*WORDWIDE LHW TOP 15! FOR 1/1/2008*

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Welcome all to the show. Before we hear the patheticly useless and lazy lines about how "RANKINGS ARE USELESS" or even worse "UFC vs. Pride" dialog(UFC/Pride are the same thing now) we know who we are and what entertained/entertains us. We are Dark Menaces of the Universe. Tom seeded his world of science fiction professional wrestling in our minds. Be it through friends or Apter magazines. It came to us and we are what we are. I'll do all those other guys FIVE BETTER! Giving you five MORE well thoughtout picks for global positioning through MMA accomplishment.

Ranking are fun to do. You can do them. If your an overly sensitive person don't do them or whine about them. If your not a COTG fan check it out.

This is what it will look like->
Key
Name(MMA Record) Age, Employer, Team,
Reasonings;
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JUST OUT OF THE BUBBLE in no order
Houston Alexander (8-2) 35, UFC, Mick Doyle(?Trained with Ken Shamrock a little)
Houston is 3-1-1 with one no contest for 2007. Alexander had a huge hype train rolling as he was seeming;y mashing experienced second tier fighters left and right like a vicious animal. He really hurt Keith Jardine's standings. As Keith Jardine wasn't even considered a top ten fighter when he fell to Alexander putting Houston on the map.
When Keith beat Chuck Liddell that gave Houston an added boost. People were even considering him worthy of a title shot( he just got his foot in the door at UFC and was competing at D-E level events not even covered by fcfighter's database!

One thing of note is that he lost to Josh Neer(170lbs) in an amatuer fight in 2002. Houston Alexander is a very entertaining fighter that needs to round his edges some more. He lost his first UFC fight against newly ranked and undefeated Thiago Silva.

Renato "Babalu" Sobral (28-8) 32, EliteXC/Open, Gracie Barra

Destroyed a strong competitor in David Heath before being made a scapegoat for a not letting go a choke. Which if you havn't seen the fight do so. Its very entertaining and the choke wasn't on that long. Who is David Heath? In the last three years before his Babalu fight he was 6-1 at 205 dropping a decision to Lyoto Machida. Babalu is a warrior and young. We havn't seen the last of him in the top of the rankings.

Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (12-3) 31, EliteXC/Open, Brazilian Top Team

With two wins over Overeem, Submission victory over Dan Henderson, a well fought decision lost to Shogun, and two wins over Nakamura Noguiera has fought the best consistently in his career. His most recent fight was a KO loss to Sokoudjou. The main reasoning for his slip out of the top 10 let alone the top 15 is all of the shaking and rumbling going on in the top ten. Lyoto Machida's win over Sokoudjou fell Arona and Nog along with their Pride induced inactivity.

Kazuhiro Nakamura (11-7) 27, UFC, Yoshida Dojo

WTF is wrong with this guy? You'd figure he'd be the last guy to pop for Mary Jane. Lost decisions to Shogun, Machida, and Noguiera. Defeated Randleman, Vovchanchyn, and Yuki Kondo. Was seen by many as #10 LHW before losing to Lyoto Machida.
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THE BOTTOM LOT 15-11

[habbalah]

Well if I can ask for speculation who do you see Kazuhiro Nakamura facing next in the ufc? (He has 2 fights left yes?).

These are well respected fighters and given a chance I could see easily braking the top ten (maybe not Nakamura).

I mean really who is the ideal dream match up for this guy? Can he out work Tito? Can he beat LIddel? Dan (if he goes back to light heavy). Can out Judo Suko? Or will he remain a honorable mention for always giving the best guys... a run for their money.

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15.) Vladimir "The Janitor" Matyushenko(20-3) 36, IFL, HB Ultimate Training Centre

A fellow Belarusian and Chicago resident with Andrei Arlovski. Is 2-1 in UFC at Heavyweight. Defeating both Travis Wuiff and the dangerous Pedro Rizzo. 1-1 at 200ish losing to then UFC champion Tito Ortiz and defeating Yuki Kondo. Is 6-0 in the last two years at 205( seven if you count defeating Barreto at heavyweight) and the current IFL 205 champ. Defeated TUF 1 alum and Bas Rutten student Alex Schoenauer for the prize. Defeated Nogeuira by decision. Matyushenko is a good candidate to break through the madness that is in the 8-15 position.

With IFL's new format if done properly they should produce new stars and have men in every weight division's top ten.

14.) Jason Lambert (23-6) 30,UFC, North County Fight Club

4-1 in the UFC. Lost to TUF season winner Rashad Evans via tko. TKO'd Babalu, Terry Martin, and Branden Lee Hinkle. Some of his loses are Vale Tudo legend Marco Ruas, Tim Sylvia, Cabbage, and Chael Sonnen. Jason is currently scheduled to fight Wilson Gouveia at UFC 80. Is seemingly lost in the shuffle of this talent packed division. Jason says he has big things plained for 2008.
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13.) Ricardo Arona (13-5) 29, M-1?, Brazilian Top Team

4-3 in the last three years. Defeating Wanderlei Silva by decision and losing a split decision three months later in 2005. His most recent victory over Overeem. Was knocked out earlier this year by Sokoudjou. Sokoudjou's recent loss and his inactivity has caused him to lose alot of ground in the rankings. Arona has also claimed big things are in store for him in 2008. Anyone of these guys can cause another ranking meltdown.

12.) Thiago Silva (13-0) 25, UFC, Chute Box/Team Link

A shooto brazil competitor. Lost his first and only amatuer match by disqualification against Segio Canudo(an unknown). 3-0 in UFC with a TKO over the red hot Houston Alexander. First person to KO Claudio Godoi. Alot of people are marking him with the same rapid success Houston had but Thiago still has yet to face a top ten fighter.

11.) Tito Ortiz (16-5-1) 32, UFC, Team Punishment

Is 4-1-1 in the last three years. Won two split decisions against Forrest and Vitor Belfort. A foul caused him the fight against Rashad Evans giving him his first draw. Has been inactive and injured since 7/7/07.

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10.) Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou(4-2) 23, UFC, Team Quest

The white hot, vicious, African, striking judoka Sokoudjou has arrived in the UFC. In 2006 he was a no name fighter with a loss in WEC and an extensive Judo background. This all changed when Dan Henderson hired him as a training partner for his fight against Kazuhiro Nakamura.

He was well liked and welcomed into Team Quest. This also lead him to fight Noguiera in what could have been one of the greatest winning streaks in MMA. Holds two quick KO's over top ranked at the time Ricardo Arona and Antonio "Minotoro" Noguiera. Held a ranking of #4 on the INSIDE MMA HDNET program. Even appeared on the show. Rumored to have nearly signed with K-1 and was among a number of fighters mentioned to be fighting Fedor on NYE. Lost a one sided contest against Machida on UFC 79 by submission. Rogan used the term "OMG OWNED!" After the Lyoto lose he is still my runner up for Fighter of the year. He came out of no where and did something still unmatched. "SAFARI PUNCH!"

9.) Rashad Evans(11-0-1) 28, UFC, Jackson's Gaidojutsu Academy

Is 6-0-1 in UFC. Won the TUF 2's heavyweight division. A foul caused him to get a draw against Tito Ortiz. Defeated undefeated(cough) fighter Micheal Bisping by split decision. Dana White said he is "TOP FIVE!" in the division. Unfortunately, no one else agrees with him. TKO'd Jason Lambert and defeated Keith Jardine in a TUF exhibition fight by decision. Fights under Ghengis Khan and trains with GSP. Used to train under MMA legend Dan "the Beast" Severn. Its thought that he will go down in weight eventually. I wonder who he is going to fight next? Alexander? Sokoudjou? W/T Silva?


8 Wanderlei Silva (31-7-1) 31, UFC, Xtreme Couture/His own team
What a warrior this man is. Sprinkle crap on anyone who says he is a coward or doesn't keep his word. I hope his MRI goes well. He said he was going to knock out Chuck Liddell and settled for nothing less. Hence losing the decision and the fall in rankings. Wanderlei is 0-3 lately being knocked out by Dan Henderson and Cro Cop and dropping a decision to Chuck Liddell at UFC 79. If he is still healthy and Chuck is still healthy lets see a rematch! That fight was 100% pure excitement!

Though honestly its not the 2004 version of the "axe murder" we'd like to see in 2007 and not the six pack bearing "Iceman" of 2005. This was a dream matchup and even though I am not happy some turd gutted Pride just to get this matchup under his terms I am happy to see them go and get the reaction they got. Wanderlei shouldn't feel sad but he should take some time away from fighting if he had his brain scrambled. Thank you Wanderlei for being a warrior and sticking to your guns is what I'd like to say after that fight but in the capacity of a booker doing ranking I'd advice him to fight Sokoudjou or challenge Dan Henderson. I personally as a fan want to see Wanderlei vs. Chuck 2.


7.) Keith Jardine(13-3-1) 32, UFC, Jackson's Gaidojutsu Academy

Jardine defeated Forrest before Forrest became ranked. Keith's recent victory over Forrest is noted and gets him ranked along with his decision victory over Chuck Liddell. What hurt him to the degree of not getting title consideration is the lost against a guy they plucked out of the bush leagues. Houston Alexander loss hurt Jardine big time. Alexander is by no means a jobber but its like losing a random draw. You hold your cards at 21 and the dealer gets a blackjack. "Ouch, I lost some chips there." Keith Jardine's victory over Chuck was the biggest in his career. He is needs to keep getting them victories to remain up here and not loseto bush league guys no matter what demon is possessing them. I am sure Ghengis Khan has already got plans for Jardine and Evans. Without a doubt they have 100% improved under his care.


6.) Chuck Liddell(21-5) 38, UFC, John Hackleman

Even though he no longer is in the same condition he was as the above picture Chuck fought a standup war and used all of the tools he has at his disposal to get a victory despite saying "I am going to knock him out!" That fight needs to happen again. Chuck should not retire. Not after seeing that fight! MOAR! Chuck sliped in the ranks due to losing to a guy who lost to a bush leaguer( despite the fact that the bush leaguer in question is the red hot Houston Alexander). Chuck clawed Wanderlei out of the top 5 and set himself up for another round at the top of the mountain.

[habbalah]

am not happy some turd gutted Pride just to get this matchup under his terms I am happy to see them go and get the reaction they got.

Which would you rather have? Pride or the match? I mean it's basically that's it came down to.

I already know the answer, but at least it's a nice conselation prize. Truth is I would have rather have Pride over the match as well (And it was some match). It's a rare treat to have a fight come any where near that level of hype.

It's a shame we never could have fights like these between both orgs back in the day. I don't think there would be any real losers if they all could have looked half as good as this one did.

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5.) Ryoto "The Dragon/Lyoto" Machida(12-0-0) 29, UFC, Black House MMA

Machida defeated Nakamura who was considered #10 by many and defeated the white hot African Assassin who has been considered as high as #4 in a number ranking. His "no damage" style has received alot of flack. So did Picasso. I remember Rogan saying "Lyoto rocked him" with a lighting fast punch. In reality Lyoto tripped Sokoudjou!

Ryoto took Sokoudjou apart! That and his ability to alway win gives Machida his current position. The UFC needs to look at how they can capitalize on what could be a Karate revolution!

4.)Mauricio "Shogun" Rua(16-3-0) 26, UFC, Team Link

Shogun was the top ranked fighter at light heavyweight for the past few years. The new hulking mass of UFC fan joining the internet discussions learning more about the sport helped built him up to be near legend. I forget who said "Tournaments don't make champions... they make heroes!" Shogun suffered a an injury when he moved up in weight and fought against UFC Legend Mark "The Hammer" Coleman. Shogun hasn't been the same since. He lost recently to Forrest Griffin. In shocking fashion. Making Forrest a top contender. The margin Shogun had when he was #1 was so great that even with his poor proformance against Forrest he falls only a few places. To rank anyone else over him at this point is jumping the gun and killing Forrest buzz.

3.) Dan Henderson(22-6-0) 37, UFC, Team Quest

Is 37 and a veteran of nearly 30 pro fights with no end in sight to his successful career. Lost a hard fought decision against Rampage in September. Meaning he is VERY active in this weightclass. Yes, I know he is fighting Anderson Silva. He is doing what the UFC wants and what the fans want Dan Henderson vs. Anderson Silva. The facts are this; he defeated Wanderlei Silva by KO(not decision) when Wanderlei was the champion, he lost an iffy decision against the #1 ranked Jackson, and defeated Vitor Belfort by UD last year. Giving him a solid 2-1 at the highest tier( He looked better then Tito against Vitor) in the weight class. Dan Henderson slips to #2 because of Forrest Griffin's victory over Shogun.

2.) Forrest Griffin(15-4-0) 29, UFC, Xtreme Couture

Is 6-2 in UFC. Lost an iffy split decision to Tito Ortiz in '06 which looked to have a gentleman's agreement not to kick Tito's injured leg. Lost to Keith Jardine before Jardine was steamrolled by Alexander. It looked like his goose was cook as far as fighter stock. He was given a choice by Joel Silva/Dana White on which fight to take next either A.) Ryoto Machida or B.) Maurico "Shogun" Rua. Deciding he'd have more to win by defeating Rua he wisely picked that matchup. Now after making Shogun submit Forrest has the spotlight once again. I bet Tito Ortiz would like a rematch now ;D Dana White selected him to be the next coach of TUF and will get the title shot against fellow coach and #1 Ranked Light Heavyweight Jackson.


1.) Quinton "Rampage" Jackson(28-6-0) 29, UFC, Juanito Ibarra



He didn't look to happy about Chuck beating Wanderlei. I don't think we will be seeing those two fighting anytime soon. Can Rampage maintain his position in one of the most talent packed divisions in UFC?

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habbalah said:

am not happy some turd gutted Pride just to get this matchup under his terms I am happy to see them go and get the reaction they got.

Which would you rather have? Pride or the match? I mean it's basically that's it came down to.

I already know the answer, but at least it's a nice conselation prize. Truth is I would have rather have Pride over the match as well (And it was some match). It's a rare treat to have a fight come any where near that level of hype.

It's a shame we never could have fights like these between both orgs back in the day. I don't think there would be any real losers if they all could have looked half as good as this one did.

The fight could have happened and would have happened sans the Sakuzagate... eventually

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MMA WEEKLY
LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (205-pound limit)

#1 Light Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Quinton Jackson

2. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua

3. Dan Henderson

4. Chuck Liddell

5. Lyoto Machida

6. Keith Jardine

7. Forrest Griffin

8. Wanderlei Silva

9. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou

10. Ricardo Arona

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Sherdog
1. Quinton Jackson
2. Dan Henderson
3. Keith Jardine
4. Forrest Griffin
5. Chuck Liddell
6. Mauricio Rua
7. Lyoto Machida
8. Wanderlei Silva
9. Rashad Evans
10. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou

MMA Fighting.com
1. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
2. Dan Henderson
3. Chuck Liddell
4. Forrest Griffin
5. Wanderlei Silva
6. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
7. Keith Jardine
8. Lyoto Machida
9. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
10. Tito Ortiz

I don't see the logic in most of these.

[habbalah]

Um their picking their favorites? It's the only thing I can come up with.

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habbalah said:

Um their picking their favorites? It's the only thing I can come up with.

Yep...

3. Keith Jardine (Pictures) (13-3-1)
Proof that a good game plan and a quality fight camp can get you far in MMA, Keith Jardine (Pictures) enjoyed the benefits of both on Sept. 22 in out-pointing former UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell (Pictures). Like Liddell, "The Dean of Mean" was returning to the ring for the first time since suffering a brutal knockout loss, but Jardine showed no ill effects in winning. Wanderlei Silva (Pictures)'s loss to Chuck Liddell (Pictures) allows Jardine to climb one spot, from fourth to third.

It just makes no sense. When you put the last two years head to head between Forrest Griffin and Jardine. Sure Jardine beat Forrest. Before he lost to Houston "Downtown Destruction" Alexander. Forrest's win over Shogun>Jardine's win over Liddell. Also add a hard fought decision loss to Tito Ortiz. Forrest should be in the top five and above Jardine. Jardine hard fought decision loss was against Stephan Bonnar.

[habbalah]

Well in all fairness Duce it's pretty damn hard to rank Jardine and Forrest.

I mean a rematch would really clear all that up. I know why I'd rank Forrest higher, but I could see where someone would put Jardine ahead of Forrest. I mean honestly I think Alexander when given the chance and not handled carefully could be very dangerous.

Think of him like Igor back in early pride (only Housten isn't cursed by a lack of reach).

I do think Jardine just got careless against Alexander when he was him wabbled and rushed into finish. Jardine really doesn't have stoppping power.
(Look at this fight with mike white head, or Wilson Gouvea). He disects fighters with his striking and leg kicks. It's a good style, but I wouldn't call him a knock out artist. I'm guessing he was letting his knock out over Forrest got to his head and wanted a high light real finish.

Is Forrest style improved enough to take the Dean of mean? Thoughts?

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habbalah said:

Well in all fairness Duce it's pretty damn hard to rank Jardine and Forrest.

I mean a rematch would really clear all that up. I know why I'd rank Forrest higher, but I could see where someone would put Jardine ahead of Forrest. I mean honestly I think Alexander when given the chance and not handled carefully could be very dangerous.

Think of him like Igor back in early pride (only Housten isn't cursed by a lack of reach).

I do think Jardine just got careless against Alexander when he was him wabbled and rushed into finish. Jardine really doesn't have stoppping power.
(Look at this fight with mike white head, or Wilson Gouvea). He disects fighters with his striking and leg kicks. It's a good style, but I wouldn't call him a knock out artist. I'm guessing he was letting his knock out over Forrest got to his head and wanted a high light real finish.

Is Forrest style improved enough to take the Dean of mean? Thoughts?

Really well thought out rankings on everyone's part. So much of it is subjective and as Hab said, you never know until they fight each other.

Forrest and Jardine are very closely matched in my mind. Though Jardine made short work of Forrest in their first meeting, Im sure Griffin would adjust his gameplan accordingly in their second bout. I think overall Forrest has been more impressive but you cant over look Jardine's KO win over him. With that in mind I would have to rank Jardine over him (ala Serra out ranking GSP.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! ;D You can't use Matt Serra>GSP logic on this one.

Here I thought I explained the logic pretty well on the ranking Forrest>Jardine. I wholely understand and agree with how well they matchup and a rematch would clear alot of thing up for sure. I'll explain again with PICTURES so everyone(even if you just clicked on the thread to see whats up-SHERDOG WRITERS!) can see this very level and balancing method.

We start in the beginning
Keith Jardine
4/6/2006 Will be the best point for Jardine seeing as Ghengis Khan has taken his reigns and he is fighting Light Heavyweights in the UFC. It is also post TUF. Jardine with this fight puts himself on the map in the LHW division. He is by no means even a top 30 fighter here.
Stephan Bonnar L Decision (losing a hard fought decision is almost the best way to lose)



Forrest Griffin
4/15/2006 Forrest Griffin at this point in his career was TUF 1 winner with notable wins over Bonnar, Chael Sonnen, and Elvis Sinosic. In the top 30 to be sure.
Forrest challenges Tito Ortiz and fights him under a gentleman's agreement( no kicking the injured leg).

Tito Ortiz L Decision(split) (the best way to lose a fight by a split decision) The Tito fight elevated Forrest's status as Tito was considered by many to be a top ten LHW fighter.

Keith Jardine
6/24/2006 The Wilson Gouveia fight. Wilson at that point in his career was making his UFC debute. His biggest fight was against Yokoi at heavyweight and he was 6-3. Not a win to boost you in the rankings especially due the decision but a good buffer to keep him in our memory.
Wilson Gouveia W Decision(not the best way to beat someone)


Forrest Griffin
8/26/2006 Griffin-Bonnar 2 The chessmatch. Griffin took this decision also. Giving him two wins over a man who defeated Jardine and eeking Forrest ever closer in the top twenty.
Stephan Bonnar W Decision(worst way to win other then a split winning a chessmatch as per Dana White/see Dan Severn)


-NOW WE HAVE THE KO LOSS JARDINE OVER FORREST-
If we were here in this point in time and Forrest was the champ then you can use Serra>GSP

Forrest Griffin Keith Jardine
12/30/2006 Jardine wins by KO 4:41 round 1(excellent victory Jardine has now put himself in the top 30 and is threating to be placed in the top 20.

Keith Jardine -HUGE MILESTONE- ENTER ALEXANDER
5/26/2007 Jardine was supposed to fight Jason Lambert and threaten the top 15 LHW possibly shaking up the ranknings. Lambert vs. Jardine would have been awesome and proved Jardine worth against top competition after KO'n Forrest. Lambert was injured and Jardine didn't want to fight Machida. UFC called up a man who sure proved that he deserves to be there and apparently has two big fans in both of the posters in this threads sans me.

Houston Alexander has a spotty MMA record. Making Rickson Gracie claims of being 400-0 and being an unknown ( I invite you to look at this link fcfighter.brinkster.net/fighter.asp?FighterID=13174 ). Jardine knew nothing of his opponett and didn't properly prepare for the steam roller that is Alexander. All I have to say about a rematch between the two is "Ghengis Khan" I have faith in Greg Jackson's ability to come up with a good gameplan against a fighter with a poor groundgame.

Jardine was the huge favor and was KTFO against a bush leaguer. If you wanted to fight this guy you'd just have to go to your Nebraska watering hole and enter the kumite. Alexander was not even on the map before Jardine. This was like Jardine losing to Mark Bear. Jardine fell out of the top 30 and Alexander was threatening it.
Houston Alexander L KO :48(horrible way to lose against an unknown)

Forrest Griffin
6/16/2007 Hector Ramirez
Hector Ramirez W decision (another poor showing by Forrest just a buffer to maintain his position near the 20 spot.

9/8/2007 Houston TKO's Sakura Jardine stock rises with Houston's continued success

Forrest Griffin
9/22/2007 Mauricio "Shogun" Rua. Listen to Forrest commentary before the fight. The margin Shogun had over the rest of the top ten as a #1( especially with Rampage's success) was WIDE. He is an uncrowned champion. Defeating Rua was HUGE. Dana White will agree. Forrest has the next title shot. Using Serra>GSP Forrest Griffin is now the #1 contender and should be ranked over Jardine.
Mauricio Rua W submission round 3

Keith Jardine
9/22/2007 Chuck Liddell fight. At this point Chuck had lost against Rampage and was ranked under Wanderlei. #5 at best.
Chuck Liddell W Decision (Split Decision) (Not the best way to win but its a win over Liddell none the less. I personally felt it should have been a UD)

(Note Jardine rocks and I am a fan of Greg Jackson's camp)

Seeing all of this unfold and then saying its logical to rank Jardine over Forrest makes no sense.

[habbalah]

See it's like reading VCR instructions.
(You did a good job, just saying). I do know why it works, but I don't expect everyone to pick up on it.

[Cosmic Crippler]

Wow. Heck of a breakdown DUCE. I can definetly see your point. Seeing as Forrest has done more overall and lately would be a solid reason to have him outranking Jardine. So yes, you have changed my mind. I do however can see how someone would rank Jardine over Forrest because of the KO. I may disagree (after your essay-like argument) with it, but that doesn't mean some one elses ranking doesnt make sense.

Maybe this is the PRIDE groupie in me, but I would love to see a 8-16 man grand prix at the LHW division. It may not be definitive but it sure would be an awesome way to get some questions answered.

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curlig76 said:

Wow. Heck of a breakdown DUCE. I can definetly see your point. Seeing as Forrest has done more overall and lately would be a solid reason to have him outranking Jardine. So yes, you have changed my mind. I do however can see how someone would rank Jardine over Forrest because of the KO. I may disagree (after your essay-like argument) with it, but that doesn't mean some one elses ranking doesnt make sense.

Maybe this is the PRIDE groupie in me, but I would love to see a 8-16 man grand prix at the LHW division. It may not be definitive but it sure would be an awesome way to get some questions answered.

I am right there with you. I love the grand prix. I just don't understand how they used the logic demostrated above and then drop said logic for Keith Jardine. ;D

The COTG promoter in me demands internet MMA logic on display, Sherdog writers!

habbalah said:

See it's like reading VCR instructions.
(You did a good job, just saying). I do know why it works, but I don't expect everyone to pick up on it.

LOL,

[habbalah]

It's mma Geometry (LOL) or even calculus.

It sure was a lot easier to do rankings back in the day when you had to major orgs and a persons top ten just showed someone’s personal preference? Now we have to crunch head to head performance of fighter a..vs fighter b.. divide well fought fight by fighter c, and multiplied by domination of fighter d.

I think in time we’ll see more well balanced top tens, it’s just people have been making top tens from their gut for so long it’s going to be a hard habit to brake.

I wonder what Joe Rogan's top ten looks like.

The COTG promoter  
It has a nice ring to it, alright I'll run with that nick name.
I miss Cotg pride (or rather pride for).

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habbalah said:

It's mma Geometry (LOL) or even calculus.

It sure was a lot easier to do rankings back in the day when you had to major orgs and a persons top ten just showed someone’s personal preference? Now we have to crunch head to head performance of fighter a..vs fighter b.. divide well fought fight by fighter c, and multiplied by domination of fighter d.

I think in time we’ll see more well balanced top tens, it’s just people have been making top tens from their gut for so long it’s going to be a hard habit to brake.

I wonder what Joe Rogan's top ten looks like.

The COTG promoter  
It has a nice ring to it, alright I'll run with that nick name.
I miss Cotg pride (or rather pride for).

Rogan has three personalities. The entertainment one as seen in Fear Factor and his online highjinks( ), the commentator ala WCW, and the guy who loves MMA the sport.

I wouldn't mind seeing how he places everyone in UFC in every division sans the broken heavyweight one.

[habbalah]

For three personalities, i really think it's just moods for Rogan. Ever catch him during a boring fight?

"You know over Japan I hear they have these things called yellow cards" (all suggestive like).

I mean the guys not a robot. I kinda like that. I like knowing the people behind the sport i watch have a pulse.