anything White should take the money from Tito and go buy Arona.
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