Heels and Faces ?

[Bazzy]

I am surprised no one has asked this one before . In aCe just who are the Heels and Faces ? . Okay The ROC are faces and Murdok's Crusade are heels ? . But then say what about Ravager Army and Planet Primus . If the match was Gheist v Nicodemus . The heel actions the face . Gheist is the attacker ? . But then if Murdok's Crusade have home advantage aren't they the faces (maybe just for one night) ? .
I know what someone has been thinking , what have I been doing for the passed 12-18 (?) months aCe has been going . Normally its been Aegis v Murdok , Exodus v Godsend or The Specialists v Darkness Falls my main feuds . There hasn't been a problem . Now its become Gheist v Nicodemus , it got me thinking .

[rockajabroney]

I think it's basically like this:
The R.O.C. and the Ravager Army are considered "Faces"
Murdok's Crusade and Primus are considered "Heels"

Even though that's kinda a rough idea, because members of Primus and Murdok's Crusade don't get a long, and with the Ravager's mysterious backgrounds of being around for years and years before others (like the Ancients), no one really knows what they are/were really like??

I guess in a nutshell, there's a very fine line between faces and heels in the a.C.e. as it's like real life. It just not cut and dry, black and white. There's a lot of gray matter making it really foggy as to who is who!!

I hope I make sense???
Ray

[GalactiKing]

You also don't imagine the primitives of Primus or the undead on Antilla really have a concept of heels and faces anyways.

[Wildfire]

I say the ROC are pretty clear Faces, and Murdok's crusade are very clear heels.

For the others, you could go either way.. If I get back to playing aCe some day, I may go more towards Primus as "noble savages" who have been exploited by the manipulative Ancients... the only problem here is its VERY hard to use Rankor as a face, but I may give it a go. AS the story is written I'd call the Ravagers face-tweener and Primus tweener-heel.

Now, if (when?) Rankor forms his own team, I'd definately make Paganax and co. faces, but that's just me

[rockajabroney]

Yeah, you guys nailed it. It's really hard to determine who is "exactly" a face or heel between the Ravagers and Primatives. But in 2119 with four teams, if by just plain simple logic, Ravagers would be faces, and Primatives be heels only evens things out.

But there is a lot of 'Gray Matter" in that dimension.

[BDS]

I don't trust the Ravagers - Nicodemus specifically. He seems to be way to much of an "ends justify the means" kind of guy to be considered a true face. There are faces in the faction; Ventross, Warfare, and Nemean all come to mind, just not the Commander. He scares me.

For Primus, I've said before that I don't think Paganax is really evil in any way, not like Murdok. Paganax is a force of nature, and isn't any more of a heel than a tornado or an earthquake is. He leaves distruction in his wake, but that's because it's what he does, not because he specifically wants to hurt people. The Syndicate is heel through and through, though.

[rockajabroney]

Yeah, I agree about Paganax,

It's just in 2119, the Ravagers were made to be believed that they were "faces", it's only in 2120, that our suspisions are awoken?!

Just having Rankor on the Primus team, makes them a "heel" force.

But yes, Nicodemus does seem to be a little shady and time will only tell if he is or not?

[GalactiKing]

Well it doesn't hurt that it also has Avarice who's name is a synonym for Greed and Flatliner who's totally nuts. However, I sense a spin-off of the Judas Syndicate in 2121 and a face Primus team.

[Vidtek]

Why is Murdok a heel? The guy is trying to take over the Diminsion using an army of the undead, he stole a guys wife and turned her into his zombie bride, he's killed at least one of the enemy (Noxious) and maybe two (Rouser), and he's seamingly imortal. Does that really make him "evil?"
Why are the ROC faces? They are fighting against everyone else to overthrow an enemy, they have lost two members of their team so far, and they have two guys who specifically targert other people's weaknesses. Does this make them "good?"
Personally I don't think any of the teams are either heels or faces. I think that's part of the appeal of aCe. Individuals may sway one way or the other, but in the end each is fighting for one thing...themselves. Sure Aegis says he's trying to liberate Centra, but I'm sure HE wants to be in charge when it's over. And Paganax is just trying to keep outsiders off his land. Murdok wants what he fels is his (and in a way was his) to begin with. And the Ravagers...well lets just say I don't trust any of them.
I think aCe is a fed full of tweeners. And that's alright by me!
Big Time