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Post by rock on Aug 11, 2007 12:08:19 GMT -5
to Vallah?
Ok, so I know Darkseed and Nightmare are back, and Godsend split from Murdok. But in 2119, Godsend went to Murdok to be in hiding from Vallah. Now a couple years later, he's out on his own, with no worries of Vallah sending him back to the Fourth Realm?
Why is that?
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Post by WRAITH on Aug 11, 2007 12:29:28 GMT -5
SPOILERS .... I hid these just in case but I dont know if these are really spoilers anymore ...
Vallah is in the latest edition, Ill go check to see what it says ... Maramus kills Paladin somewhere in there.
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Post by PureHatred on Aug 12, 2007 10:04:18 GMT -5
Vallah became aware of Sarkseed and tried to bring Paladin back to send him to face Godsend. But Maramus came out of nowhere (well, technically they were floating in space so really anywhere would be nowhere) and used his cosmic evil powers to shred Paladin into a million pieces.
IMO...good riddance. Heracles knock off...grrrrrrr
Maramus and Vallah then engaged in somce astral plane wrestling and the two cosmic giants ended up floating off into space, their powers seemingly cancelling each other out.
Felt a little like the first LOTR movie, where Gandalf falls into that hole with that demon and *eventually* comes back a changed being.
I would love to see an aCe graphic novel where some of these loose ends are wrapped up.
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Post by rock on Aug 13, 2007 0:10:07 GMT -5
well, I'm a little rusty on my "supernatural" rules and regulations, but isn't an "Immortal" supposed to live forever? that's what I didn't get about Paladin being killed. And IMO, I think it sucked that he did, and I still use him in my aCe. I'm just wondering what really happened to Vallah, seems odd that he would be snuffed out so easily, being he's supposed to be this all powerful being and all? Like I said, I'm no "supernatural" guru at all, just wondering what the deal is? I thought maybe Osk would have some ideas or had given it some thought in that twisted mind of his!?!?  |
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Post by krisosk on Aug 13, 2007 10:36:41 GMT -5
Disaster,
Have you read aCe 2120?
If not, SPOILERS below:
Vallah was never snuffed out. He and Maramus became involved in a one-on-one "cosmic battle." The two of them, being "Keepers" sorta cancel eachother out and they floated off into the depths of space, locked in eternal battle once again. They might or might not return.
As for the name "Immortal"...I don't think I even used that term. I believe that was simply a team name in the GWF - not a description of Second Realm type characters. To further justify Paladin's death in 2120 - he was killed AFTER leaving the Second Realm and appearing in the Third Realm (this Realm). He was destroyed by Maramus...a creature MUCH more powerful than any Second Realm character.
Hope this answers some of your questions.
~ :-Xsk
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Post by Trent Lawless on Aug 13, 2007 11:08:06 GMT -5
I never really took the word "immortal" in this context to mean indestructible. I figure one "immortal" can knock off another, but no mortal can do the same. Maybe that contributes an iota or two to the discussion, I dunno.
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Post by Tournament Master on Aug 13, 2007 11:14:55 GMT -5
Vallah was never snuffed out. He and Maramus became involved in a one-on-one "cosmic battle." The two of them, being "Keepers" sorta cancel eachother out and they floated off into the depths of space, locked in eternal battle once again. They might or might not return. Am I the only one who pictures Gandolf and the Balrog from LOTR when reading this? |
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Post by PureHatred on Aug 13, 2007 12:56:05 GMT -5
What the hell? Nobody reads my posts?? Vallah became aware of Sarkseed and tried to bring Paladin back to send him to face Godsend. But Maramus came out of nowhere (well, technically they were floating in space so really anywhere would be nowhere) and used his cosmic evil powers to shred Paladin into a million pieces. IMO...good riddance. Heracles knock off...grrrrrrr Maramus and Vallah then engaged in somce astral plane wrestling and the two cosmic giants ended up floating off into space, their powers seemingly cancelling each other out.
Felt a little like the first LOTR movie, where Gandalf falls into that hole with that demon and *eventually* comes back a changed being. I would love to see an aCe graphic novel where some of these loose ends are wrapped up. |
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Post by Knapik on Aug 13, 2007 13:49:05 GMT -5
PH - You lost us at Sarkseed  |
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Post by Aquinas on Aug 13, 2007 13:51:51 GMT -5
Better than Snarfseed!
snarf snarf.....
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Post by krisosk on Aug 13, 2007 17:58:24 GMT -5
Vallah was never snuffed out. He and Maramus became involved in a one-on-one "cosmic battle." The two of them, being "Keepers" sorta cancel eachother out and they floated off into the depths of space, locked in eternal battle once again. They might or might not return. Am I the only one who pictures Gandolf and the Balrog from LOTR when reading writing this? Me! ~ :-Xsk |
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Post by Aquinas on Aug 13, 2007 18:06:42 GMT -5
Am I the only one who pictures Gandolf and the Balrog from LOTR when reading writing this? Me! ~ :-Xsk That's awesome. The Gandolf-Balrog thing is one of the coolest aspects in LotR....way to bring it in! Heck, if Babylon 5 drew inspiration from it....the sci-fi precedent is there |
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Post by PureHatred on Aug 13, 2007 22:57:06 GMT -5
Am I the only one who pictures Gandolf and the Balrog from LOTR when reading writing this? Me! ~ :-Xsk And again...any chance of a graphic novel or something to wrap up the loose ends...Maramus/Vallah, the Aspen Northstar prophecy, the fate of Trisis. how Avarice leaves so he can enter the GWF next year... ...drag Werner out of the woods and get to work on this, huh? |
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Post by Werner Mueck on Aug 13, 2007 22:59:46 GMT -5
Highlanders are immortal but there can be only one.
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Post by rock on Aug 14, 2007 1:27:53 GMT -5
Highlanders are immortal but there can be only one. Heehee, after Osk's response, I did think of the Highlander movie, where Immortals were knocking off each other. I did read 2120, but I guess I didn't quite grasp the two battle each other into deep space and not knowing if they'd be back. I mean, obviously Maramus is back, or Godsend wouldn't be wrestling, right? I mean, isn't Maramus and Godsend one and the same? |
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Post by PureHatred on Aug 14, 2007 1:53:30 GMT -5
No. Godsend was Maramus' vessel into our realm.
The way Nightmare rides Darkseed into our realm in the latest game edition.
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Post by WRAITH on Aug 14, 2007 14:38:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one that pictured Gandalf-Saruman (sp?) from FOTR??? I think that fits more then the balrog, I always imagined they were like two wizards dueling.
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Post by krisosk on Aug 14, 2007 17:22:37 GMT -5
Am I the only one that pictured Gandalf-Saruman (sp?) from FOTR??? I think that fits more then the balrog, I always imagined they were like two wizards dueling. I actually meshed both sets of LOTR imagery in my head when working on the Vallah vs. Maramus fight. As well as pinches of a bunch of other stuff. ~ :-Xsk |
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Post by GrumpyBigBee on Aug 23, 2007 12:01:20 GMT -5
well, I'm a little rusty on my "supernatural" rules and regulations, but isn't an "Immortal" supposed to live forever? that's got to be the funniest thing Ive read all day! THANKS!!!! |
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Post by Swarm on Aug 25, 2007 7:38:25 GMT -5
Maramus and Vallah then engaged in somce astral plane wrestling and the two cosmic giants ended up floating off into space, their powers seemingly cancelling each other out. Felt a little like the first LOTR movie, where Gandalf falls into that hole with that demon and *eventually* comes back a changed being. I thought the same thing when I read it. |
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