Big Upsets

[mikefortune]

I was having a match last night and Alpha Force was having his 1st title defence against Scourge. I usually have champs have an easy 1st title defence. Any way Scourge pinned Alpha Force 5 times before Alpha even had his first pin on Scourge. All I kept thinking was noooooo. Alpha Force did win by pin but this was way to close. I did have 1 semi upset years ago when Beast-rider and Pulasr pinned the Blood Brothers for the I-G tag titles. I do love this game because of the chance that anybody can pretty much beat anybody depending on a die roll. So how many people have had curtain jerkers win a title by fluke.

[dukedave]

A title holder does not defend his title the first time out against a "curtain jerker". If the "curtain jerker" pulls off an upset in a non-title fight he may deserve a second match for the title. If he is not a top ranked contended he does not deserve a title shot right off the bat.

[geaux5000]

I remember I had Whiplash win a battle royal for a title shot against Alpha Force, which he ended up winning. He held the belt for something like 3 or 4 months before he dropped it to Star Warrior. Whiplash got his automatic rematch (in my feds, all champs who hold the belt more than 3 months get one, Whiplash had just barely made it), but he got injured in a tag match on the card before his rematch. Since it was so close and I had most of the other matches already scheduled for this supercard, i decided to let Darkos replace him with another Assassin, who ended up being Death Masque, who of course ended up beating Star Warrior. Death Masque then dropped the belt 2 months later (I forget who it was to, I think Chaos or Thantos) so he didn't get an automatic rematch. But for the better part of 6 months the Assassins were running around with the Galaxian Title. Pretty weird.

[Matt]

geaux5000 said:

I remember I had Whiplash win a battle royal for a title shot against Alpha Force, which he ended up winning. He held the belt for something like 3 or 4 months before he dropped it to Star Warrior. Whiplash got his automatic rematch (in my feds, all champs who hold the belt more than 3 months get one, Whiplash had just barely made it), but he got injured in a tag match on the card before his rematch. Since it was so close and I had most of the other matches already scheduled for this supercard, i decided to let Darkos replace him with another Assassin, who ended up being Death Masque, who of course ended up beating Star Warrior. Death Masque then dropped the belt 2 months later (I forget who it was to, I think Chaos or Thantos) so he didn't get an automatic rematch. But for the better part of 6 months the Assassins were running around with the Galaxian Title. Pretty weird.

Death Masque winning the Galactic Title is no upset.

[geaux5000]

matt said:

geaux5000 said:

I remember I had Whiplash win a battle royal for a title shot against Alpha Force, which he ended up winning. He held the belt for something like 3 or 4 months before he dropped it to Star Warrior. Whiplash got his automatic rematch (in my feds, all champs who hold the belt more than 3 months get one, Whiplash had just barely made it), but he got injured in a tag match on the card before his rematch. Since it was so close and I had most of the other matches already scheduled for this supercard, i decided to let Darkos replace him with another Assassin, who ended up being Death Masque, who of course ended up beating Star Warrior. Death Masque then dropped the belt 2 months later (I forget who it was to, I think Chaos or Thantos) so he didn't get an automatic rematch. But for the better part of 6 months the Assassins were running around with the Galaxian Title. Pretty weird.

Death Masque winning the Galactic Title is no upset.

He was good for me, but he never threatened for a non-replacement title match before or after....I guess that's why i qualified it as an upset.

[Matt]

geaux5000 said:

matt said:

Death Masque winning the Galactic Title is no upset.

He was good for me, but he never threatened for a non-replacement title match before or after....I guess that's why i qualified it as an upset.

Sorry, inside joke about my fed. I'm renowed for having Death Masque as a major player and champion in my GWF.

And yes, DM winning does qualify as an upset.

[geaux5000]

ahhhh, gotcha. For a second I thought maybe he had been a big underachiever for me or something...i was about to go look at his card.

[dukedave]

In 2119 all the PPV main events and the GWF title were dominated by Bloodline, Encubus, Endgame and Disaster. Towards the end of 2119 Kill Prey and Amazing Mann both went on a roll with both holding mutliple victories over Bloodline. Kill Prey got his shot at Disaster's GWF title at the Shadows PPV but came up short. The Master Race attacked Disaster after the bell. A still banged up Disaster had to defend the title at Moon Wars vs Amazing Mann who subsequently dominated the match and won with Contortion.

Amazing Mann has been interesting for me since I started New Beginnings. The first nine months he just lingered around and did not have great success but he had a great three months to end the year and I don't think he lost a match for 3-4 months leading up to his GWF title win. Has Amazing Mann had this level of success with other people??

[traviz]

dukedave said:

Amazing Mann has been interesting for me since I started New Beginnings. The first nine months he just lingered around and did not have great success but he had a great three months to end the year and I don't think he lost a match for 3-4 months leading up to his GWF title win. Has Amazing Mann had this level of success with other people??

the Amazing Mann defeated Endgame in mid-2119 to win the Galaxian title and successfully defended it against Bloodline, Encubus, Disaster, and Switchblade multiple times. He was eventually unseated by Swarm and hasn't really done a lot for me since but he did have an "amazing" run with the title for me.

[mikefortune]

Hey Havoc, in you fed a curtain jerker may never get a shot at a main title but in my fed they do. Do you really think Scourge is good enough to actually contend for any title. The reason I do this is to show off the new champs skill. 99% of the time it is usually a squash but once in a while I get a close match or an upset.

I use a point system to determine rankings. And to become ranked you have to put together a winning streak. Scourge and a few others may get a win here or there but never enough to get a title shot. By doing this everyone in my fed will eventually get a title shot of some type. And my main eventers and mid carder can battle over the titles.

[dukedave]

mikefortune said:

Hey Havoc, in you fed a curtain jerker may never get a shot at a main title but in my fed they do. Do you really think Scourge is good enough to actually contend for any title. The reason I do this is to show off the new champs skill. 99% of the time it is usually a squash but once in a while I get a close match or an upset.

I use a point system to determine rankings. And to become ranked you have to put together a winning streak. Scourge and a few others may get a win here or there but never enough to get a title shot. By doing this everyone in my fed will eventually get a title shot of some type. And my main eventers and mid carder can battle over the titles.

It's my opinion that to challenge for the heavyweight title you should actually have to accomplish something. You may not have to be ranked but at least win a tournament or a battle royal. A title shot should be something special not just something that's thrown around to everyone. Everyone should not just be given a title shot. I've never had a shot at John Cena. Should I be given a title shot?

[Bazzy]

Havoc ,
Why can't a curtain jerker get a title shot ? . I thought that was the whole point of the COTG ? . In my feds if you win , you move up the table . If your name is top of the list after a title match . YOU get the next title shot no matter who you are ? . My biggest PPV or not . Rules are rules and I stick by them .

[dbfnq]

dukedave said:

It's my opinion that to challenge for the heavyweight title you should actually have to accomplish something. You may not have to be ranked but at least win a tournament or a battle royal. A title shot should be something special not just something that's thrown around to everyone. Everyone should not just be given a title shot.

Personally, I do the same thing for the big belt, giving GWF title shots to people who win tournaments or rumbles or get a non-title victory over the champ or whatever, but I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with doing it differently. I'll certainly hand out lesser title shots based on general performance or storyline. Plethador debuted with a IP title shot against Payback in my fed. He won by DQ, as it happens, and got slaughtered in the no-DQ rematch.

Actually, one of the things I noticed about NB (as compared to the WWE) is that there are easily ten or twelve wrestlers who could be serious contenders for the GWF title. Endgame, Bloodline, Encubus, Monolith, Disaster, Payback, Swarm, Mann, Kill Prey, Valour, maybe Nosfera...heck, Anivar the Enforcer has been doing really well in my GWF title picture lately.

[dukedave]

bazzy said:

Havoc ,
Why can't a curtain jerker get a title shot ? . I thought that was the whole point of the COTG ? . In my feds if you win , you move up the table . If your name is top of the list after a title match . YOU get the next title shot no matter who you are ? . My biggest PPV or not . Rules are rules and I stick by them .

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That's actually my point. mikefortune's opinion is that even though some wrestler's never win enough to get ranked they should still get a title shot. I have a top ten and if the wrestler puts enough wins together they get the GWF title shot. That is how two wrestler's Kill Prey and Amazing Mann, who both struggled the first 9 months of 2119, moved up and both got title shots, with Mann winning the title and is my current champ.

Not taking into account my Lethal Lottery (Battle Royal) and the King of the Universe tournie, my wrestlers have to be ranked #1 to get a shot at the main champ unless they win a non-title match first. If they win that then their fate is in the hands of Massif. For the I-P belt I have it where everyone from the top ten is eligible to contend for the belt. The only time I break from these is in my Random Encounters PPV once a year where every match is random, and everyone has a chance at possible getting a random shot at the belt. This is that once a year thing where a curtain jerker could get a shot although in the inaugural Random Encounters PPV Disaster won the drawing and won the title.

[mikefortune]

My reasoning behind the way I hand out title shots is like this. First I want all my champs to have at least 1 successful defence of their title. Second in doing this a jobber might just show me that he is maybe a little better than I had originally thought and I might give him a few more matches to prove himself. And this has worked out for me I am in 2102 and I have only had 1 upset in over 2000 title matches.

I got this idea from Bret Hart. He always thought everyone should get a shot at some gold once in a while so he actually demanded that Steve Lombardi get s shot at the WWE title. Steve got his shot and later on before the match could happen came the Bret screw job. I liked the idea so that is how I incorperated into my GWF

And were is Swarm in all this, shouldn't he be coming along and start telling us were doing it wrong. ;-)

[dukedave]

mikefortune said:

And were is Swarm in all this, shouldn't he be coming along and start telling us were doing it wrong. ;-)

No, that was my job to tell you that you were doing it wrong. ;D

[blueraider2]

i think you're the new swarm myself.