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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jul 27, 2006 0:08:56 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong at all. I am in no position to provide parenting tips as I have no want for any of my own currently. But I am a firm believer in the fact that as long as your kids feel comfortable enough to be honest about what they're up to that you should make sure they do so in the safest way possible. trust me punisher...that view will change once you do have kids. Plus, no matter how much rhetoric about "safe sex" you hear, there is no such thing as "safe sex". Aye. But there's a LARGE segment of society that thinks that if you don't talk about sex, your kids won't do it. We're supposed to say guns are bad, drugs are bad, gangs are bad, alcohol is bad, etc., but we don't talk about sex because it'll make our kids wanna bang the bajeesus out of someone. I have a kid, and I'm aware of the statistics on safe sex. I'm also aware of the statistics on how well abstinence-only sex education works out. Ignoring the utility of birth control and condoms (seperated from the various forms of birth control due to its effectiveness against spreading disease) only leads to more abortions, spread STDs, etc...because it's overactive hormones that lead to kids having sex. And the difference between educated kids having sex and uneducated kids having sex is, very often, STDs, unwanted pregnancies and abortions. So my plan as a parent is to teach my son to be as responsible as possible, and hope he doesn't go around banging everything that moves and getting them knocked up, moving from one to another, or getting a disease...but I also realize that odds are, his hormones will get the better of him, and he'll wind up having sex. And I'll sleep better at night if he's properly educated about (and not ingnorant or scared off) sex, birth control, condoms, responsibility, etc. EDIT: I thought the above seemed like an interesting topic, and I opted to have it moved to its own, for what should be obvious reasons. |
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Post by ThePunisher on Jul 27, 2006 0:11:05 GMT -5
I wasn't looking forward to getting into this but that's basically my reasoning.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jul 27, 2006 0:12:45 GMT -5
Wasn't trying to start anything other than a bit of friendly discussion. Just providing a counterpoint, as a parent, to Trav's thoughts.
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Post by ThePunisher on Jul 27, 2006 0:17:57 GMT -5
If you haven't read Freakonomics, it cites the legalization of abortion as being the reason the 90's crime wave never rose to its potential.
Pretty interesting.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jul 27, 2006 0:22:16 GMT -5
Nice. I'll have to check that out.
Personally, I'm thinking we should absolutely encourage birth control as often as possible, because the fewer people procreating, the better off society will be.
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Post by ThePunisher on Jul 27, 2006 0:28:48 GMT -5
Yea, things are getting a bit crowded.
I had an Earth Science teacher who once said the world was engineered for one human.
I have no idea where that's from. He just made the point.
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Post by gwffantrav on Jul 27, 2006 1:20:39 GMT -5
But Tommy, you never heard me say don't talk about sex with your kids. Just don't let those fools from MTV and those group fool ya. Their goal is to have every kid rebel against their parent.
I suggest one good way is to have your kid volunteer at an AIDS shelter or a shelter for unwanted kids.
I'm done...have fun the rest of the conversation.
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Post by butters on Jul 27, 2006 1:31:49 GMT -5
If you haven't read Freakonomics, it cites the legalization of abortion as being the reason the 90's crime wave never rose to its potential. Pretty interesting. Let's not oversimplify the argument of the authors, please. That's *a* reason. Levitt and Dubner (2005) argued that it was the legalization of abortion along with more police, increases in the prison population, the receding crack epidemic, reduction in exposure to lead, and cultural changes that caused the crime drop. Besides, it wasn't really so much the legalization of abortion, as the product of "less unwanted children." |
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Post by ThePunisher on Jul 28, 2006 1:02:52 GMT -5
If you haven't read Freakonomics, it cites the legalization of abortion as being the reason the 90's crime wave never rose to its potential. Pretty interesting. Let's not oversimplify the argument of the authors, please. That's *a* reason. Levitt and Dubner (2005) argued that it was the legalization of abortion along with more police, increases in the prison population, the receding crack epidemic, reduction in exposure to lead, and cultural changes that caused the crime drop. Besides, it wasn't really so much the legalization of abortion, as the product of "less unwanted children." It was the main argument they used to support the disappearing act of crime. Yes there were those others but considering its been a while since I read (well actually listened to it), and I have about a billion other things going since then that I "oversimplified." The Klan section was very interesting as well. Freakonomics tangent beginning. |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Jul 28, 2006 7:06:57 GMT -5
A tangent to a thread that was already founded in another thread's tangent?  Actually, we might have a(n old) Freakanomics thread in the Books section. |
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Post by gwffantrav on Jul 28, 2006 13:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by Omen on Jul 29, 2006 0:27:09 GMT -5
It's not just sex...It's teaching them well like the old CSNY song said...Look at what has happened since that song came out and you can see that this generation has dropped the ball ...I could point to this that and the other thing but the truth is ...The future has been forfeited for the present...Think about that!
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jul 29, 2006 4:17:02 GMT -5
I heard part of an NPR program called "The Infinite Mind" the other night on my drive home about multitasking and how dividing your attention makes you do everything worse. Parenting was one of the examples given. One of the child psychologists they had on said that in his long-term studies, when a child realizes early on that Mom and/or Dad is ignoring them because their head's in the computer, cell phone, Blackberry, TV, or whatever and not on whatever small (to the parent) but huge (to the kid) incident, that the kid will stop coming to the parent and opening up to them about anything, causing obvious problems later on when you want them to talk to you about sex, drugs, smoking, etc. Definitely made me think hard about how I am around my kids, because I know there are moments where I say, "I'll be able to do that in a minute, bud. Just hang on for me, okay?" And who knows when I actually get around to doing whatever it was he wanted to do, sometimes not at all. Try as I might to do the right thing, sometimes I fail. As do all of us.
So we gotta work at this parenting thing. Not dropping the ball is so unbelievably important.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jul 29, 2006 8:08:37 GMT -5
l. Try as I might to do the right thing, sometimes I fail. As do all of us. So we gotta work at this parenting thing. Not dropping the ball is so unbelievably important. As a new parent, that is one of my biggest fears: My own selfishness shutting my son out. You are so correct. parenting is so important, and many many people I see do not make it seem as such. I will certainly try to get my kids to avoid sex unitl they are at an age when they can handle the emotional and potential financial responsibilites, but I will certianly educate them beforehand. I just hope they feel comfortable enough to come to me.  |
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Post by offspring515 on Jul 29, 2006 9:25:32 GMT -5
Seeing the intelligent, mature responses to this issue, I'm glad to be a member of this community yet again. Great COTG players, and good parents to boot  |
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Post by gwffantrav on Jul 29, 2006 10:45:02 GMT -5
So we gotta work at this parenting thing. Not dropping the ball is so unbelievably important. How right ya are Mark! You know, I've found myself on the computer before and my little guy will say, "Play animals?" I'll do that wait a sec and I gotta slap myself in the head. I'm actually trying something new. I'm going to try no electronic day. No movies, no internet, no phone. Just more of a social interaction day. Playing games all day, drawing, "play animals"...things like that |
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