Time Limit Draws

[Who Is Sean Mooney]

I noticed Tom's fed has been having a few draws lately and wondered what is the most common approach to this?

I currently use 10-minutes for my matches and it works pretty well. I have some draws, but not often and the matches that hit the time-limit usually dragging anyway. However, I had several matches especially in 2006 end in the closing seconds!!

[gwffantrav]

Since I'm always looking up at the TV or chasing around a 3 year old, it's hard to keep track of any time limits.

I usually base it fatigue and pin rating. Probably if both wrestlers get up to 10 on their pin rating, would be a draw.

[Bazzy]

In all my federations I play a 10 minute time limit , unless there is some reason not to .

[pikemojo]

I actually don't do it unless I really feel like a match is going way over the amount of time I want it to. So I really don't have anything set in stone.

[canadianpittbull]

I don't have a set time limit per se as it depends on the match. Although my TV title matches run usually 10 mins sometimes 15 depending on where they are.

[Big Bri]

For regular singles matches, I do 15 minutes. For regular tag, it's 20. If it's a feud match or one where I think it will take awhile to crown a winner (two top guys going at it), I'll usually add 5 minutes.

Title matches are always more (at least 30 minutes), and most specialty matches have no time limit at all.

When the time limit runs out, I'll roll 10 more moves, and if by then no winner is crowned then it's a draw.

[GrumpyBigBee]

yeah I would go with the 10 minute rule except maybe in title matches...

[canadianpittbull]

Well usually the main event title matches would be no title limit with 1 fall to a finish.

[stephenvegas]

Personally, I've basically chosen not to have time limit draws. Sometimes I have matches that last really long but it just makes me want to see even more who the ultimate winner is going to be. I never get bored playing either LOW or COTG and many of the matches for me that have gone extra long turned into classic encounters- ultimately there will be a winner.

Regarding time limit draws, I was watching WWE 24/7 today and Bret Hart versus Rick Martel at Madison Square Garden in March 1990 (a couple of weeks before Wrestlemania 6) ended in a time limit draw. Back then I seem to remember that there were time limit draws more often- especially on USA on Monday nights. Other than Angle vs HBK last fall, I can't remember many recent time limit draws. But even if they were more common, I think I personally would just prefer to roll until there is a winner.

[Shon Maxx]

With the exception of iron man type matches, I only really use time limit draws for storyline purposes or if the match is boring the $#!@ out of me. Fortunately, the latter rarely happens.

Take care,

Jay

[GalactiKing]

I just go till I feel I dion't want to do anymore with the match.

[Holland227]

Havent really used time limits yet as most matches dont take that long. If a match is really drawing out then I look for an ally or enemy run in to spice it up... good for booking a match on a future card!

[TheOtherTravis]

A set number of moves, offensive and defensive. I call it as a thirty minute time limit draw unless it's a title match, which are two out of three falls and most last longer than an hour. So, there is no limit for the World or Tag Title matches. For secondary titles, it will be forty five minute time limit, one fall to a finish.

Peace.

~Trav

[gwffantrav]

Since I'm always being distracted: I may be watching TV, having my three year old wanting to "woll" with me....I base it on fatigue. If both wrestlers get up to a certain number....and how high it is on the card.

Say Bobo Brazil 4(1) is fighting Harley Race 5(2), that's a pretty big match, probably main event material. I'll say, if both wrestlers get to 10 on their fatigue...it'll be a broadway.

But like if Candido 7(4) fought Bastien 5(2), that's going to probably be a lower level match...maybe one fall, 15 minute time limit. If both hit their fatigue of 7, it'll be a draw.

I won't go lower than 7 and higher than 10.

[gatekeeper]

stephenvegas said:

Personally, I've basically chosen not to have time limit draws. Sometimes I have matches that last really long but it just makes me want to see even more who the ultimate winner is going to be. I never get bored playing either LOW or COTG and many of the matches for me that have gone extra long turned into classic encounters- ultimately there will be a winner.

I completely agree. I hated when there was a time-limit draw on TV. Remember in the WM IV title tourney when Jake-Rude had a time limit?

I know that was because the WWF/E could only have so many matches but I still remember wanting to see a winner in that one.

[Mr. Jimmyface]

Off the options above, I'd go with a certain set of offensive moves to determine draws. If you cannot put your opponent away in that time, the match needs to end. Seriously. Your crowd is bored, the front office is worried about the wrestlers ability to conduct a match, and your wrist is cramped from rolling dice. End the match, get a snack, and move on.

[stephenvegas]

larstoxik said:

Off the options above, I'd go with a certain set of offensive moves to determine draws. If you cannot put your opponent away in that time, the match needs to end. Seriously. Your crowd is bored, the front office is worried about the wrestlers ability to conduct a match, and your wrist is cramped from rolling dice. End the match, get a snack, and move on.

Just because a match is long does not mean it has to be boring. Most of my all time favorite and classical LOW and COTG matches is when both wrestlers have kicked out of multiple pin attempts during long matches to the disbelief of the crowd and a winner is ultimately decided after the action has switched back and forth many times. In fact long matches make me even more eager, not less eager, to see who the ultimate winner is going to be.

Another reason I do not have any draws is because I don't like to either play with a stopwatch or count up a large tally of offensive moves in order to make the time limit draws equitable for every match and not arbitrary. I think both of those situations for me would likely detract from my enjoyment of the game.

Incidentally, earlier this week on WWE 24/7, I watched an edition of Prime Time form either late 1986 or early 1987. One of the matches was Tito Santana vs Jake Roberts. It was a decent match that ended with Tito applying his figure-four leglock to Roberts who was desperately trying to grab his bag that contained Damien in the corner. Right as Roberts grabbed his bag with Damien while still trapped in the figure-four, the bell goes off to signal a draw. I was really into the match and eager to see how this situation was going to get resolved and the time limit draw left me the fan/viewer unsatisfied.

So my Major League Wrestling fed for LOW does not have and probably never will have time limit draws.

[Mr. Jimmyface]

I agree with that point, but when you have a large roster, you need to keep things going so you can finish the card in a timely manner. I tend to want a time limit on the undercard matches, but for the top tier matches, I let them go as long as it takes.