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Post by krisosk on Feb 6, 2007 17:59:02 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300] COTGonline update 2-06-07 [/glow] A NEW Character Profile is on display. ~ :-Xsk |
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Post by jester on Feb 6, 2007 20:53:10 GMT -5
SWEET !
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Post by GalactiKing on Feb 6, 2007 22:13:29 GMT -5
Interesting background for the Aegis SE.
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Post by jefft on Feb 7, 2007 8:11:56 GMT -5
Just to be clear...we can input our stats from our card/dice games into the StatTracker ourselves? We don't necessarily have to have the Online Sim and the other stuff as well to work with the Stat Tracker?
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Post by BDS on Feb 7, 2007 9:16:08 GMT -5
Just to be clear...we can input our stats from our card/dice games into the StatTracker ourselves? We don't necessarily have to have the Online Sim and the other stuff as well to work with the Stat Tracker? That is correct. |
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Post by jefft on Feb 7, 2007 9:22:02 GMT -5
Just to be clear...we can input our stats from our card/dice games into the StatTracker ourselves? We don't necessarily have to have the Online Sim and the other stuff as well to work with the Stat Tracker? That is correct. Cool! That makes it much more attractive then. |
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Post by Talison on Feb 7, 2007 15:32:10 GMT -5
So, here's what I want to know. Will different deals be offered so that, as an example, I can use the Stat Tracker and not the Simulator?
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Post by Wildfire on Feb 7, 2007 15:42:12 GMT -5
They've definately stated somewhere you could JUST purchase the stat tracker... we're all still waiting anxiously for what the rates for all the stuff will be
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Post by Pride on Feb 8, 2007 9:08:22 GMT -5
hmmm but what if you just want the aCe set can you just purches that?
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Post by krisosk on Feb 8, 2007 10:10:06 GMT -5
So, here's what I want to know. Will different deals be offered so that, as an example, I can use the Stat Tracker and not the Simulator? Absolutely, you'd be able to purchase the Simulator (with online playability) and the Stat Tracker as individual products, or, purchase them together at a discounted rate. Prices are yet to be determined. ~ :-Xsk |
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Post by krisosk on Feb 8, 2007 16:35:56 GMT -5
Visit the site and check out the DISCUSS link.
Original Board has been added.
~ :-Xsk
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Post by Talison on Feb 8, 2007 17:59:05 GMT -5
So... to be blunt, why would I buy the simulator? I already use COTG Desktop. Having it on my computer rather than a website means I can customize it. I may be in the minority, but I have the skill and tools to color my own game cards. So I'd be paying to use a program I essentially already have and then paying again for characters I already have. Top that off with the fact that I play Legends way more than COTG.
I'm not trying to be negative, just playing devil's advocate.
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Post by krisosk on Feb 8, 2007 21:38:54 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be negative, just playing devil's advocate. How DARE you!  What I'd say in response to your post, Talison, is that yes, you may have coloring talents just as good, or maybe even better than Jeff Corbett. You may even go out of your way to create original custom backgrounds on all your cards. Heck, you may not even care that aCe 2121, and most likely every other aCe and CPC sets down the line may be COTGonline "exclusives," or that most likely eventually all COTG sets will have COTGonline digital versions (meaning you'd never have to type the entire library of COTG characters into CotG Desktop). But, can I convince you with things like the actual "simulator" feature which produces card results where realistic outcomes are based off a unique combination of card strength and the BRAND NEW official ranking system of COTG characters. So, if you ever decide you'd like to create some quick history in your Champions feds you can. Or, how about the fact that you'll be missing out on the cool new Character Progression feature COTGonline offers. Check out info on that right here: cotg.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=online&action=display&thread=1169323522Could I sway you with the fact that we'd be offering the ability to play against other COTGonline promoters around the globe? Not only in one on one matchups, but in joint federations, online tournaments, fantasy COTG leagues, and any more crazy stuff we can all dream up. Two player Champions of the Galaxy? The devil himself would sign up for that. ~ :-Xsk |
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Post by Talison on Feb 8, 2007 23:45:47 GMT -5
Again, just playing Devil's Advocate cause I am seeing no reason to buy this yet. Sorry. I want to be sold on it but as of right now I'm not. So addressing your points...
Personally, I like the black and white art. Yes, I am an artist by trade. Yes, I have skills with Photoshop. But I have a great love of black and white line art and it quite frankly was one of the things that drew me to COTG. Not that the color art isn't good. At the very least I respect Jeff's technical ability greatly.
I don't play aCe or CPC, and have no current plans to start. As I said, I mainly play Legends. I have two COTG sets, the original and New Beginning. I've played them both, I like them both, I've never been able to get into playing them long term (although I am currently two months into a new New Beginning Fed I'm enjoying). Not having to type in all the info myself, that interests me. Not that it's hard, but it is time consuming.
Haven't heard anything about the "official" ranking system. Is this ranking the card strength or a system of ranking wrestlers based on their win loss rate. As far as quickly creating history.... I got nothing on that one.
Character Progression sounds interesting. Again, I mainly play Legends and have yet to move from one COTG year to the next ( I have played years of Legends in multiple feds).
The Devil can sign up for two player mode. Not interested here.
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Post by krisosk on Feb 9, 2007 12:13:23 GMT -5
Well, the features I've mentioned all revolve around the COTGonline Simulator portion of the product. Our primary focus with the simulator is to expose the COTG game system to new audiences. The mechanics are easy enough to learn, and the game flow is extraordinary, especially when charts and tokens are a simple click of the mouse away (Talison, you might agree with me, being a fan of CotG Desktop).
Now while black and white line art on card stock has its place in the gaming market, it does have a dated feel, and might be a tougher sell to the majority of potential new gamers.
And, while Legends of Wrestling maybe your version of choice, Champions of the Galaxy does not bring with it (at this point in time at least) any sort of tricky legalities that LOW might. Are we considering bringing Legends of Wrestling Online? Of course. Will it happen? Time will tell.
One of COTGonlines primary goals is to attack NEW markets. We're looking at comic book fans , simulator fans, and good ol' online game fans who may have never heard of Filsinger Games. Through internet advertising, we hope that at least some of the points that have been mentioned in this thread would act as selling points.
For traditional players, there is certainly the option to just purchase the Stat Tracker. We're offering each feature (the Stat Tracker and the Sim) available for individual purchase for promoters who are comfortable with the way they are playing now.
~ :-Xsk
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Post by Talison on Feb 9, 2007 13:31:27 GMT -5
Yeah, COTG Desktop is great, That's my point. I have it already. I paid nothing for it. I don't see what your offering on top of it to make it worth paying for.
And let me clarify. I was expecting a non-website bound downloadable or CD Rom program similar to COTG Desktop. Where I still would have had to type in the info myself, but the program would be licenced, official, supported, regularly updated, and most importantly on my hard drive. I would have paid for that in a heartbeat, for a number of reasons. Understand that locking it to a website hinders people taht may still have dial up or even the rare people who don't have an online connection. And again, I can't think of any other point of view, having to buy characters I already own is a major turn off. I'm kind of glad I don't play aCe. If it became COTG-Online exclusive then I would probably stop playing out of protest for having to buy somthing I didn't want just to keep playing it. I don't see how that's taking care of the fans. New product should be optional.
I understand there is a need for profits. I understand the need to reach out to new buyers. This product may be great for the new buyer. It's showing a lot of problems for those who have been loyal to the existing product.
I don't see how black and white art on cardstock is dated. I do see how good art (color, b&w line or greyscale) is more important than color art. Most roleplaying games have gone to full color art. Many have very high quality full color art. Many others have terrible art that happens to be in color. I've always been happy that the product I've bought from Filsinger have had good art regardless of the format.
I understand the legallities on bringing in Legends. As long as you understand part of the market does play Legends exclusively or at least more than COTG. And with my existing COTG Desktop set up I can play Champions vs. Legends.
Anyway, the stat tracker sounds cool. It's what got me excited to begin with. But the simulator still just seems like paying for something I already have.
I could be wrong. And that leads to a good question. I'm baseing these opinions on what I've read about the product. Will there be any sort of free demo that shows a potential buyer what the simulator does exactly? Cause that could change a lot of minds.
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Post by krisosk on Feb 9, 2007 16:27:41 GMT -5
I don't see what your offering on top of it to make it worth paying for. See my initial reply to your post in this thread. The mentioned additions that COTGonline is offering might not appeal to you personally, but we'd hope they might appeal to some members of the core audience. Understand that locking it to a website hinders people taht may still have dial up or even the rare people who don't have an online connection. And on the same token, please understand that COTGonline is web-based for a number of reasons. See this excerpt from the Q & A session: 18-Jan, 22:44:00 [tystates] Was there ever thought, talk, or work on a traditional computer game to be bought and installed on your own pc instead of going the online route?
18-Jan, 22:44:25 [BDS] Answering...
18-Jan, 22:44:42 [BDS] We thought about it, but we decided to go with the online model because of the benefits that it offers.
18-Jan, 22:45:05 [BDS] It's much easier to update and much easier to administer behind the scenes.
18-Jan, 22:45:56 [BDS] Plus, more and more people get broadband year after year, which makes applications like this much more feasible today than they were even two years ago. And then the follow-up post on this Board: Broadband was mentioned as more people getting it all the time, I've never had broadband in my life. Is dial-up going to be a problem playing the game? No, it won't be a problem. As with anything that you do over the internet, a dial-up connection might slow you down a little bit in loading things up, but once the Flash is loaded, you should be in good shape. The Flash is a client-side application, so it all gets loaded into memory in your browser, meaning connection speed is a non-factor short of loading the game. I understand there is a need for profits. I understand the need to reach out to new buyers. This product may be great for the new buyer. As has been explained, that is the primary function of the product. Our goal is to make COTG "great" and attractive to a new audience. If that sparks sales in the traditional game, then that is more than welcome too. Overall, we hope that COTGonline and all the features it includes will strengthen and enhance the game experience, not hinder it. It's showing a lot of problems for those who have been loyal to the existing product. Unfortanately, not every single person will be 100% pleased with what is being offered. But, remember there is always the option to purchase the Stat Tracker as an individual product. If you're satisfied with using CotG Desktop as your method of play (or prefer rolling the dice and using the traditional cards) so be it. Not sure how that would create any problems. If your system works, keep on using it. If your system will be enhanced by using COTGonline, then use it. Just please know that it was always designed from the point of view of loyal game fans (including Tom Filsinger) first, and professionals second. Most roleplaying games have gone to full color art. In my estimation, most roleplaying games have gone this route (or are simply created in full color) for a reason. This is also the case for COTGonline. Many have very high quality full color art. Hopefully we're headed in this direction. The response thus far to the colored art has been overwhelmingly positive. I understand the legallities on bringing in Legends. As long as you understand part of the market does play Legends exclusively or at least more than COTG. I have a feeling Tom Filsinger is aware of that. Anyway, the stat tracker sounds cool. It's what got me excited to begin with. Well that's refreshing news!  The Stat Tracker promises to be AWESOME. Will there be any sort of free demo that shows a potential buyer what the simulator does exactly? Cause that could change a lot of minds. Absolutely. There will be a free demo version available to play prior to launch. It will exist post-launch so potential new players can check out how the COTG game works. That will hopefully lead to more Online subscribtions OR more Promoters playing the traditional paper game. Either way would be fantastic! Anyone reading along might want to check out the Q & A transcript for more info and details on COTGonline here: cotg.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=online&action=display&thread=1169241365~ :-Xsk |
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Post by Talison on Feb 9, 2007 16:48:42 GMT -5
Well, I thank you for answering my questions. The reason i say it creates problems for existing players is that we've all been waiting faithfully for a computer version of COTG. Now, if you are an existing player, you have to buy things over again if you want to use it. Sorry to keep harping on that, but I think it's an issue. For me, as a player and someone with a limited game budget, it's a major red flag. It really says to me, "This product is not for those who have been loyal to us."
Not sure what your comment about it not being designed for professionals means.
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Post by krisosk on Feb 9, 2007 17:12:25 GMT -5
Oh, just saying that the COTGonline staff are/were game fans first, and professionals second.
A silly way of saying we tried to design things for the perspective of the core audience, as we are part of that audience, and we too have been waiting for a long time for an official COTG "computer game."
~ :-Xsk
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Post by blueraider2 on Feb 9, 2007 18:01:27 GMT -5
Well, I thank you for answering my questions. The reason i say it creates problems for existing players is that we've all been waiting faithfully for a computer version of COTG. Now, if you are an existing player, you have to buy things over again if you want to use it. Sorry to keep harping on that, but I think it's an issue. For me, as a player and someone with a limited game budget, it's a major red flag. It really says to me, "This product is not for those who have been loyal to us." Not sure what your comment about it not being designed for professionals means. love your avatar talison. |
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The Stat Tracker promises to be AWESOME.