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Post by soug on Jan 10, 2006 1:01:58 GMT -5
for me this is a tough one. i think bloodline has almost peaked...yet his impact hasnt been huge. Encubus....im just waiting for him to explode!!
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Post by josharpie99 on Jan 10, 2006 23:07:04 GMT -5
I think Encubus might eventually, although I don't care for his name. "THANTOS" has a nice ring to it. "ENCUBUS" sounds robotic.
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 11, 2006 7:47:46 GMT -5
I think they will. The generations are always supposed get better, aren't they?  |
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Post by Joe on Jan 12, 2006 19:42:24 GMT -5
Bloodline has a shot, but I don't see Encubus ever really being able to forge his own identity. Hell, he's been around since 2112 and this is his first time on his own.
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Post by floydthebarber on Jan 12, 2006 21:02:52 GMT -5
I agree with Joe...I think Bloodline does have a shot, because he is quite different (in my eyes) to his father. The fact that its 2119 and not 2087 helps too...
As for Encubus, I think he also has a shot, but it would take something monumental (and I have a couple of ideas) on his part to overshadow what his father was able to do...not just in COTG lore, but just in my fed.
This ties into that discusion about the new Gladiators v. the old Gladiators and how its hard to compare era's. Star Warrior and Thantos were two of the greatest ever...their sons are both currently near the top of the GWF, but to even put them in the top 20 of all time would be tough (am I right?) so if I had to give it a percentage (I was watching pti earlier) I'd say Bloodline has a 35% chance of making his own mark...while Encubus is probably closer to 15%.
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Post by Joe on Jan 13, 2006 15:46:08 GMT -5
To follow up what Floyd said, I don't think it is possible, as of right now, to put either Bloodline or Encubus in the GWF's all time Top 20.
That would be an interesting topic, to see people would rate as the GWF's all-time 20.
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Post by Pete Beck on Jan 13, 2006 16:23:50 GMT -5
okay...this has to be taken in the right context...
i am a stats guy, not that everything i do has to revolve around stats but it helps to show some comparability.
In compiling the Cumulative Rankings...of which i have only used the Promoter as a guide...remember Star Warrior and Thantos have was less exposure in the Promoter than Bloodline and Encubus will. According to the Galaxian Championship Rankings compiled in the Total Cumulative Rankings: Bloodline is already in the TOP 10 of all time for the Galaxian Rankings tied at #9 with Spike. (I have not added Promoter #82's points to this yet, but from the quick glance it will move him to #9 on his own 7 points from #8 Vengeance). Encubus is current at #23 but is at the level where he can jump into the top 15 with a couple of solid rankings in the Promoter.
Remember the context here as these rankings are based solely on the Promoter, Issues 1 - 82ish. Star Warrior is in the teens and Thantos is in the 30's as their careers spanned very little of the Promoter Era. If i were to someday include the SuperReport in the Total CR, this would likely be a very different tale...
Just something i thought would spark discussion...
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Post by gatekeeper on Jan 15, 2006 11:28:53 GMT -5
See, I guess I have a different view. I think Bloodline has less of a chance to "break out" than Encubus. Bloodline has Star Warrior, Omega, and Alpha Force to be compared to whereas Encubus has only Thantos. Plus, right now, Encubus beats the hell out of Bloodline almost every time they fight in my fed because Encubus' card is better. He's got 3 finishers. While Bloodline's is more deadly, he does not hit it as often as Encubus. Plus, Encubus is in the top group in the fed.
I like Bloodline a lot, but he's no match for Encubus at this point. (IMO)
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Post by Joe on Jan 15, 2006 12:56:22 GMT -5
There are a couple reasons why I think Bloodline has a better chance than Encubus to remove himself from his family's shadow, although Bloodline is currently doing very little in my fed to break out and be his own star.
Among many promoters, the shine has worn off the once-golden legacy that was the Omega family. Omega has become a disgraced old man, Star Warrior left the GWF in a Sudden Death loss that damaged his incredible legacy as a wrestler and Alpha Force is viewed as a coward who fled to Dimension X during the wrestling ban. Alpha Force's legacy has also been harmed by the Alpha Stone fiasco.
While I don't necessarily agree with these assessments, they are relatively accurate of what I have read on these boards.
Thantos, on the other hand, has been attained god-like status in COTG lore. His shadow looms so large that, even after being nearly sent out of the GWF in a box in 2120, there is speculation he will make a triumphant return and exact revenge against his son.
The Evil Gamemaster has risen to this iconic level despite having a card that, quite frankly, was slipping from the ranks of the dominant by 2091. His character, however, has endured to the point that even in 2120, 44 years after his debut, Thantos still haunts the GWF like some sort of cosmic specter.
In short, Encubus will have a harder time escaping his father's shadow because promoters will not allow it to happen. Perhaps only a son of Wolf would have a tougher task.
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Post by floydthebarber on Jan 15, 2006 14:34:51 GMT -5
In a way both Joe and gatekeeper are right...but I tend to agree with Joe that Bloodline, while not 'better' than Encubus right now, has a better shot of escaping his fathers shadow because he is different from his father, and the family in general. Plus it is now 2120 and the rules for faces and heels and honor and integrity aren't the same as they were in pre 2087…which doesn’t limit Bloodline like it did Omega and Star Warrior in the past. What Joe said about the loss of some of the Omega family luster helps Bloodline from my perspective. The fact that Thantos on the other hand, is considered perhaps THE greatest wrestler in federation history by many fans makes is very hard for Encubus to escape that large shadow. The fact that he's still around in 2119 doesn't help Encubus either.
When their careers are both over, I'm pretty sure both will have a shot at making the top 20 of all time...where in that top 20 and WHY they are remembered remains to be seen…but their bio’s will always start with “Bloodline/Encubus, son of…”
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Post by soug on Jan 15, 2006 17:01:26 GMT -5
Still think Encubus will make some sort of impact.the problem , i think it will be in similar fashion to what Thantos has done....so getting out of the shadow is very hard.
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Post by lordrahl on Jan 18, 2006 7:52:27 GMT -5
I think that Encubus given a few more years may surpass his fathers name! He's just has to get rid of his Raven-esqe catch phrase. "It's all about Me!"
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Post by josharpie99 on Jan 18, 2006 8:32:19 GMT -5
I think, as of right now, the Bloodline character has more potential. I still see a heel run again  Encubus has potential as well, as long as he crafts out an agenda that is interesting. Wouldn't it be something if Encubus would go down as the greatest face of all-time and Bloodline the greatest heel? I doubt it ever happens, but it would be quite a twist. |
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Post by MikeMcKinney on Jan 23, 2006 2:14:37 GMT -5
Neither one ever will, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!There fathers were 2 of the greatest EVER...They will get close but never be bigger than there dads!
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Post by gwffantrav on Jan 29, 2006 3:44:00 GMT -5
I think when Bloodline turned on the family, it made him his own man and has earned his place.
Encubus will eventually, although it only matters how Tom writes the card
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