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Post by gwffantrav on Sept 6, 2006 23:23:19 GMT -5
Now I admit, I hate the University of Louisville, but they did spank up on my Kentucky Wildcats this week.
But the biggest question was that Michael Bush had a season ending injury after breaking his leg. Now the questions all over town is whether he should go pro or not.
Plus, Brian Brohm, the Junior quarterback for Louisville, got hurt last season, missing the bowl game.
There are all kinds of people saying Bush should just redshirt and come back. He actually has a Lords of London insurance policy on himself valued at 2,000,000.
But as I've gotten older, I've grown to learn college may be the biggest scam in the world (whether it comes to having to take bogus classes, paying invisible fees for the college to pocket, exploiting athletes (and granted, the athletes know what they get them self into when they go, but in the last 10 years, it's been sickening).
So my question, if you have the chance to make the $$$, would you take it? Ten years ago, I was a sucker and said, "These guys need to stay in school, blah blah". But now, I'm like, "Please take the money, buy expensive things, contribute to the economy, etc"
So if I was Bush, or even Brohm, I'd say, "Bye Bye".
And even if the kids want to go pro, I'm all for professional sports setting mandates before someone can go pro as well. If you didn't know, if you want to go pro in football, you have to be out of school (your H.S. graduating class) for three years. In baseball, if you don't get drafted out of high school or are drafted and decide to go to college, you have to stay in three years before being drafted again. Pro basketball should be well documented.
Let me hear your take. I think it's an interesting topic.
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Post by GrumpyBigBee on Sept 8, 2006 10:12:57 GMT -5
If you have the chance, go for it
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Post by Graymar on Sept 8, 2006 10:29:44 GMT -5
I think, for me, it would depend on the sport and the University.
For example,
Golf - Pro
BBall - Tennessee - Pro; Duke - stay
Football - Stay (but team dependant)
Baseball - Pro
Tennis - Pro
Graymar
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Post by Joe on Sept 8, 2006 12:35:39 GMT -5
This is a question I discuss with other sports fans often, and there is no easy answer.
For every Felipe Lopez (who could have been drafted number one coming out of high school, but chose to attend St. John's for four years and saw his draft stock plummet) there is a Kenyon Martin, who went from a mid-to-late first-round pick had he come out after his junior season to the number one selection after his senior season. Basketball is probably the hardest sport to give a single answer for.
As far as football goes, one would almost have to take the money as soon as it is available, unless there is an extraordinary circumstance (i.e. Leinart's chance to go down in history). The fact that the NFL requires players to be three years removed from high school also tends to discredit any maturity level argument.
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Post by behindthebook on Sept 8, 2006 16:37:28 GMT -5
If you are a sure-fire first rounder, then heck yeah, turn pro. If you're probably going to go in the second round or later, like Bush would have after last season, I think sticking around fro another year to raise your stock might be a gamble worth taking.
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Post by Trent Lawless on Sept 8, 2006 21:04:57 GMT -5
In football, where the chances of potentially career-threatening or even -ending injuries are greater than in non-contact sports, you'd be a fool not to go pro when you have the chance. And Joe's on the money about basketball being incredibly hard to figure, although I don't follow it as closely as I do football.
It's not so much that college is a scam. It's just that a lot of these guys wouldn't be "college material" anyway if it weren't for their jock scholarships. It's just the minor leagues to them. They have talent. Lucky for them, it's a talent that can make them lots of money. Who wouldn't take that opportunity? Especially if you were in a sport where the injury possibilities are higher. If you're a guaranteed high draft pick, but you get injured your senior year when you could've gone pro your junior year, your life is gonna be way different than if you go pro after your junior year and get hurt as a rookie in the NFL. No signing bonus. No endorsements. Zip. Just a busted leg or whatever and your degree in basket weaving.
Go for it, I say. And good luck to you.
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Post by Mad Dog on Sept 8, 2006 21:25:41 GMT -5
Football's a hard thing.
The combine is really the wildcard. Scouts get stupid things in their head from the workouts and weak prospects like Kyle Boller become hot stuff over a simple trick (throwing the ball really far while on his knees, how is that useful in the pros?). And really great prospects fall because they run a slow sprint. So really you can negate a bad or good college career by looking good in a meaningless workout.
I have two schools of thought on this. QBs, WRs, HBs and DBs should jump to the pros as soon as they have a great season. Linemen, FBs and linebackers should stay till their senior season. As a lineman you really aren't going to make a huge impression, O-Line especially. You either have it or you don't there so you might as well get a degree.
Now someone like Maurice Clarrett is an example of someone who needed to stay in college. He didn't prove that he was a mature guy, that he could take the hits at even the college level and that he was consistent. He looked like a guy that had one good game and suddenly thought he was Barry Sanders.
Football's rules are good though. High school to NFL would never work. You'd be taking kids off the field in bodybags if you allowed that.
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Post by Joe on Sept 9, 2006 19:07:24 GMT -5
Football's a hard thing. The combine is really the wildcard. Scouts get stupid things in their head from the workouts and weak prospects like Kyle Boller become hot stuff over a simple trick (throwing the ball really far while on his knees, how is that useful in the pros?). And really great prospects fall because they run a slow sprint. So really you can negate a bad or good college career by looking good in a meaningless workout. I have two schools of thought on this. QBs, WRs, HBs and DBs should jump to the pros as soon as they have a great season. Linemen, FBs and linebackers should stay till their senior season. As a lineman you really aren't going to make a huge impression, O-Line especially. You either have it or you don't there so you might as well get a degree. Now someone like Maurice Clarrett is an example of someone who needed to stay in college. He didn't prove that he was a mature guy, that he could take the hits at even the college level and that he was consistent. He looked like a guy that had one good game and suddenly thought he was Barry Sanders. Football's rules are good though. High school to NFL would never work. You'd be taking kids off the field in bodybags if you allowed that. There is a difference between lacking maturity and having head problems. Clarett could have stayed in college until he was 50, and it would not have fixed his problems. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Sept 9, 2006 19:18:34 GMT -5
Oh, I was just talking physical wise. Character wise is a different matter as a troublemaker is college will be a troublemaker in the pros.
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Post by gatekeeper on Sept 9, 2006 22:27:41 GMT -5
You've gotta go.
If you get the chance to make at least a 6 figure salary or higher. Why wouldn't you?
You can always go back and finish your degree like many athletes do. It's a chance to set your family up in tremendous financial security.
If you flame out, you can still go back to college. You should have been there getting an education as well, because you can't play pro sports forever.
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Post by incognito on Sept 10, 2006 0:50:45 GMT -5
If you look at the typical NFL draft of the first 100-125 picks will be mostly Juniors. But, in the last half of the draft it's entirely seniors with 2-5 underclassmen sprinkled in. So a word of advice to any underclassmen, check around, if there is not a good chance your going in the first three rounds; there's a good chance your not going period. That being said, it's up to the individual, if they want to go back for their last season, hey it worked for Peyton Manning and Matt Leinart (sort of). But if they want to leave early and have a reasonable chance of getting drafted on the first day and make a ton of guaranteed money; then I say go for it. Don't let a Myriad of myopic myrmidon's of the Myth it's "the right thing to do" talk you out of it. They can turn down their own multi-million dollar contracts.
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Post by Pete on Sept 12, 2006 2:46:25 GMT -5
Agreed on Maurice...I'm actually in favor of the removal of age limits for the NFL draft but the guy was not ready for prime time. He racked up a bunch of huge yards early in the season when his best opposition was Washington State, and missed almost half of his freshman year due to a nasty shoulder stinger. Outside of two big plays--a touchdown catch against Michigan and stripping the ball from Sean Taylor after an interception in the Fiesta Bowl--he was a non-factor in the final two games of the season.
Even if he were the most level-headed young man ever to put on a pair of cleats, half of one college season does not a Pro Bowler make.
Just playing devil's advocate here: It's rather odd how people seem to lament basketball players and football players leaving school early or skipping entirely, yet no one seems to ever say a word about tennis players and golfers turning pro at age 16 or younger, or baseball players who skip college.
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Post by Joe on Sept 12, 2006 7:52:21 GMT -5
Agreed on Maurice...I'm actually in favor of the removal of age limits for the NFL draft but the guy was not ready for prime time. He racked up a bunch of huge yards early in the season when his best opposition was Washington State, and missed almost half of his freshman year due to a nasty shoulder stinger. Outside of two big plays--a touchdown catch against Michigan and stripping the ball from Sean Taylor after an interception in the Fiesta Bowl--he was a non-factor in the final two games of the season. Even if he were the most level-headed young man ever to put on a pair of cleats, half of one college season does not a Pro Bowler make. Just playing devil's advocate here: It's rather odd how people seem to lament basketball players and football players leaving school early or skipping entirely, yet no one seems to ever say a word about tennis players and golfers turning pro at age 16 or younger, or baseball players who skip college. It's sort of similar to how the United States Government sticks around for years to rebuild the governments of the brown counries it goes to war with but pretty much just allowed Germany to do what it saw fit. Essentially what I'm saying is the vast majority of early exits to the NBA and NFL are Black, and that is where the problem lies. Whenever you hear the objections in football and basketball, the maturity argument comes up. Those against early exits say the athletes in question need to get their education then, because they won't get it later. Since no such objections are heard about the other sports' early entrants, most of whom are white, it is sort of like saying, "We're not worried about the white kids because they are mature enough. If they need their college degree, they are smart enough to go back later." I guess you could call this an example of institutional racism. The other reason could be much simpler, however, and not quite as controversial. People actually care about college basketball and college football, therefore they want to see the games played at the highest possible levels. Personally, I believe that it is a combination of the two theories I stated. |
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Post by gwffantrav on Sept 12, 2006 20:26:33 GMT -5
It's sort of similar to how the United States Government sticks around for years to rebuild the governments of the brown counries it goes to war with but pretty much just allowed Germany to do what it saw fit. Come on Joe, you're a smarter guy than that. That's why the US, England, France and the Soviets split the country up and split up Berlin for fear of another Hitler coming onboard until the wall came down. They still have troops there and were really there until the wall came down. You know better than that...you are a smart guyEssentially what I'm saying is the vast majority of early exits to the NBA and NFL are Black, and that is where the problem lies. Whenever you hear the objections in football and basketball, the maturity argument comes up. Those against early exits say the athletes in question need to get their education then, because they won't get it later. Since no such objections are heard about the other sports' early entrants, most of whom are white, it is sort of like saying, "We're not worried about the white kids because they are mature enough. If they need their college degree, they are smart enough to go back later." I guess you could call this an example of institutional racism. The other reason could be much simpler, however, and not quite as controversial. People actually care about college basketball and college football, therefore they want to see the games played at the highest possible levels.
And that's where you are probably correct...because they are the only two money makers on college campuses[/i][/u] Personally, I believe that it is a combination of the two theories I stated. [/quote] |
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Post by Joe on Sept 13, 2006 7:41:05 GMT -5
It's sort of similar to how the United States Government sticks around for years to rebuild the governments of the brown countries it goes to war with but pretty much just allowed Germany to do what it saw fit. Come on Joe, you're a smarter guy than that. That's why the US, England, France and the Soviets split the country up and split up Berlin for fear of another Hitler coming onboard until the wall came down. They still have troops there and were really there until the wall came down. You know better than that...you are a smart guyEssentially what I'm saying is the vast majority of early exits to the NBA and NFL are Black, and that is where the problem lies. Whenever you hear the objections in football and basketball, the maturity argument comes up. Those against early exits say the athletes in question need to get their education then, because they won't get it later. Since no such objections are heard about the other sports' early entrants, most of whom are white, it is sort of like saying, "We're not worried about the white kids because they are mature enough. If they need their college degree, they are smart enough to go back later." I guess you could call this an example of institutional racism. The other reason could be much simpler, however, and not quite as controversial. People actually care about college basketball and college football, therefore they want to see the games played at the highest possible levels.
And that's where you are probably correct...because they are the only two money makers on college campuses[/i][/u] Personally, I believe that it is a combination of the two theories I stated. [/quote][/quote] Trav- My first statement, you are correct about. I actually am smarter than that, and I didn't fully explain what I was trying to say. In dealing with countries of brown people (Iraq, Iran, Central and South American countries), the U.S. has a tendency to install the kind of government it wishes and continue to control the country with its hand-picked leaders (even though, the new governmental system is supposed to be a democracy). As you stated, Germany was divided up and monitored. It wasn't quite as dictatorial as the other situations. |
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Post by gwffantrav on Sept 18, 2006 22:07:32 GMT -5
BTW, Brian Brohm got hurt Saturday and may miss six weeks. You can see him in the draft this spring. Two big injuries in 2 years....
good bye college, hello $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by Avarice on Oct 4, 2006 23:18:57 GMT -5
I say if you have a great chance to make huge money, then go early. After all, with a windfall of cash, you're really not going to need a career after football unless it's wasted foolishly. Heck, most guys could live forever just on their signing bonuses, even if they didn't have a career the next year.
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