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Post by JMello on Dec 30, 2007 11:02:31 GMT -5
So who's more dominant right now, GSP or Anderson Silva? Tough call, if you ask me. No question its Anderson Silva. If and only if GSP can avenge his loss to Serra in dominating fashion, will he be nearly as dominant as the Spider. I enjoy watching each guy, but currently Anderson has a lock on his weight division. And I do hope GSP takes over and dominates, because he's very entertaining and show's nothing but class and respect even when he doesn't like his opponent. As far as the rest of the night, what a let down it was to see Sokodouj practically manhandled. First Cro Cop, now Sokodouj, and Wanderlei, PRIDE isn't looking too good, with the exception of Rampage. And to think, I use to be a mark for PRIDE, well at least for Fedor. Anyways Melvin getting his arse handed to him is expected and I believe he is just not committed to the sport. He'd rather "look good and lose, then look bad and win." Yeah, that's a "White Men Can't Jump" quote. |
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Post by hofclemens on Dec 30, 2007 11:26:06 GMT -5
Atleast Silva wasn't manhandled like the others atleast. Nog, Anderson Silva and Gono to me have done well in keeping the pride name alive. Anderson Silva had a few stops in between Pride/UFC so his name doesnt get brought up in the Pride discussion. I still think there are guys out there like Mach who can wave the Pride banner and do well.
Not at all surprised by Sokodouj. Once he didnt end the fight in the first 90 seconds I figured he was in for a long night.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 30, 2007 13:57:31 GMT -5
Great card! Man, I went 1 for 5 in my pics last night Guillard lloked sluggish and needs to seriously work on submission defense. Soko looked very poor last night, he tried to muscle a few escapes from the bottom and when that did not work, he simply held Machida in place. He got a look of not wanting to be in there when he tapped out. Come on, man, a top level judoka should not just crap out just because he has no gi to help him leverage out. Machida looked very good. He had a solid game plan and executed very well. Sanchez looked pretty decent laast night- It is tough to fight a guy not willing to engage. Good to see Manvel Gamburyan back. too bad he messed up that guy's knee with the Achilles lock. Chuck Looked great last night. He was spot on and landed some very good shots. I think Silva was a little gun shy- he needed to go all out in the third and did not. Great fight GSP is a monster. Hughes had nothing for him. At the end of the first round Hughes jad a look of wating to be somewhere else. GSP is going to be around a long time. I agree with you on all points. I remember telling everyone to watch Soku and see him demolish Lyoto. That makes me 0-10 for predictions...lol. I thought Silva Liddell was a classic. They whole bar was on their feet everytime they exchanged. I think no LHW has ever hit Silva that hard that many times( maybe Hendo but he wasnt conscious to react to it). Though it was amazing he was still standing he did look tentative in the third round. Chuck's style was made to counter Silva's and his two ( i think it was two) takedowns showed some smart tactics. Great fight all around. Though Silva didnt win I think his performance will gaurantee a spot in the LHW division. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 30, 2007 20:21:51 GMT -5
Hate to sound like Rogan or Goldberg, but Soko did have quite a bit of pressure on him last night. His first fight in the big stage stateside and he did not have an easy opponent by any means. He is pretty young, and still fairly new to the game, and is still working to improve his striking. That all aside, he did not set the pace and push forward like he did with Little Nog and Arona. It is also frustrating to see a nidan in judo and a guy who works with team Quest to be content to avoid damage on the ground and hold position. This guy, despite his being dominatd last night, has a huge upswing and a ton of potential.
He did hit a sick looking o uchi gari- too bad Machida recovered very nicely and Soko could not capitalize
I also did not like him being introduced merely as "Sokoudjou", sort of like they did with Mirko "CroCop". I thought they wanted to distance themselves from prowrestling?
Just like Houston Alexander, when Remy Theirry Sokoudjou returns to the Octagon, I'll be there waiting to cheer for him.
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Post by habbalah on Dec 31, 2007 15:59:29 GMT -5
Well it's rather quite convenient to say "he had alot of pressure."
The man had alot pressure facing Nog in Pride for crying out loud (in his very first Pride fight). You know... the Big show over seas. The one everyone dreams about fighting in. He really should be past the whole "alot pressure excuse."
Do you know why he lost? Machida knew what to look out for. He wasn't some nameless gimmie slub anymore. He was a threat and he was treated like one.
I'm sure (Or rather I hope he bounces back). This will be good for his Soku's ego. He's blown up really big really fast, and he could use a little humility.
Or maybe he lost because he wasn't able to floor who he was fighting in under 2 min. I didn't seem team quests legendary cardio in this guy. He needs to work on that.
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Post by DUCE on Dec 31, 2007 16:41:28 GMT -5
Well it's rather quite convenient to say "he had alot of pressure." I'm sure (Or rather I hope he bounces back). This will be good for his Soku's ego. I do to.  I was on Lyoto's bandwagon since Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye( that would be 2003). I LOVED THAT FIGHT AND THIS CARD! Sans the heavyweight bout. Sokoudjou lost. Big deal. Wanderlei and Chuck should happen one more time! That fight was awesome! Wand took the dreaded eye poke and keeped on fighting! Holy crap did you see Chuck dropping on his butt twice? The slips those were were slips of consciousness!   I've got alot to say about this fight. I WANT MORE DAMMIT! MOAR! FIVE ROUNDS! WAND is a warrior. He said he was going to KO Wand and if he couldn't he'd lose. Chuck said the same thing but that changed... |
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Post by Swarm on Dec 31, 2007 16:45:48 GMT -5
UFC has been pretty gay lately. I'm sick of getting cards with two (if that) good fights on them. Tired of these no name jobbers filling up the cards. Boring.
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Post by DUCE on Dec 31, 2007 17:48:50 GMT -5
UFC has been pretty gay lately. I'm sick of getting cards with two (if that) good fights on them. Tired of these no name jobbers filling up the cards. Boring. Your talking about that heavyweight fight no doubt. |
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Post by dukedave on Dec 31, 2007 18:05:13 GMT -5
There are only so many great matchups to make. That card had three. Soku looked like crap but the hardcore fans were looking forward to it. I think Machida is going to somehow get screwed by the BS TUF layoff that makes us wait another 4 months before Rampage/Griffin. He deserves a title fight but I sense something happening and him getting pushed aside ala Karo. BTW - When is Karo going to get his shot, are they gonna keep putting him in there until he loses so they can say, oh well, too bad.
When you put on 12-13 PPV's a year plus UFN 4-5 times a year how can someone expect to see superstar fighters every time. However, I'm not sure why the Sanchez fight was on the main card though.
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 31, 2007 18:18:42 GMT -5
Habs, I did not mean to underplay Machida. He had a great game plan, as well as an effective style. He executed well and dominated. Forgive me for looking out for a fellow Judoka!  And Swarm, the UFC has about 4 or 5 guys that put asses in seats and if those guys fight on all on one card, then the next several cards will suck b alls. After each fight, every fighter is medically suspended about two weeks, more if they have some serious damage. That means time they are suspended from training. I am sure most break that rule at some point, but still, it is pretty implausible to have guys at this level fight every month. The match makers do their best to put together good match ups without shooting their load all in one card. Sometimes their best plans do not really pay off. Twelve years ago, Dan Severn/ Ken Shamrock was a golden fight on paper- in reality it was a raher boring clinic on how not to engage. More recently, Koschek and Sanchez was supposed to be a clash of two former TUFer's that were going to tear into each other- did not happen. Sokoudjou was also supposed to make some big waves Saturday- did not happen. And then sometimes you have the two "no name jobbers" like Tyson Griffin and Clay Guyida who put on a supreme match., Or a "no name jobber" like Houston Alexander who came in with an exciting style and after two had numerous people wanting to see him fight. Again, there is no real quailty control when it comes to real contests. |
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Post by habbalah on Dec 31, 2007 18:41:04 GMT -5
I would have liked the five rounds as well Duce.. but lets be honest... they where kinda gassed after 3.
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Post by DUCE on Dec 31, 2007 18:45:15 GMT -5
I would have liked the five rounds as well Duce.. but lets be honest... they where kinda gassed after 3. Exactly why if the MRI is willing on Wanderlei they can TRAIN for such a fight! ;D |
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Post by habbalah on Dec 31, 2007 18:46:17 GMT -5
I think Machida is going to somehow get screwed by the BS TUF layoff that makes us wait another 4 months before Rampage/Griffin.
I think fans said the same thing about GSP and his hunt for his title belt the first time.
He got there. That's what real champs do.
And then sometimes you have the two "no name jobbers" like Tyson Griffin and Clay Guyida who put on a supreme match., Or a "no name jobber" like Houston Alexander who came in with an exciting style and after two had numerous people wanting to see him fight.
You are about to be flamed with all due respect in T minus 1 second.
TYSON GRIFFIN IS A NO NAME JOBBER! I ought pimp slap you all over COTG!... (heh sorry).
My God man.... thought shelt love the light weight division! It's one of the only rules I've picked up from sherdog that ever meant anything.
The man has a win over FAber for crying out loud! And Brock Larson!... what does this man have to do to get some love and respect?
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Post by DUCE on Dec 31, 2007 18:48:25 GMT -5
There are only so many great matchups to make. That card had three. Soku looked like crap but the hardcore fans were looking forward to it. I think Machida is going to somehow get screwed by the BS TUF layoff that makes us wait another 4 months before Rampage/Griffin. He deserves a title fight but I sense something happening and him getting pushed aside ala Karo. BTW - When is Karo going to get his shot, are they gonna keep putting him in there until he loses so they can say, oh well, too bad. When you put on 12-13 PPV's a year plus UFN 4-5 times a year how can someone expect to see superstar fighters every time. However, I'm not sure why the Sanchez fight was on the main card though. See the INSIDE MMA thread for info on the episode with KAro on the quest panel he talks alot about his upcoming future in it. |
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Post by DUCE on Dec 31, 2007 18:49:18 GMT -5
I think Machida is going to somehow get screwed by the BS TUF layoff that makes us wait another 4 months before Rampage/Griffin. I think fans said the same thing about GSP and his hunt for his title belt the first time. He got there. That's what real champs do. I agree. I don't think Machida will deflate if you put a fork in him. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 31, 2007 18:51:07 GMT -5
Karo is supposed to be next after the Serra /GSP fight.
I think he will not have a great performace against his next opponent and Fitch will get it.
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Post by habbalah on Dec 31, 2007 18:53:10 GMT -5
I think Machida is going to somehow get screwed by the BS TUF layoff that makes us wait another 4 months before Rampage/Griffin. I think fans said the same thing about GSP and his hunt for his title belt the first time. He got there. That's what real champs do. I agree. I don't think Machida will deflate if you put a fork in him. LOL best qoute eva. |
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Post by DUCE on Dec 31, 2007 18:57:39 GMT -5
I agree. I don't think Machida will deflate if you put a fork in him. LOL best qoute eva.  |
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Post by dukedave on Dec 31, 2007 20:22:11 GMT -5
I think Machida is going to somehow get screwed by the BS TUF layoff that makes us wait another 4 months before Rampage/Griffin. I think fans said the same thing about GSP and his hunt for his title belt the first time. No. I don't think that was what they said since GSP was RUSHed (get it) into a match with Hughes way before he was ready and lost. He waited two years and then got another shot at Hughes and whipped his a$$. Karo had a planned title shot and due to injury it went poof, like Keyser Soze. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 31, 2007 20:55:14 GMT -5
I think Machida is going to somehow get screwed by the BS TUF layoff that makes us wait another 4 months before Rampage/Griffin. I think fans said the same thing about GSP and his hunt for his title belt the first time. He got there. That's what real champs do. And then sometimes you have the two "no name jobbers" like Tyson Griffin and Clay Guyida who put on a supreme match., Or a "no name jobber" like Houston Alexander who came in with an exciting style and after two had numerous people wanting to see him fight. You are about to be flamed with all due respect in T minus 1 second. TYSON GRIFFIN IS A NO NAME JOBBER! I ought pimp slap you all over COTG!... (heh sorry). My God man.... thought shelt love the light weight division! It's one of the only rules I've picked up from sherdog that ever meant anything. The man has a win over FAber for crying out loud! And Brock Larson!... what does this man have to do to get some love and respect? Chill out, man! Notice the quotes, which imply that no I do not think he is a "no name jobber", but he was (and still is) largely unknown by the causal public. I knew one of you was going to jump on me for this. Read, man read! |
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IPPON!!
I was on Lyoto's bandwagon since Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye( that would be 2003). I LOVED THAT FIGHT AND THIS CARD! Sans the heavyweight bout. Sokoudjou lost. Big deal. Wanderlei and Chuck should happen one more time! That fight was awesome! Wand took the dreaded eye poke and keeped on fighting! Holy crap did you see Chuck dropping on his butt twice? The slips those were were slips of consciousness!
I've got alot to say about this fight. I WANT MORE DAMMIT! MOAR! FIVE ROUNDS! WAND is a warrior. He said he was going to KO Wand and if he couldn't he'd lose. Chuck said the same thing but that changed...
