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[mft]

DMK, remember these words (especially when you have kids and are married):

If you are under 30 and aren't liberal, you have no heart...if you are over 30 and aren't conservative, you have no mind.

I get young kids trying to be idealistic and believing all of the hysteria (the myths of heterosexual AIDS, global warming, population booms, etc) put out by the left, MTV, etc and wanting to change the world, thinking people deserve a second chance...I don't blame ya one bit. You're young and trying to find your way and more power to ya!

It's the people over 30 that are married and have kids that still have these views that scare the living daylights out of me.

[Hegemony]

mft said:

DMK, remember these words (especially when you have kids and are married):

If you are under 30 and aren't liberal, you have no heart...if you are over 30 and aren't conservative, you have no mind.

I get young kids trying to be idealistic and believing all of the hysteria (the myths of heterosexual AIDS, global warming, population booms, etc) put out by the left, MTV, etc and wanting to change the world, thinking people deserve a second chance...I don't blame ya one bit. You're young and trying to find your way and more power to ya!

It's the people over 30 that are married and have kids that still have these views that scare the living daylights out of me.

The myths of the liberals like global warming, heterosexual AIDS, overpopulation, etc. Hilarious!

I have to laugh, because if not your post would scare the living you-know-what out of me. Wow.

[bmurderh8s]

Heterosexual aids? Huh. You're gonna have to explain that one to me.


As far as being conservative or liberal, I think both sides lie as much as the other. it's my opinion that a person should strive to find themselves somewhere in the middle. It's never good to be too extreme to one side or the other.

Global warming? Hmmn. Thats a tough one. i think it's actually a natural cycle, and we're in that particular cycle. Whether or not thats a good thing or a bad thing, I couldn't tell you. There's no denying that we have polluted the Earth. We cause a lot of our own problems.

[mft]

bmurderh8s said:

Heterosexual aids? Huh. You're gonna have to explain that one to me.

Global warming? Hmmn. Thats a tough one. i think it's actually a natural cycle, and we're in that particular cycle. Whether or not thats a good thing or a bad thing, I couldn't tell you. There's no denying that we have polluted the Earth. We cause a lot of our own problems.

Heterosexual AIDS. 20 years ago, health officials were scared to death to classify this as a "gay disease" (and to be honest, there are some heterosexual who has it, although the vast majority of them are drug users who caught it from shooting up).

Thus, their campaign of "everyone can get AIDS". Problem is, 20 years later, the facts haven't backed it up one bit. The % of heterosexual, non drug using AIDS cases hasn't increased at all.

So instead of "hurting the feelings" of the gay community, they've actually did them a great disservice by not giving them the truth.

Global warming...DMK, you are on the right path. The Earth is millions of years old and has gone thru constant cycles. Our space in the time of Earth is the tinniest "blip". So how do we even know this is what the mean temperature is supposed to be?

I'm not saying if it's true or not, but most of the news out there is VERY left leaning and only give you the idea that all scientists believe that's the case. That's a lie and the media is providing their viewers/readers a great disservice by not EVER giving you both sides of the debate.

So while Gore claimed Bush "preyed on our fears"..I call him on it doing the same on "global warming".

In the 70s-80s, I wish I could remember the book, but it was about over population. This caused Europeans (and some socialist Americans) to panic and quit having kids. Well, now that has been disproven and the economy of Europe is on a serious downside...that may cause the downfall of their country in the next 50 years because there are no younger people out there. That's one of the reason's many European countries have been so accepting of Muslims immigrants is because they need the people.

Hell, Russia is starting to offer people money to have kids because their future looks so bleak.

I admit I may be wrong, but when it comes to hysteria, I only believe in facts I see.

[offspring515]

I never did like debating anything with Trav because he's always got his pat answer. I can't opine on this until I have kids....I remember when he and I were debating affirmative action I couldn't talk on it until I "go out to every white business owner in your community and tell him that you don't deserve the same opportunities as black people" or something along those lines. He's always got some outrageous goal that has to be met before he'll see your opinion as valid.

Also, when it comes to politics he's pretty far out there. I'd LOVE to hear how heterosexual AIDS is a myth...and one of my good friends from high school who got AIDS from heterosexual sex and died from it would probably really like to hear that one too. Seriously, I bet it's a laugh riot!

I don't know enough about Global Warming or Population booms to really comment (perhaps I should fly up to the ozone layer and tell it that I shouldn't have the same rights as black people...wait...I'm confusing the issues here.)

Of course in this very thread Trav admitted finding "Only Fags Hate Bush" to be the very height of wit so....consider the source is the best thought that comes to mind for me.

[mft]

offspring515 said:

Also, when it comes to politics he's pretty far out there. I'd LOVE to hear how heterosexual AIDS is a myth...and one of my good friends from high school who got AIDS from heterosexual sex and died from it would probably really like to hear that one too. Seriously, I bet it's a laugh riot!
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IF you read my post, I said no heterosexual has never gotten AIDS. I said it's a myth that it would be on par with the gay community.

But thanks for the rest of the compliments

[mft]

offspring515 said:

I never did like debating anything with Trav because he's always got his pat answer. I can't opine on this until I have kids....I remember when he and I were debating affirmative action I couldn't talk on it until I "go out to every white business owner in your community and tell him that you don't deserve the same opportunities as black people" or something along those lines. He's always got some outrageous goal that has to be met before he'll see your opinion as valid.
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You lost me there offspring

[offspring515]

Oh hell, I hate to get into this further after I've already vented but....

A long, long time ago...may have been a year or so there was a discussion on the board that brought up affirmative action. You were arguing against it, and I was arguing that it has some benefits.

Your response to me was something along the lines of "Well you don't know what it's all about" or "you're too young to have dealt with it" or something like that. You followed up with "You should go out to every white business owner in your neighborhood and tell them that blacks should get special treatment over you when it comes to jobs etc etc" or something like that.

You then told me to go do that, and then come back and talk to you. And I've seen you say similar things to other people in the past. You put some ridiculous task out there and say "well if you haven't done this, you aren't qualified to speak on it."

[bmurderh8s]

offspring515 said:

I never did like debating anything with Trav because he's always got his pat answer. I can't opine on this until I have kids....I remember when he and I were debating affirmative action I couldn't talk on it until I "go out to every white business owner in your community and tell him that you don't deserve the same opportunities as black people" or something along those lines. He's always got some outrageous goal that has to be met before he'll see your opinion as valid.

Also, when it comes to politics he's pretty far out there. I'd LOVE to hear how heterosexual AIDS is a myth...and one of my good friends from high school who got AIDS from heterosexual sex and died from it would probably really like to hear that one too. Seriously, I bet it's a laugh riot!

I don't know enough about Global Warming or Population booms to really comment (perhaps I should fly up to the ozone layer and tell it that I shouldn't have the same rights as black people...wait...I'm confusing the issues here.)

Of course in this very thread Trav admitted finding "Only Fags Hate Bush" to be the very height of wit so....consider the source is the best thought that comes to mind for me.

Wait..huh? So as a straight man I can't catch HIV unless I'm stuck with an infected needle?! That does sound pretty outrageous. I don't think anyone can dispute that the disease first started spreading throughout the gay community...but to say that only homosexuals can catch the disease through sex is, well..I dunno.

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[offspring515]

Also, your second post was put up while I was typing my post. Hence the hetero aids myth thing....I still think that Aids should be seen as a problem of everyone, even if it affects those silly "fags" you're so fond of more than us straight people

[mft]

bmurderh8s said:

offspring515 said:

I never did like debating anything with Trav because he's always got his pat answer. I can't opine on this until I have kids....I remember when he and I were debating affirmative action I couldn't talk on it until I "go out to every white business owner in your community and tell him that you don't deserve the same opportunities as black people" or something along those lines. He's always got some outrageous goal that has to be met before he'll see your opinion as valid.

Also, when it comes to politics he's pretty far out there. I'd LOVE to hear how heterosexual AIDS is a myth...and one of my good friends from high school who got AIDS from heterosexual sex and died from it would probably really like to hear that one too. Seriously, I bet it's a laugh riot!

I don't know enough about Global Warming or Population booms to really comment (perhaps I should fly up to the ozone layer and tell it that I shouldn't have the same rights as black people...wait...I'm confusing the issues here.)

Of course in this very thread Trav admitted finding "Only Fags Hate Bush" to be the very height of wit so....consider the source is the best thought that comes to mind for me.

Wait..huh? So as a straight man I can't catch HIV unless I'm stuck with an infected needle?! That does sound pretty outrageous. I don't think anyone can dispute that the disease first started spreading throughout the gay community...but to say that only homosexuals can catch the disease through sex is, well..I dunno.

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DMK...read above. I didnt' say that at all. I said it was a myth that the health officials were going around saying this disease doesn't discriminate, yet we've yet to see a rise in the non drug using, straight population. That isn't saying any "non gay or non drug user" has ever caught it

[mft]

offspring515 said:

Oh hell, I hate to get into this further after I've already vented but....

A long, long time ago...may have been a year or so there was a discussion on the board that brought up affirmative action. You were arguing against it, and I was arguing that it has some benefits.

Your response to me was something along the lines of "Well you don't know what it's all about" or "you're too young to have dealt with it" or something like that. You followed up with "You should go out to every white business owner in your neighborhood and tell them that blacks should get special treatment over you when it comes to jobs etc etc" or something like that.

You then told me to go do that, and then come back and talk to you. And I've seen you say similar things to other people in the past. You put some ridiculous task out there and say "well if you haven't done this, you aren't qualified to speak on it."

At least you said it only has "some benefits".

[offspring515]

Yeah, because that same topic brought up the fact that I see shades of grey and you only see things in black and white....ahhhh memories.

[mft]

offspring515 said:

Yeah, because that same topic brought up the fact that I see shades of grey and you only see things in black and white....ahhhh memories.

haha...I do remember that now!!! Damn, that was a long time ago!

[bmurderh8s]

I have heard that it is harder for a heterosexual to catch aids from a women..or something like that.


Maybe I misread it, but it does sound like you said that the majority of aids cases are from homosexuals and the rare heterosexuak that has it, caught it from infected needles and that cases of them catching it hasn't increased at the same rate as the cases with homosexuals.

[offspring515]

Indeed. Most things on the boards slip right by me but that topic stuck in my mind. Probably my first "confrontation" here.

I bet Mark didn't think his balls would bring up this much debate.

Wait.....that came out all wrong.

[Hegemony]

Please do some research concering HOW one contracts AIDS before classifying it a gay disease. And to suggest that the "hurt feelings" of the gay community were at any point a concern is laughable, considering the rhetoric in the 80s was to minimize the fear the disease caused by localizing it to the gay community. I also am infuriated that some one can still consider this a disease that impacts only those of a particular sexual orientation, considering I personally have seen a "straight" person waste away from this disease after having intercourse with a member of the opposite sex.

To suggest that the "liberal media" is responsible for these myths is also hilarious when you consider that the deregulation of the media industry was spearheaded by the conservative right, thus ensuring the conglomeration we currently endure. These major corporations have benefitted far more from the Right and to suggest that they are biased to the Left ignores the industrial processes that govern the entire media industry. Every diversionary tactic employed by the media to take attention away from the disconnect between our government's military actions in the world is possible due to the fact that only a few corporations decide what the news agenda will be. And I would hope you wouldn't suggest that these huge corporations are more affiliated with the Left than the Right, especially considering it was Reagan's deregulatory policies that allowed this oligopoly to emerge.

And the very idea that the Left, moreso than the Right, preys on the fears of the populace is to ignore the rhetoric of "terrorism" that dictates the policies of the current administration. The invasion of Iraq was predicated on the very fearmongering you criticize the Left for.

And your choice of data for the overpopulation argument is grossly ignoring the worldwide locales of overpopulation in Asia and Africa where the population is growing exponentially.

Finally, the hysteria you speak of is encouraged by those in power to ensure continual support. Notice the number of 9/11 references in any discourse relating to the war in Iraq, ensuring the connection remains present despite the lack of supporting evidence.

[offspring515]

Ugh, are you guys going to get deeper into the politics? Can't we just talk about fake testes and cussing 4 year olds and years old threads? Isn't that what life is really all about anyhow?

[mft]

hegemony said:

And your choice of data for the overpopulation argument is grossly ignoring the worldwide locales of overpopulation in Asia and Africa where the population is growing exponentially.

Finally, the hysteria you speak of is encouraged by those in power to ensure continual support. Notice the number of 9/11 references in any discourse relating to the war in Iraq, ensuring the connection remains present despite the lack of supporting evidence.

I always find it funny, and forgive me for sounding cruel, but how to people starving have the energy for all of the sex!?!? It seems like they would be smart enough to realize, "Damn, we're hungry, why in the hell do we keep brining kids in the world!"

Hmm....I don't see the people making connections with 9/11 and Iraq. that's usually your sides rhetoric. Iraq was more of a preemptive strike to prevent another 9/11.

Good arguments though hegemony, but damn...I wish you would quit your griping against Swarm and Payback and the damn cotg crap. I'm no buddies of theirs, but crap....get over it dude!!!

[Hegemony]

mft said:

bmurderh8s said:

Wait..huh? So as a straight man I can't catch HIV unless I'm stuck with an infected needle?! That does sound pretty outrageous. I don't think anyone can dispute that the disease first started spreading throughout the gay community...but to say that only homosexuals can catch the disease through sex is, well..I dunno.

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DMK...read above. I didnt' say that at all. I said it was a myth that the health officials were going around saying this disease doesn't discriminate, yet we've yet to see a rise in the non drug using, straight population. That isn't saying any "non gay or non drug user" has ever caught it

That's because the disease is transmitted through the blood, and anal sex has a greater propensity to induce tears that bleed. News flash: Heterosexual couples and Homosexual couples engage in this practice. Are you ready to dictate to people around the world the "proper" way to experience pleasure. What makes you qualified to serve in this capacity?