"Vulgar vehicle decorations" in Maryland

[traviz]

bmurderh8s said:

hegemony said:

Dude, Iraq did NOT attack us.

Quoted for truth.

I always thought it was funny that the excuse to go into Iraq was that it was a preemptive strike to prevent another 911, even though it was widley known that we had blown that entire country back into the stone age during Desert Storm.

But they were able to get congress on their side with the story of the magically disappearing WMDs.

The whole Iraq situation is a big mess. It hasn't gotten any better in the 4/5 years we've been over there, yet Bush wants to send more troops to into the country. it's a losing situation. And the more time that goes by the more troops we lose, and for what?!?! What are we really fighting for over there? If its to fight terrorism, shouldn't we be in Afghanistan instead?

You'll notice that we had full evidence that North Korea had nukes, but we didn't pull a pre emptive strike on them. why is that? Especially considering the guy they have in charge is certifiable and the government spreads anti American propaganda.

You kinda left out the part where mft mentioned that pretty much ALL of the intelligence agencies of the World believed they were hiding WMDs. The Bush admin was not the first to point fingers at Iraq.

P.S We ARE in Afghanistan.

[offspring515]

No Hegemony.

[Hegemony]

bmurderh8s said:

hegemony said:

Dude, Iraq did NOT attack us.

Quoted for truth.

I always thought it was funny that the excuse to go into Iraq was that it was a preemptive strike to prevent another 911, even though it was widley known that we had blown that entire country back into the stone age during Desert Storm.

But they were able to get congress on their side with the story of the magically disappearing WMDs.

The whole Iraq situation is a big mess. It hasn't gotten any better in the 4/5 years we've been over there, yet Bush wants to send more troops to into the country. it's a losing situation. And the more time that goes by the more troops we lose, and for what?!?! What are we really fighting for over there? If its to fight terrorism, shouldn't we be in Afghanistan instead?

You'll notice that we had full evidence that North Korea had nukes, but we didn't pull a pre emptive strike on them. why is that? Especially considering the guy they have in charge is certifiable and the government spreads anti American propaganda.

The difficulty is that this is a war of ideology, and no amount of military victory is going to change the perception of this country to those who are hostile towards it. Rather than trying to eliminate an indeterminate number of "bad guys" we would be better served in my opinion to explore the reasons for terrorist attacks and engage these issues. It is not as simple as we are the good guys and they are outright evil, no matter what many seem to suggest.

[traviz]

I agree...we seriously need to sit down with Osama and ask him " What did we do to make you mad at us?"

[mft]

traviz said:

bmurderh8s said:

Quoted for truth.

I always thought it was funny that the excuse to go into Iraq was that it was a preemptive strike to prevent another 911, even though it was widley known that we had blown that entire country back into the stone age during Desert Storm.

But they were able to get congress on their side with the story of the magically disappearing WMDs.

The whole Iraq situation is a big mess. It hasn't gotten any better in the 4/5 years we've been over there, yet Bush wants to send more troops to into the country. it's a losing situation. And the more time that goes by the more troops we lose, and for what?!?! What are we really fighting for over there? If its to fight terrorism, shouldn't we be in Afghanistan instead?

You'll notice that we had full evidence that North Korea had nukes, but we didn't pull a pre emptive strike on them. why is that? Especially considering the guy they have in charge is certifiable and the government spreads anti American propaganda.

You kinda left out the part where mft mentioned that pretty much ALL of the intelligence agencies of the World believed they were hiding WMDs. The Bush admin was not the first to point fingers at Iraq.

P.S We ARE in Afghanistan.

LOL...just so everyone knows...some of my favorite quotes of all times....


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Now I know Bush is stupid and all (as everyone claims), but damn, I really can't believe he fooled all of those guys and gals, even when he wasn't in office. I always found that just remarkable!

[mft]

traviz said:

I agree...we seriously need to sit down with Osama and ask him " What did we do to make you mad at us?"

As I think, we need to sit down with rapists, murderers and child molesters and ask them, "Why did you rape, murder or molest that child."

That'll get to the bottom of it....

[offspring515]

Ummm, getting the answers to those questions could help us spot rapists, murderers etc in the making and get them help before they do such things.


But I know, wanting anything less than the death penalty for criminals makes me a gooshy ol' liberal!

[Hegemony]

I wish the world was as black and white as you guys see it.

[offspring515]

Trav can only see in black and white.

The wonders of color television are lost on him.

I guess he sees red too.

[mft]

offspring515 said:

Trav can only see in black and white.

The wonders of color television are lost on him.

Hey hegemony must like black and white as well...he's the one who hates cotgonline and is crying for the black and white cards! ;D

[offspring515]

I should have been typing up my latest show instead of all this. I hope you're all happy that my dozens and dozens...well, my 4 or 5 fans will be unhappy now.

[traviz]

Only an America-hating liberal would rather have paper cards than good ol' on-line action.

Ok, I admit it, I'm out of wit.

[offspring515]

I'm surprised Hegemony even has enough time to play, what with the flag burnings and all.

[traviz]

Sgt. Slaughter would be ashamed!

[bmurderh8s]

traviz said:

bmurderh8s said:

Quoted for truth.

I always thought it was funny that the excuse to go into Iraq was that it was a preemptive strike to prevent another 911, even though it was widley known that we had blown that entire country back into the stone age during Desert Storm.

But they were able to get congress on their side with the story of the magically disappearing WMDs.

The whole Iraq situation is a big mess. It hasn't gotten any better in the 4/5 years we've been over there, yet Bush wants to send more troops to into the country. it's a losing situation. And the more time that goes by the more troops we lose, and for what?!?! What are we really fighting for over there? If its to fight terrorism, shouldn't we be in Afghanistan instead?

You'll notice that we had full evidence that North Korea had nukes, but we didn't pull a pre emptive strike on them. why is that? Especially considering the guy they have in charge is certifiable and the government spreads anti American propaganda.

You kinda left out the part where mft mentioned that pretty much ALL of the intelligence agencies of the World believed they were hiding WMDs. The Bush admin was not the first to point fingers at Iraq.

P.S We ARE in Afghanistan.

We aren't in Afghanistan in the same way we're in Iraq. Sending more troops to Iraq isn't going to win us this war. We're fighting an "invisible" enemy and a belief system. We can't win this war in the traditional sense. We're spread so thin because of all this that we're hurting our own country rather than helping it.

where did those WMD s go then? You can't easily hide weapons like that, especially when we have eyes all over that country. Where did they go?!? The WMDs arguement certainly appears at this point to have been a means to an end. A military occuaption of the middle east, and to assure all of Bush's buddies a big pay day when the government pays out all those weapons contracts.

[mft]

ohh DMK...everyone is past that!

[Hegemony]

mft said:

offspring515 said:

Trav can only see in black and white.

The wonders of color television are lost on him.

Hey hegemony must like black and white as well...he's the one who hates cotgonline and is crying for the black and white cards! ;D

Nice one mft.

[Hegemony]

offspring515 said:

I'm surprised Hegemony even has enough time to play, what with the flag burnings and all.

This is my vote for "Post of the Year".

[offspring515]

Seriously Hegemony, I don't think you're a commie or anything but if you changed your name to Hegemony the Red and called everyone comrade from now on it would be awesome.

Sweet gimmick for the poster battle royal eh? Eh?

[mft]

Eh, I like my one about you crying about the black and white cards! ;D