Political Quiz - How conservative/liberal are you?

[mft]

aaron168 said:

12 - Ultra-Progressive
6 - Economic Moderate
4 - Libertarian-leaning
11 - Militarist

Traditional Democrat

Joe Biden - 81%
Chris Dodd - 75%
John McCain - 75%
Barack Obama - 69%

Although I should note that the "militarist" score really came from my belief as a neo-realist in that the United States should go into countries IF they have a national interest there, not that they should take action unilaterally as they please. (Damn, I sound just like that Richardson article I read only today, but I swear that's what I've always felt...)

Aaron, that's your real conservative side coming out. Once the stench of law school and college goes away, you'll be voting GOP again when you hit 30.

[Trent Lawless]

I'll have you know that Chewey's already voted Republican recently at least once. Because believe it or not, I did the same thing.

[Shon Maxx]

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As for my closest, I got Bidden, Obama, Dodd, and Edwards.

Obama's the only one out of the 4 I know anything about. No complaints there. As long as I didn't get Huckabee or Clinton.



Take care,

Jay

[Chewey]

That's because I don't vote by party lines... I vote for the best party on the ticket.

Just so happens that the Democrat is often the better candidate.

Besides, Trav, you're only basing off my high militarist score. Let's not forget that I scored a 12/12 on the progressive scale.

[azfan]

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Romney is closest candidate to me, it says

[mft]

aaron168 said:

That's because I don't vote by party lines... I vote for the best party on the ticket.

Just so happens that the Democrat is often the better candidate.

Besides, Trav, you're only basing off my high militarist score. Let's not forget that I scored a 12/12 on the progressive scale.

My logic may be flawed on this Aaron, but I know you say you'd vote Obama, but you can't possibly believe he is a better candidate than McCain.

All I do is hear Dems say unite, blah blah, but McCain has done more to reach across the aisle than anyone imaginable.

You rarely see any Dems reach across the aisle (case in point, Supreme Court Justices. Ginsberg was a near unanimous vote, but was a former ACLU lawyer if I'm not mistake, while any of Bush's nominees...it was like Armageddon. I guess the Dem's are afraid their most holiest of sacraments, killing unborn babies, would be overturned since it's bad/faulty law anyways).

But in many findings, Obama is the most liberal guy in the Senate. So who is he going to try and unite? Yeah, he wants "Change" all right, just in favor of liberal policies.

But since he is such a smoooooooothhhhhh talker, people listen to what he says (nothing) because he is a good talker. Then again, so was Hitler and many other brutal dictators, but that's beside the point.

So if you say you vote for the better candidate, you can't possibly mean Obama over McCain. At least McCain tries to reach out and work on compromise. You, in all honesty, can't expect Obama to do remotely the same.

If the shoe was on the other foot, the most conservative candidate, most libs would be having a heart attack by now.

Unfortunately, while I don't agree with everything about McCain, I do think he is a man of honor and dignity, and while he could easily expose Obama for what he is (or for that matter Hilary, but we know what she is), I doubt you'd see McCain do it. I'm praying he does though....



...and just a thought, and Chewey at least answered my honestly. You take a room full of the most lowest, scummiest people in the world. Child molesters, rapists, killers, terrorists, felons of any kind....and put two machines in front of them. The machine on the left has a blue button on it. The machine on the right, a red button. You tell them if you push the button on the left, you vote for the Dem. You tell them if you push the button on the right, you vote for the Rep. Just curious, who do you think 99.5% of those pieces of scum are going to vote for??? Please be honest.....

And this isn't to classify that Dems are "scum", they just defend the "scum of the Earth".

[DMK II]

Whoa, MFT..did you just sorta compare Obama to Hitler? OMG. I;'m going to assume you were trying to make a point. But jeez man, not a good comparison.

We've been electing rich white old men in this country for over 200 years now, and I'm not going say it's a bad thing. But with our country in the state that it's currently in, I think it's time to at least try to move in a different direction.

McCain said something during a debate that will, in the general election, possibly come back to bite him in the ass. He mentioned a 100 year occupation in Iraq. Now if you don't think either Obama or Clinton won't be bringing that up every chance they get, then you haven't been paying attention. Thats a polarizing comment in a country that is getting tired of our occupation in Iraq.

Our country has some serious problems these days. Our Economy is going down the shitter real fast and all the while we're spending billions of dollars in Iraq. This is happening while people in our own country are losing their jobs and their homes, this is money that could go to help our own people, yet we're spending it on another country.

The country is tired of "war", and McCain promises more of it. Now I'm not one who believes we can just totally pull out of Iraq. We've dug ourselves pretty deep, and Bush has basically left his mess in the hands of the next president. A mess that won't be easily cleaned up. We're trying to fight an ideology, and you can't change a person's beliefs with troop sourges. terrorism is a fact of life, and this is a war we can and will NEVER win, even if we "liberate" Iraq. These people have been killing each other for centuries, we aren't going to stop it.

You can saw what you want about Hillary, but it seems that the republicans for some reason are scared to death of her. For what reason I don't know.


I'll be voting Democrat this election for obvious reasons. If McCain is elected, expect more of the same.

[DMK II]

FYI, most of the fucking whackos in this world often come from far right wing religious fundamentalist families. And I'm being totally honest with myself here.

And about "killing" babies. These convervative pro-life idiots are the same people who are for the death penalty. Thats a fucking oxymoron. It makes no sense and contradicts itself.

[traviz]

dmk said:

And about "killing" babies. These convervative pro-life idiots are the same people who are for the death penalty. Thats a fucking oxymoron. It makes no sense and contradicts itself.

You're right. Killing innocent helpless babies because the mom doesn't have time for them is the exact same thing as killing a murderer or rapist.

Exact same thing.

[mft]

dmk said:

FYI, most of the fucking whackos in this world often come from far right wing religious fundamentalist families. And I'm being totally honest with myself here.

And about "killing" babies. These convervative pro-life idiots are the same people who are for the death penalty. Thats a fucking oxymoron. It makes no sense and contradicts itself.

Actually, I'm a fucking moron that likes innocent life, not felonous/guilty life. Big difference.

dmk said:

Whoa, MFT..did you just sorta compare Obama to Hitler? OMG. I;'m going to assume you were trying to make a point. But jeez man, not a good comparison.

and I bet you never "made a point" by comparing Bush to terrorists?!?!?

[Chewey]

mft said:

My logic may be flawed on this Aaron, but I know you say you'd vote Obama, but you can't possibly believe he is a better candidate than McCain.

All I do is hear Dems say unite, blah blah, but McCain has done more to reach across the aisle than anyone imaginable.

You rarely see any Dems reach across the aisle (case in point, Supreme Court Justices. Ginsberg was a near unanimous vote, but was a former ACLU lawyer if I'm not mistake, while any of Bush's nominees...it was like Armageddon. I guess the Dem's are afraid their most holiest of sacraments, killing unborn babies, would be overturned since it's bad/faulty law anyways).

But in many findings, Obama is the most liberal guy in the Senate. So who is he going to try and unite? Yeah, he wants "Change" all right, just in favor of liberal policies.

But since he is such a smoooooooothhhhhh talker, people listen to what he says (nothing) because he is a good talker. Then again, so was Hitler and many other brutal dictators, but that's beside the point.

So if you say you vote for the better candidate, you can't possibly mean Obama over McCain. At least McCain tries to reach out and work on compromise. You, in all honesty, can't expect Obama to do remotely the same.

If the shoe was on the other foot, the most conservative candidate, most libs would be having a heart attack by now.

Unfortunately, while I don't agree with everything about McCain, I do think he is a man of honor and dignity, and while he could easily expose Obama for what he is (or for that matter Hilary, but we know what she is), I doubt you'd see McCain do it. I'm praying he does though....



...and just a thought, and Chewey at least answered my honestly. You take a room full of the most lowest, scummiest people in the world. Child molesters, rapists, killers, terrorists, felons of any kind....and put two machines in front of them. The machine on the left has a blue button on it. The machine on the right, a red button. You tell them if you push the button on the left, you vote for the Dem. You tell them if you push the button on the right, you vote for the Rep. Just curious, who do you think 99.5% of those pieces of scum are going to vote for??? Please be honest.....

And this isn't to classify that Dems are "scum", they just defend the "scum of the Earth".

Wow. I don't know what put you in such a bad mood today, but while I have said that I liked Obama, I don't ever recall saying that I'd vote for him over McCain. At least not yet. Hell, I've even endorsed Mitt Romney as a guy who I think could lead this country from an economic perspective. Huckabee jokes aside, and my general preference of electing a Democrat after eight years of Republican administration, not sure what sparked this "I should be conservative" response up.

Maybe I should have said "That's because I don't vote by party lines... I vote for the side I prefer on each ticket."

For the record, you are probably right that a scummy lowlife probably wouldn't vote for the side that wants to permanently "suspend" habeas corpus, but if you were arrested and rotting in prison, wouldn't you want to at least have the right to ask the government why you were in prison?

And that doesn't necessarily mean that the other side is going to be your defender...

[mft]

dmk said:

The country is tired of "war", and McCain promises more of it.

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Actually, I'm tired of innocent people (American soldiers and citizens) begin killed by these muslim monsters for the last 25 years.

I would have been tired of seeing innocents Jews slaughtered back in the late 30s/early 40s.

I'm glad we stopped the majority of Communism to spread their killing around the world.

I guess you are the one who thinks we can talk with them (Muslim animals) correct (like your man Obama)?? Or we do nothing and keep having Americans getting killed, no matter what.

You sir are a moral fool

[mft]

aaron168 said:

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Wow. I don't know what put you in such a bad mood today, but while I have said that I liked Obama, I don't ever recall saying that I'd vote for him over McCain. At least not yet. Hell, I've even endorsed Mitt Romney as a guy who I think could lead this country from an economic perspective. Huckabee jokes aside, and my general preference of electing a Democrat after eight years of Republican administration, not sure what sparked this "I should be conservative" response up.

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Chewey, that is right...I do remember you saying that about Romney. And my apologies on lumping you in. It was a generalization.

[mft]

aaron168 said:

For the record, you are probably right that a scummy lowlife probably wouldn't vote for the side that wants to permanently "suspend" habeas corpus, but if you were arrested and rotting in prison, wouldn't you want to at least have the right to ask the government why you were in prison?

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I don't recall anyone from the GOP voting to suspend habeas corpus. The only thing I recall is the ACLU bitching about those muslim animals (non Americans), who were caught on the battlefield trying to kill Americans, sitting and rotting in prison.

That's the only ones I recall... those aren't Americans and the couple who are Americans were ones trying to help the enemy.

Correct?

[mft]

dmk said:

The country is tired of "war", and McCain promises more of it.

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This country is also tired of sending aid to every fucking third world country (which ends up stolen by those petty dictatorx), blowing mucho $$$ on fucking AIDS crap around the world....

But hey, you take the good with the bad, right DMK? Sorry if the US is the most moral country in the world (even if stiffs like you and Michael Moore pollute it)...so that includes war and sending aid to these countries.

You don't like the war, I don't like the foreign aid...but like I wrote, take the good with the bad. These countries want the good ol' US's help on their foreign aid, but sells us downt he river when it comes to war, or as you probably put it, illegally invading another country.

[Chewey]

mft said:

That's the only ones I recall... those aren't Americans and the couple who are Americans were ones trying to help the enemy.

Correct?

Try telling Mr. Hamdi (an American) that. His defense was that he was a relief worker who got picked up in the wrong side of combat. True? I don't know enough to judge. But we will never know, because he never had a chance to defend himself, and the Supreme Court stalled and deadlocked at a plurality decision, and Mr. Hamdi left the country instead of further litigating the matter.

mft said:

Sorry if the US is the most moral country in the world (even if stiffs like you and Michael Moore pollute it)...so that includes war and sending aid to these countries.

Nope. Not true. We're not the most moral country, and we don't need to be. We only need to focus on being the best country. Sometimes we have to engage in military intervention, and other times it's by sending aid. And sometimes we miscalculate, like Iraq where he did *not* have a proper interest before we went in, but now we do because we created one.

And I actually am not that concerned about building a democracy in Iraq (though it would be nice) because history shows that our military efforts to promote democracy have almost always failed, but we do have other interests in maintaining stability there. There's my Neo Realist/psuedo-militarist opinion for you.

[DMK II]

I was just going to leave it alone, and let your responses speak for themselves. But you've baited me into a reply.

I'd like to point out that I was just stating my beliefs, not trying to change your opinion. Now I don't want to start a flame war over this, especially on a board dedicated to a card and dice game.

We live in the USA, the richest country in the world, yet we have THEE highest poverty rate of any country in the free world. Do you see the problem here?! The rich get richer and poor get poorer. It's the American way.

Everyone has the take the good with the bad, but it's hard to swallow all the bullshit going on when it certainly appears as if our government doesn't have our best interest in mind. They seem to be more worried about other countries and their interests over there. We are being turned into a "third world consumer plantation".

Now I'm done.

[Chewey]

dmk said:

yet we have THEE highest poverty rate of any country in the free world.

I hate you so much (and DMK knows what I am talking about)..

[mft]

aaron168 said:

Try telling Mr. Hamdi (an American) that. His defense was that he was a relief worker who got picked up in the wrong side of combat. True? I don't know enough to judge. But we will never know, because he never had a chance to defend himself, and the Supreme Court stalled and deadlocked at a plurality decision, and Mr. Hamdi left the country instead of further litigating the matter.

One case?!!? And this proves the GOP is trying to permanently "suspend" habeas corpus!?!??

mft said:

Nope. Not true. We're not the most moral country, and we don't need to be. We only need to focus on being the best country. .

Actually a good point Aaron. While I have no doubt we are the most moral, I agree we need to keep focusing on being the best as well.

[mft]

dmk said:

IWe live in the USA, the richest country in the world, yet we have THEE highest poverty rate of any country in the free world. Do you see the problem here?! The rich get richer and poor get poorer. It's the American way.

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I would love to see proof of that DMK, besides getting it from a Left wing organization

I mean, after all, all of these immigrants are really breaking down the doors for every other free country in the world, correct??

(the exception is the Muslim terrorist animals who are trying to spread their fifth throughout Western Europe and trying hard to do so in the US. They are definitely not in it for the money)