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Post by DUCE on Jan 30, 2008 21:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by DUCE on Feb 1, 2008 8:27:36 GMT -5
www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=11090Both Kongo and Arlovski have a lot riding on their fights.
The Frenchman was originally gunning for a bout with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, but he had to queue up behind Tim Sylvia for a shot at "Minotauro." A win over Herring would bring Kongo, who is 4-1 in the UFC with a big win over "Cro Cop" last September, in contention for a title eliminator against Fabricio Werdum in the summer. Sounds like if Herring wins pat on the back here is a bonus maybe... but if Kongo wins he gets to content for Werdum title shot. Unlike previous reports where it was made out that the winner gets the next title shot after Werdum.
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Post by habbalah on Feb 1, 2008 23:18:50 GMT -5
Well it's about match making Tim Vs Kongo sounds interesting.
But if Nog win's Werdum sounds like a better contender to face. I feel like the only guy who loved there fight back in pride. And yeah they are giving him Hearing just to give him air time and something to do.
It could be a mistake. I guess we'll see.
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Post by DUCE on Feb 1, 2008 23:41:28 GMT -5
Randy is the UFC champ duh.  I'm just trying to make sense of what all the different reports are saying. In the first articles about Werdum getting the next shot it states that Herring and Kongo are fighting for the next next title shot and now its if Kongo wins he fights Werdum for the next title shot. I am thinknig they are leaving the door open for Mir-Sylvia if the two of them win. Noguiera is a great fighter and person. A quality champion but strategy wise for UFC he is bad for them. Reason I am thinking this is UFC's legal battle with Couture and compaign to bury Fedor. |
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Post by habbalah on Feb 3, 2008 1:18:12 GMT -5
Der... Randy Couture left the ufc. Der He's kinda done that before willing and didn't argue about being the champ after he left last time so guess what.
He's not. In the same way Frank Mir's not despite never having lost the title.
I saw two great fighters tonight. As I hoped I would (I had my doubts going in to be honest).
Honestly the whole show was great. Hell if Tim would have fought like that when he fought Randy last time who knows what would have happened.
Thankfully I'll never have to find out (LOL being Randy fan in all) I'm just saying.
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Post by habbalah on Feb 3, 2008 3:43:29 GMT -5
Oh I heard through the grape vine Josh is fighting Yoshida at some show called.. VIctory road or something... Second hand info from sherdog radio. Sounds great.
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Post by DUCE on Feb 3, 2008 5:19:12 GMT -5
Der... der... ?
Go away
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Post by habbalah on Feb 3, 2008 14:06:11 GMT -5
You went duh first, drop dead.
Duce
"no no no no! Your suppose to let me be a snide little jerk off and not stand up to me!"
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Feb 8, 2008 12:49:21 GMT -5
Though I do like hearing everyone's points of view on things I will say this...At the end of the day we are all just guys behind a key board voicing our opinions. All our opinions are just speculations. You never know until the actual fight goes down.
Anyway, I think Herring is good for the heavy weight division. Win or lose the guy comes to fight. I think it is too early to say he's past his prime. With all these great fight camps around who is to say he cant re-invent himself? Shoot if Madonna can do it why can't Heath?
I also think that too much emphasis is on who is the best. It seems like if someone isnt a top 3 fighter then his is on his way out. If someone comes out puts on a great fight they have a fan in me.
I can see only good things with the Texas Crazy Horse in the mix.
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Post by habbalah on Feb 9, 2008 3:19:23 GMT -5
Um because Madonna can't do it, she's really still just a whore, only she's faking a British accent.
I knew Minowa was gonna lose to Cro Cop but I digress.
Aka being a slave to the top 10. Your right, but it's the thin.. ultra thing UFC heavy weight division. Duce a while back used the metaphor “Machida isn’t a ballon he won’t pop if you poke him.” and for Machida he was right.
And it was a perfect way to talk about a contender.
Kongo is a ballon, or at least he’s going to be perceived that way for a long time until he proves other wise.
The UFC needs to build up fighters for title fights. Reminding people of the short comings of their number one contenders is anti productive.
Now Duce is cool with the idea of Heath getting one big win and getting a jump back into the title scene. As far as I’m concerned Heath Herring is lucky to have a job in the UFC let alone, get any where near the title right now.
Fighters can change. They can improve. But the ones that do ussally are the kind of fighters that evolve or at the very least announce there with a new camp.
Heath's doing what Heath's doing. I don't take any joy and saying Heath's a dead end, but he pretty much is. It's annoying to see a dead end is going to will his way back up the chart, with no real improvement just because he was given a favorible match, due to poor match making.
It would be like if tito fought Ken Shamrock twice to get a title shot... can you imagine how B.S that would... oh wait.. heh.
Than again who knows maybe Kongo will come prepared, fighters grow by leaps and bounds more and more these days.
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Post by habbalah on Feb 9, 2008 3:36:05 GMT -5
My frustration comes from the fact, if Heath was going to win this fight with his A game.. that would be fine.
But for Heath to win he has to use his ground game.. which in his UFC Debute, he whined about a wrestler holding him down for the win....
and that's the said thing,, that's exactlly what Heath's going to need to do is blanket Kongo. He'll come out... pull of a dull win.. than Promise "well don't worry next time guys.. I promise I'll do better, and have a more exciiting fight."
Which is fine... alot fighters pull that (if not all), at least at some point, I'm just frustrated with Heath's complacent attitude in mma.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Feb 9, 2008 15:57:32 GMT -5
All good points bro. But you CANT use Minowa/Cro Cop as an example..lol. You just cant. Do I really need to re-post my Minowa logic? Don't let me catch you disrespecting my mullet-donning hero on these boards again.
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Post by habbalah on Feb 10, 2008 0:04:15 GMT -5
I think i knew Arlovski would kill Eilers dead in their fight. Hell even Micky foley in the crowd knew that. Fair? (LOL)
I think the world knew after their first fight Tito would crush Ken Shamrock 10 out of 10 times. So there are some matches you do know lol.
The fighters who have peaked in their own limited ways are the ones you can predict the best.
The fighters who spurt in growths of talent who always bring some kind of screwed up X factor into a fight (Hi Randy) not so much.
Take for example Yoshida from Pride.
Now I LOVE Yoshida. I think he's the Randy Couture of Japan (only with Judo). But I think we've seen his peak. I don't think we're going to see him continue to grow and evolve with the sport.
He has good ground skills, good subs, more heart than he has stand up (2 pounds of heart). He doesn’t have Bushido spirit, he IS bushido spirit! He stood two to to with Wanderlei, and to mymemory he's the only born son of Japan who didn't get Ko'd by the axe murderer, and he did it twice.
Unless he improves, he won't beat Josh in their next fight.
I don’t believe that, I know that. On the other hand I suppose Josh could show up fat, and out of shape.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Feb 12, 2008 17:49:43 GMT -5
I think i knew Arlovski would kill Eilers dead in their fight. Hell even Micky foley in the crowd knew that. Fair? (LOL) I think the world knew after their first fight Tito would crush Ken Shamrock 10 out of 10 times. So there are some matches you do know lol. The fighters who have peaked in their own limited ways are the ones you can predict the best. The fighters who spurt in growths of talent who always bring some kind of screwed up X factor into a fight (Hi Randy) not so much. Take for example Yoshida from Pride. Now I LOVE Yoshida. I think he's the Randy Couture of Japan (only with Judo). But I think we've seen his peak. I don't think we're going to see him continue to grow and evolve with the sport. He has good ground skills, good subs, more heart than he has stand up (2 pounds of heart). He doesn’t have Bushido spirit, he IS bushido spirit! He stood two to to with Wanderlei, and to mymemory he's the only born son of Japan who didn't get Ko'd by the axe murderer, and he did it twice. Unless he improves, he won't beat Josh in their next fight. I don’t believe that, I know that. On the other hand I suppose Josh could show up fat, and out of shape. I forgot they were fighting. What org is that under? I see what your are saying Hab and 9/10 times you will be right. Im just saying that there are your Serra/GSP, Diaz/Gomi, Griffin/Rua's out there. Yeah, Butterbean has a .0001% of beating Fedor but that chance is still there. Back to Barnett...It is crazy to me that he has shown up out of shape (crop cop/barnett II). Love or hate the guy you have to admit me has some serious talent. I hope they both show up in good shape. It has the potential for a really good fight. |
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Post by habbalah on Feb 13, 2008 1:27:26 GMT -5
Oh update Cro Cop's not with the UFC anymore in favor of K-1 (not sure if it's mma or kick boxing branch, hero's or what not).
I Forget Josh and Yoshida's brand to.. LWPD? You know right?
And there's also a chance that 99 percent of Sherdog is flooded with Harbor and Yale Grads. Ever consider that? I mean if I have to accept Butter beatn can Beat Fedor.. it's only fair you consider that Sherdog is filled with mis understood genuises.
(LOL, Don't Bs with the Master).
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Jun 7, 2008 10:08:32 GMT -5
My friends and I were talking about the heavyweight picture the other day and I have a feeling that Liddell will be in the hvy title picture pretty soon. I would love to see Tito get in there as well, but Tito and Dana will never get past their differences.
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Post by habbalah on Jun 15, 2008 19:34:01 GMT -5
Chuck teases the idea of going to heavy weight all the time but doesn't pursue it. I'd love to see it.
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