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Post by Chewey on Apr 11, 2007 0:08:52 GMT -5
It is no secret that I want this Hall of Fame to be highly selective. I would personally rather see it be more like the Baseball Hall of Fame, where it is a possibility (though far from the norm) that no one even gets inducted in a given year if they don't truly deserve it. Or at least more stringent than the WWE Hall of Fame, where even the Blackjacks and Johnny Rodz (yeah, the perenniel jobber) can get inducted.
So I pose this question. Which do you value more highly?
Dorado Sundown. They weren't around for many years, but they made a huge impact on the GWF, and headlined the main events against two of the GWF's all-time legends in Omega and Morpheus.
Lord Nexus. He wasn't consistently ranked number one in the GWF Promoter for any stretch of time, but has been above average for many, many years.
Neither. You're a traditionalist like me, who only wants to see the elite among champions enshrined. Inducting these choices takes away from the accomplishments of the Elite Among Champions (Omega, Morpheus, Star Warrior, Thantos, Wolf, the Original Gladiators). To you: Impact + Longevity = Hall of Famer.
I expect to be the minority in this poll, no worries. But in baseball terms, I think that it's a fair analogy to compare Dorado Sundown to Jose Canseco or Ken Griffey Jr. as players who were considered the best in the game at certain points of their careers; and Lord Nexus to Rafael Palmeiro and Tony Perez as players who may never have been considered the best, but were among the very good throughout most of their careers.
(I realize that Griffey will probably get inducted and Perez already has been - and as a Reds fan I'm not even completely against this, while Canseco and Palmeiro were later revealed to be cheaters... but not every analogy is perfect.)
What do you all think?
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Post by Wildfire on Apr 11, 2007 0:29:32 GMT -5
no question for me.. Dorado Sundown was in the GWF for less than 2 years... regardless of their impact at that time, they simply weren't around long enough.. Chewey compared them to Ken Griffey Jr... a better comparison would be Tony Conigliaro or JR RIchard.
I chose Nexus for his lasting contribution to the GWF, not so much his ring performance. The team he founded is still around, after 30+ years, that's saying something... and didn't he win EVERY Sudden Death he was in?
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Post by theringmaster on Apr 11, 2007 0:48:51 GMT -5
I agree with Wildfire. Lord Nexus was a straightlaced face that legacy in the GWF is unquestioned and undoubted by everyone. Sundown who I LOVE they rule, but Nexus was on the injuried list all hurt from the legacy he was leaving more time then Sundown was here total. Nexus by far.
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Post by Chewey on Apr 11, 2007 1:27:39 GMT -5
ok, so a fairer analogy might have been to compare Dorado Sundown to Mo Vaughn or Ken Caminiti (both former MVPs), but I wanted to be a little more generous. Besides the fact that, unlike Mo Vaughn, the Dorado Sundown didn't stick around and suck for a number of years.
Like I said, no analogy is perfect.
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Post by Knapik on Apr 11, 2007 7:31:37 GMT -5
Nexus was a decent singles wrestler, awesome with Titan Power, and one of the most influental managers of all time. Definitely has to be in!
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Post by steefposton on Apr 11, 2007 18:03:32 GMT -5
I voted for neither. If Nexus gets in as a tag-team wrestler, wouldn't his partner have to be inducted as well? I just can't see the Boxer getting in. Also, while very good, to me, the hall is for greats, I tend to agree with Chewey, I want the best of the best in there.
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Post by GalactiKing on Apr 12, 2007 12:40:38 GMT -5
Nexus should be in if for no other reason than contributor. No person except Omega has had more influence on the GWF than him.
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Post by jefft on Apr 13, 2007 6:39:10 GMT -5
I think I'm a traditionalist as well, but Lord Nexus has had a HUGE impact on the GWF from the standpoint of just his general contributions, not just his wrestling career. Lord Nexus is a definite yes.
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Post by Bazzy on Apr 14, 2007 1:18:54 GMT -5
Got to be Lord Nexus aint it ? History says so !
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Post by Cory Olson on Apr 14, 2007 23:25:58 GMT -5
This is my first time posting something related to the HOF stuff. I voted for Nexus. For me personally, he was the first IP champion in my fed. He didn't have a ton of singles success as I focused on the TitanPower team.
Looking storyline-wise, as Troy and Jeff both said, he was around a long time and made some of the biggest contributions to the GWF. He was one of the last "true heroes" in my opinion.
Even though I didn't vote for them, I could see Dorado Sundown being included. They may have had a short stay, but they did feud with the two top stars of that era.
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Post by jester on Apr 14, 2007 23:57:30 GMT -5
Lord Nexus , all the way baby.............. His presence is still being felt in 2121 in both the GWF and CPC.
Talking baseball analogies , my all time favorite player DALE MURPHY won back to back MVP's and probably will never get in the hall because his numbers fall just short. I hope he makes it some day because he deserves it . He played most of his career on pretty crappy Braves teams.
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Post by Matt on Apr 15, 2007 11:51:57 GMT -5
Nexus for sure. His impact continues to be felt to "this day" in the GWF.
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Post by mikefortune on Apr 16, 2007 10:28:31 GMT -5
Dale Murphy played for Atlanta. I only remember him with Colorado. And I think I have seen him in a Philly uniform but I could be mistaken.
Now what about this should Omega be in the HOF. If you have never played with the earlier sets, and you only know Omega as the crappy old Indian wrestler would you have voted him in. I know his feud with Death Knight was legendary but look at this from a different point of view. Omega will make it into my HOF as a builder not as a wrestler. Why you may ask, well when the GWF game was created he was waaayyyy past him prime. His back story was he was a great wrestler in his past and he is the Dad of Star Warrior. Does this mean "Big Thunder" Gene Kiniski should be a HOF'er. He held a world title and has a son who was a wrestler.
I am strictly speaking from a game playing point of view. If you have never played with any of the "blue cards" then should you count those wrestlers.
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Post by steefposton on Apr 17, 2007 1:39:03 GMT -5
Personally, I would consider a person's classic career as part of their career. Yoda goes in the hall, even if you haven't seen the "prequel" movies of episode 1-3, you know he was a bad mo fo
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Post by swarm on Apr 17, 2007 20:08:58 GMT -5
Nexus. OT could induct him.
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Post by Chewey on Apr 17, 2007 20:16:36 GMT -5
Dale Murphy played for Atlanta. I only remember him with Colorado. And I think I have seen him in a Philly uniform but I could be mistaken. Now what about this should Omega be in the HOF. If you have never played with the earlier sets, and you only know Omega as the crappy old Indian wrestler would you have voted him in. I know his feud with Death Knight was legendary but look at this from a different point of view. Omega will make it into my HOF as a builder not as a wrestler. Why you may ask, well when the GWF game was created he was waaayyyy past him prime. His back story was he was a great wrestler in his past and he is the Dad of Star Warrior. Does this mean "Big Thunder" Gene Kiniski should be a HOF'er. He held a world title and has a son who was a wrestler. I am strictly speaking from a game playing point of view. If you have never played with any of the "blue cards" then should you count those wrestlers. Very interesting point, Mike. I think this question actually opens up a ton of other issues as far as voting goes. My line of reasoning is: you vote for the game years that you play. I do not own anything Filsinger-related between the years 2110-2118. I also did not consistently play a continuous GWF fed after 2100 (with a reboot in 2119). I own GWF and aCe from 2119 onward, and I am saving CPC to be a project for me to work on once the summer rolls around. Obviously, I can't vote in the affirmative or negative for any of the stars of this period... it would not be fair. I don't even know what Euritar looks like. Given what I have played, Pegasus and Vyper would not get HOF votes from me, because their careers didn't really take off until after 2100. I know that when it comes to voting on those two, I will not vote for their induction. I also will not vote for their exclusion either, I would simply abstain. Omega, on the other hand, I would presume to be a virtual lock in the manager's wing even if you never played his wrestling card when he was in his prime blue days. I don't think we had fully decided on whether a wrestler could be inducted into the HOF four times, if they had significant contributions as a singles wrestler, tag wrestler, manager, and "other" contributions. Some people have spoken against allowing Omega to be inducted as four separate entries. While Omega would certainly merit a case to be inducted in each category, someone like Lord Nexus might have more of an argument for being inducted for everything that he has done in his career as one solid package. In another thread, I raised the issue of whether we would be voting for the induction of each wrestler's individual playing card, or for the duration of their entire career. While it would seem mildly ridiculous to induct a Star Warrior 2083 tag team card, Star Warrior 2087 card, Star Warrior 2090 card, and Star Warrior 2096 card all separately, we should perhaps try to set some sort of guideline about what point a promoter should be able to intelligently make a decision about a wrestler's performance based on the cards that he owns. If I never played Classics, I don't think I could induct Omega's 2087-2089 singles career into the HOF, no matter how awesome he might have been in GWF lore, or in other people's feds. People should be able to vote however they want, and if enough people want to vote Count Necros into the Hall, no matter how much you and I would protest, the decision should still stand. However, this subject leads to very interesting discussion for the undecided voters -- which includes me, for almost all of the wrestlers of the GWF vs. CPC wars that I have not yet played. |
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Post by mikefortune on Apr 18, 2007 10:01:58 GMT -5
I think when a person votes they should vote on what they have done for them. I know a few people who restarted their fed from the earliest blue cards and continued on. I am myseld just entering 2102 and I honsetly have no idea who most of the wrestlers in the game are.
When the voting starts and when the rules have been hammered out then I will go over what each wrestler has done in my fed.
These are my thought on the HOF. There should be a wing for GWF, CPC, and ACE. I also think that there should be diffrent catagories for each wing. Wrestler/Tag team/Manager and builder. Wrestlers should be allowed in diffrent catagories and wings if their carear was great enough to allow them so.
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Post by JED-SE on Apr 23, 2007 10:58:59 GMT -5
Actually Chewey, Pegasus carrer was realtively good before 2100. Remember, he did hold his own against Wolf according to the GWF promoter in 2098. Back on topic, there is no doubt in my mind the Nexus deserves to be in the HOF. There isn't one thing that says he deserves to be in. He has started one of the greatest GWF wrestling stables of all time, he has helped devolop wrestlers such as Pulsar, Scion Nexus, and even the undercard bum, Ursa Major! He was also involved in a great wrestling tag team known as Titan Power. He represented the titans against CTA-102 in the GWF and had a legendary feud with Krakan. Also he served as a great leader of the hero team for a period of time. It is for all these reasons he should be inducted into the GWF HOF. Nexus. OT could induct him. Lol. I could see it: OT "He should be inducting me!" |
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