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Post by LWPD on May 12, 2007 16:28:39 GMT -5
I saw a link to an interesting article regarding the role of 'entertainment value' in MMA. If the growing casual fan base is to be converted into recurring loyalists...it's an issue that's going to have to be addressed as thoroughly as possible. For the record I side more with the arguments made in the counterpoint.
Courtesy gamecritics.com
Fight Critic: Should fighters apologize for boring fights?
By Chi Kong Lui
After Andrei Arlovski's victory over Fabricio Werdum at UFC 70, he apologized to the crowd in his post-fight interview for not winning the fight in a more exciting fashion. This was a fight that Arlovski clearly dominated in the rare exchanges that took place, but neither fighter pushed the pace in the later rounds and the crowd booed the general lack of aggression.
Arlovski established a lead early on in the scorecards and his corner saw no reason to jeopardize the lead and instructed him to keep the fight standing and trade conservatively from the outside. To Werdum and his corner's discredit, despite obviously being behind on the scorecards, they saw no urgency to take the fight to Arlovski or perhaps Werdum was physically unable to do so due to injury or damage. The result was a boring technical fight that saw more dancing than punches or kicks.
The question is should Arlovski have jeopardized his sure-fire victory by recklessly attacking or should we, as spectators, appreciate what he did to achieve victory rather than boo his efforts?
If you consider MMA to be an athletic competition, then you have to accept that coaches, trainers, and fighters do not strategize and plan on how to "beat the crap out of someone" or "take his head off." They strategize on how to achieve victory and, unfortunately, those goals don't always include knocking someone out or even finishing the fight. This may be in direct contrast to what spectators want to see in terms of violence and excitement, but the reality is that victory can often be boring.
After Heath Herring's debut lose to Jake O'Brien on an Ultimate Fight Night, I was astounded by his post-fight interview where he said he wasn't accustomed to the style of fighting in the UFC, as if to imply that fighters in Japan don't strategize and simply stand in front of one another, throwing bombs till someone drops. For anyone who's seen the much-publicized Pride fight between Don Frye and Yoshihiro Takayama, who repeatedly and simultaneously bludgeoned each in the face, this shouldn't be a surprise. In Japan, MMA is more akin to pro-wrestling (which seeks to thrill) than sport (which seeks to compete). Putting on a "show" is clearly prioritized over legitimacy and competition. Hence the continued presence of freakish sumo-sized combatants and fighters with embarrassingly poor losing records in all the top promotions in Japan.
But isn't the importance and legitimacy of victory what separates a true sport from pro-wrestling? If the UFC prioritized entertainment over wins, doesn't that make it no different than the WWE?
This dilemma has no easy answers and could even be considered paradoxical. If you ask a promoter what's most important in a fight, they'll usually say being exciting. Ask fighters the same question and they'll usually say winning is more important. Excitement is what spectators want to see, but if the fights aren't legitimately real, people wouldn't be interested to begin with.
Boring fights are tough to stomach, but if you consider MMA to be a competitive sport to legitimately test one's skill and determine the superior fighter, then you have accept that boring fights are a part of the game.
Counterpoint
In Japan, MMA is more akin...
By superhaloman
"In Japan, MMA is more akin to pro-wrestling (which seeks to thrill) than sport (which seeks to compete). Putting on a "show" is clearly prioritized over legitimacy and competition. Hence the continued presence of freakish sumo-sized combatants and fighters with embarrassingly poor losing records in all the top promotions in Japan."
You have a point here, but it should also be pointed out that the judging criteria in Pride stipulated that effort to finish was the supreme arbiter when judging a fight. This means that fights like Arlovski-Werdum would have been judged incredibly even under Pride rules since no one tried to finish. The fight could have been stolen in the last seconds by a determined attack by either fighter.
The point I'm trying to make is that we don't have to accept boring fights if we don't want to. What we could do is modify the rules in a way that encourages, or even demands action. As in the Pride example the fighter going for the finish could be rewarded, and if neither fighter tries to finish they could be punished, perhaps with yellow cards slashing their purse.
Again, if we know what we want from the fight, it's all a matter of formulating the rules accordingly. As it stands currently the fighters are sent conflicting messages. On the one hand a cautious but boring approach wins fights. On the other hand everyone involved is saying how they want action.
They should accept the consequence of their opinion and stop rewarding what they don't want to see. Returning to AA v. Werdum it could be argued that they both lost.
The purpose of the fight as seen by fighters, fans and promoters is currently in fundamental conflict. Promotors and fans want exciting action, fighters want victory. This schizophrenic situation could be cured by changing the rules in a way that makes it difficult or impossible to win without having produced exciting action.
This might seem a very radical course of action, but remember that similar things have happened before. I am referring to time limits, rounds and stand ups, for example.
Ultimately, any set of rules is always arbitrary, why not make rules that encourage the type of fighting you want to see?
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Post by DUCE on May 14, 2007 6:48:55 GMT -5
One thing all capitalists in the world will find concessional is the fact that the best job gives the highest amount money. The best people for the job will get the most money usually.  I'll be happy if Pride and UFC melt together and keep the good parts and toss the bad. I love the fight preformance bonus. Telling future Arlovskis "Yes you are sorry!" and making the decision a no contest would be fine with me. |
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Post by habbalah on May 14, 2007 13:25:59 GMT -5
Really trying with all your might to no sell that win? Hell Sherdoggers don't try as hard as you do Duce.
Honestly if the fight would happened in Pride Arlvoski still would won. He just would been carded a few times. Werdum as well. In the long run of things (and I shouldn't ask this) would you really be all that better off knowing "AH i feel better, that mma fighters getting ripped off now! So that makes up for this crap fight!"
Well with your hatred for Arlovski I'm pretty sure you would. Amar S. from Red Devil fight club fights with a simliar style as Arlovski (suprised no one else pointed this out). Brawl and sprawl. Sometimes it's exciting (Amar Vs Bustamante) and sometimes it's not (Dean lister.... but Dean Lister is never exciting and no one should be faulted for that).
It's a matter of properly matching Arlvoski up. I'm pretty sure Duce your one of those posters who respects Pedro the rock Hizzo (hope I spelt that right). And guess what? At times Pedro could be as boring as all nine hells.
How come Pedro doesn't get this level of Hatred? WIth his legendary sprawl, a guy like him most likely would beat Werdum as well. He did Beat Ricco and Josh.
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Post by DUCE on May 14, 2007 18:57:28 GMT -5
Really trying with all your might to no sell that win? Hell Sherdoggers don't try as hard as you do Duce. Honestly if the fight would happened in Pride Arlvoski still would won. He just would been carded a few times. Werdum as well. In the long run of things (and I shouldn't ask this) would you really be all that better off knowing "AH i feel better, that mma fighters getting ripped off now! So that makes up for this crap fight!" Well with your hatred for Arlovski I'm pretty sure you would. Amar S. from Red Devil fight club fights with a simliar style as Arlovski (suprised no one else pointed this out). Brawl and sprawl. Sometimes it's exciting (Amar Vs Bustamante) and sometimes it's not (Dean lister.... but Dean Lister is never exciting and no one should be faulted for that). It's a matter of properly matching Arlvoski up. I'm pretty sure Duce your one of those posters who respects Pedro the rock Hizzo (hope I spelt that right). And guess what? At times Pedro could be as boring as all nine hells. How come Pedro doesn't get this level of Hatred? WIth his legendary sprawl, a guy like him most likely would beat Werdum as well. He did Beat Ricco and Josh. , our arguement as always been at the foundation that during 98-06 the top tier of fighting talent has either been in Pride(Duce) or UFC(habbalah). We each have a minor campaign point. Your dislike of the Japanese and my dislike of Dana White. I don't honestly HATE Arlovski. I've never met him. I do not like the farce pretty boy/invincible streak cover up that Dana White put on because he didn't have the money nor connections to detour the top fighters from the big show. Dana White has been the head guy for the Fertitta brothers and has been actually learning from his mistakes but alot of fighters don't like him or the NSAC. %3B10080203.jpg) My first reasoning for knowing Pride was a bigger and better promotion was my experience with Pride when I was stationed in Sasebo, Japan onboard the USS Essex from 2001 to 2004. The PPV buys in Japan and the way the Japanese reguard fighters is something we are only now starting to see. You could get a only five channels in a hotel room during new years eve and one of them had Pride and one of them had K-1. Everyone on the card was getting a good paycheck not just the main event guys or Dana White's buddies or the Fertitta's favorites. I am sure there were some fixes as the Yakuza has its hands in everything in Japan. That doesn't discount the fact that the Pride FC was the better promotion.  Here is Pedro Rizzo was someone in UFC and nobody in Pride. Please do not insult me by saying I am worse then a sherdog forum poster because I consider that flaming. I don't hate nor hold any disreguard for you Habbalah dispite your constant attempts to find faults in my posts. |
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Post by habbalah on May 16, 2007 1:51:27 GMT -5
Yes Duce I hate the Japanese. *bangs head.*
My a$$. I love asian culture. Japan has about as many faults culture wise as the US but let's not get off target. (this is only gonna get uglier if we do).
Honestly I could care less about the Yakuza. That was DSE (or who ever's) big oups as regretful as that was.
I do however feel compelled to speak up at all the times I was lead to believe that the ufc was the second class show. Deep down inside... I’ll admit it.... I more or less gave that a wink and a nodd. Just because I was lead to feel like a jag if I didn’t. Uninformed, foolish, and single minded. Low and behold as we started to see the cross over of talents between the ufc and pride.... I failed to see this huge so called divide in talent.
I had been so brain washed by the pride Elite I couldn’t even believe Nick Diaz ever stood a chance against Gomi. The most I ever could have hoped for was a noble showing.. And.... maybe a few nods of acknowledgment from Pride fans that their was some talent in the ufc.
That’s just one example. I couldn’t bring myself before the fight with Gabe and Cro cop to pick Gabe for the win with out having to feel like a chump.
After...fight..after fight.. After fight.. I’ve been left feeling like a chump instead of feeling open minded. I turn back to the so called elite old pride guard for answers... and I here cute words like fluke.. And a series of excuses.
I’m mad I let myself be sold a bill of goods.
And yes at times the ufc has been lacking. But to be honest not many Pride fans are quick to toss out credit where it’s due.
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I guess that would cut Filho’s win/lose record in half wouldn’t it? Oh that’s right I don’t recall him ever apologizing for a dull fight (Arona did against Dean Lister.. I don’t see you mentioning that).
I get really annoyed when you hold UFC to a higher standard and than turn around and hint at it being the B show.
Christ... Pride recently billed Jeff Monson as a ufc talent against Fujitta in a ufc vs Pride bout (And yes... I can see that as nothing more than good promoting). I just see it as being harder.. and harder for people to continue to hold Pride up as high.
WIth Fedor having left for Bodog, Filho wanting to leave town, Josh off in K-1 with Sergai, and two of Brazil. Top teams guys losing to a guy with only a hand ful of fights.
Be honest.. if some no named Judo guy came into the ufc and beat up Tito and Rashad most posters (the net over) would call him an over hyped can. I call him like I see him. Dan Handerson's brilliance (I champion Team quest over Pride and the ufc). Gomi keeps giving up loses and not the belt... Wanderlei is sinking faster and Faster, Pride's seen better days, or is it just not as protected anymore? Even if Pride was better at one time... I don't think many can make that claim now.
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Post by habbalah on May 16, 2007 1:55:13 GMT -5
Oh heh isn't that Don Fyre Duce? Not Pedro? Don't feel bad (kidding) i get white people mixed up all the time to.
I'm joking on this post... but i'd call this more than an attempt.
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Post by DMK II on May 16, 2007 6:31:31 GMT -5
MMA will eventually become fixed like Pro Wrestling because MMA promoters will come to realize, much like pro wraslin promoters did in the early part of the 20th century that having predetermined outcomes can lead to more exciteing matches and bigger paydays. Just as long as you don't break 'kayfabe' and keep the veil of realism place.
That was pro wrestling's biggest mistake. And thats probably why the industry has suffered so much in recent years.
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Post by DUCE on May 16, 2007 11:35:51 GMT -5
MMA will eventually become fixed like Pro Wrestling because MMA promoters will come to realize, much like pro wraslin promoters did in the early part of the 20th century that having predetermined outcomes can lead to more exciteing matches and bigger paydays. Just as long as you don't break 'kayfabe' and keep the veil of realism place. That was pro wrestling's biggest mistake. And thats probably why the industry has suffered so much in recent years.  |
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Post by habbalah on May 16, 2007 23:27:09 GMT -5
If boxing is fixed why didn't the golden boy when than smart guy?
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 17, 2007 12:40:38 GMT -5
MMA will eventually become fixed like Pro Wrestling because MMA promoters will come to realize, much like pro wraslin promoters did in the early part of the 20th century that having predetermined outcomes can lead to more exciteing matches and bigger paydays. Just as long as you don't break 'kayfabe' and keep the veil of realism place. That was pro wrestling's biggest mistake. And thats probably why the industry has suffered so much in recent years. I disagree that MMA will become fixed. The UFC may become fixed, but the sport of MMA will not be. There are too many fans of the 'real combat' aspect, and too many armchair fighters who feel empowered that they are fans of a real fighting sport and vehemently dislike pro wrest because pf the 'fake' fghting or the costumes or storylines or whatever for MMA to become truly fixed. Certain fights may be thrown or whatever, but as for become fixed, not in our lifetime. |
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Post by LWPD on May 17, 2007 19:45:51 GMT -5
Correct Turk. The common fallacy of 'MMA will inevitably become fixed' usually comes from fallout fans of contemporary pro wres who are now looking for 'something new' to entertain them. The moment UFC ever started to outright 'fix fights' it would lose Vegas and all of it's mainstream cred...which is what's driving the boom.
Looking back to times past the ability to 'hard work' MMA fights was a complete failure in Pride. Everyone saw through the Takada/Sturgeon and Takada/Coleman works and it hurt the organization. In the early days of UFC hardcore fans will remember when Don Frye worked a quick submission win against Mark Hall...or when Oleg Taktarov 'submitted' Macias. People were able to easily see through it back in it's earliest days...today with a much better educated audience and so much more at stake it would be even more obvious.
At most UFC can 'manipulate' scheduling for PPV 'dream matches' and stagger title fight money matches without consequence...but outright 'fixing fights' is blatantly suicidal...neither Dana White or the Ferritas are going to implode what they've worked so hard to build.
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Post by Darth Turkish on May 17, 2007 20:16:33 GMT -5
neither Dana White or the Ferritas are going to implode what they've worked so hard to build. Yet!!! Ha ha ha! Seriously, this is a sport where EVERYBODY has a chance to beat anybody. ANd while that mat hurt betting in Las Vegas and and big name recognition in the long run, it makes for exciting fights that are great for the fans. Is MMA a fad? Sure, I'd be willing to call it that. It's popularity will eventually fade, and it will become a sport on late night ESPN 2 or something. Japan and Europe will still enjoy the fights but the fast food, ADHD attention span of nil Americans will want the next thing to watch. But there will always be a small pocket of people who want to watch real unworked fights. I'll be one of them. |
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Post by LWPD on May 18, 2007 19:15:04 GMT -5
The attraction for a comprehensive combat sport has always been there...MMA has just realized the best format to meet that demand and has finally tapped into being visible and accepted as an option by the 'common guy' who watches sports. While a 'boom period' never lasts...this thing is here to stay on an ebb and flow 'part of American sports' level with the generation that's going to be running the world for the foreseeable future....and it's even done so on an international level. Just ask Vladimir Putin! 
LWPD (the willingness of people who would pay to watch 'worked' fights where promoters blatantly lie to them about spontaneous outcomes is where the real minority attraction comes in...VKM realized this inevitability a long time ago and adopted an openess about 'sports entertainment' that most people with common sense already understood...those who try to 'dupe' their consumers from a process standpoint invariably end up losing them) |
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Post by habbalah on May 19, 2007 1:27:18 GMT -5
Hmm will the mma gravy train in the states fail sooner rather than later? If so how much longer do we have?
If I had to guess... after Liddel and Couture retire if the ufc can not find a major star to replace them. Now at heavy weight have no fear. The ufc has most of the stars sooooo I'm guessing Couture should all to easily be repalced.
In theory fans nearly need to become familiar with Nog, Cro Cop, and Werdum. In theory. So far I think American fans (casual fans) are probrably cool with Cro Cop.. and with time he may become a major draw. They just haven't seen what he can do.
That leaves Werdum and Nog. Can these two style wise put A$$e$ in the seats? (heh the censor is very fitting in more ways than one).
Werdum might have a hard time finding a fan base in the ufc. I'm sure he'll pick up wins.. but we'll fans warm up to him? He's not off to a good start so far.
Now.. will Nog be a draw in the states to ufc fans not familair with his work over seas? I guess that's the million dollar question.
If not there's always Gonzaga.. who has learned to appease a crowd (considering what his first ufc fight looked like). It's a simple matter of seeing which fighters bubble birsts first and when.
If the mma bubble is going to pop i give it 3 years. IF.
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Post by DUCE on May 27, 2007 11:44:23 GMT -5
Yes Duce I hate the Japanese. *bangs head.* My a$$. I love asian culture. Japan has about as many faults culture wise as the US but let's not get off target. (this is only gonna get uglier if we do). Honestly I could care less about the Yakuza. That was DSE (or who ever's) big oups as regretful as that was. I do however feel compelled to speak up at all the times I was lead to believe that the ufc was the second class show. Deep down inside... I’ll admit it.... I more or less gave that a wink and a nodd. Just because I was lead to feel like a jag if I didn’t. Uninformed, foolish, and single minded. Low and behold as we started to see the cross over of talents between the ufc and pride.... I failed to see this huge so called divide in talent. I had been so brain washed by the pride Elite I couldn’t even believe Nick Diaz ever stood a chance against Gomi. The most I ever could have hoped for was a noble showing.. And.... maybe a few nods of acknowledgment from Pride fans that their was some talent in the ufc. That’s just one example. I couldn’t bring myself before the fight with Gabe and Cro cop to pick Gabe for the win with out having to feel like a chump. After...fight..after fight.. After fight.. I’ve been left feeling like a chump instead of feeling open minded. I turn back to the so called elite old pride guard for answers... and I here cute words like fluke.. And a series of excuses. I’m mad I let myself be sold a bill of goods. And yes at times the ufc has been lacking. But to be honest not many Pride fans are quick to toss out credit where it’s due. “ I guess that would cut Filho’s win/lose record in half wouldn’t it? Oh that’s right I don’t recall him ever apologizing for a dull fight (Arona did against Dean Lister.. I don’t see you mentioning that). I get really annoyed when you hold UFC to a higher standard and than turn around and hint at it being the B show. Christ... Pride recently billed Jeff Monson as a ufc talent against Fujitta in a ufc vs Pride bout (And yes... I can see that as nothing more than good promoting). I just see it as being harder.. and harder for people to continue to hold Pride up as high. WIth Fedor having left for Bodog, Filho wanting to leave town, Josh off in K-1 with Sergai, and two of Brazil. Top teams guys losing to a guy with only a hand ful of fights. Be honest.. if some no named Judo guy came into the ufc and beat up Tito and Rashad most posters (the net over) would call him an over hyped can. I call him like I see him. Dan Handerson's brilliance (I champion Team quest over Pride and the ufc). Gomi keeps giving up loses and not the belt... Wanderlei is sinking faster and Faster, Pride's seen better days, or is it just not as protected anymore? Even if Pride was better at one time... I don't think many can make that claim now. Oh heh isn't that Don Fyre Duce? Not Pedro? Don't feel bad (kidding) i get white people mixed up all the time to. |
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Post by habbalah on May 29, 2007 4:14:54 GMT -5
Yep I said all those things.. and I recall my guest account getting banned (which till this day I beleive you ran to the head mod here to have it done). Still dumb founded about trying to get that cleared up and getting virtually no answer. Everything I said about Japan was true.. and I was going to start linking sources (And would be more than happy to do so) but that would be totally of topic. But you wanted to drag this bad boy up so be it. Yes.. I'm being raciest for bring up the truth because in your modern world of Politically correct ness it has no place. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes www.kimsoft.com/korea-j1.htm"responsible for killings and other crimes committed against many millions of civilians and prisoners of war (POWs)." " Last night, the HistoryChannel aired The Rape of Nanjing - a film documentary on the Japanese war crimes in Nanjing (Nanking), one-time capital of China. The Japanese occupiers of the ancient city went on a rampage killing more than half of the citizens and raping some 20,000 women - some as old as 80 and as young as 4. Shots of Japanese soldiers laughing while decapitating their victims. Bayonets were stuck into genitals of young rape victims. Infant girls too young for rape were split open and then raped anyway. These barbaric beastly acts went on unabated for several weeks. Ironically and fortunately, the German Nazis smuggled out and preserved a great deal of the film footage of the war crimes made by the Nazis and the Japanese themselves. Unbelievably only one Japanese was hanged for this crime of the century. All other perpetrators were untouched and have remained unrepentant. When the German Third Reich collapsed, all top Nazi leaders were punished for their crimes against the humanity. The Nazi Party was virtually gone overnight. The German people have renounced Nazism and have shown sincere and genuine remorse for their war crimes and the world community has forgiven. Now look at Japan. Emperor Hirohito was allowed to keep his throne. Japan's Shintoism -- the main engine driving Japanese militarism and Japan's racial superiority complex through the centuries (remember Nazi 'Aryan' race?) -- is still thriving. Today, one sees large throngs of young Japanese paying homage to Japanese war dead (yes, the very same folks we call war criminals) at Yasukuni. Deep in their heart, the Japanese people believe that they had stood up to the Western imperialism on behalf of the yellow race and that they had widespread support of the yellow people during WW2. If anything, the yellow race ought to thank Japan. Japan's Bushi do dictates that a samurai never surrenders - surrendering is cowardly and dishonorable. This explains the harsh treatments the Allied POW's had received from their Japanese captors. Bushi do places more emphasis on killing and dying than on helping your fellowmen - Bushi do teaches that life is cheap. So killing off a few million Chinese out of several hundred million is no big deal. When a man goes down, kick him to death - because that is his karma. Bushi do samurais had been abusing civilians - both Japanese and Non-Japanese - over the centuries. Samurais had the right to take whatever they wanted (including women) from the populace. There was no sense of guilt or of injustice - no Ten Commandments to follow. So what is wrong with getting 200,000 young Korean and Chinese girls to spread their legs for samurais? The modern samurais would say: Nothing! It was their duty and the girls probably enjoyed it. In 1945, US had the power to remold the Japanese culture. Today, no nation on earth can force the Japanese people to shed Shintoism or Bushi do. There will be NO 'genuine' apology coming from Japan - at least not in our lifetime. The best we can hope for is some monetary compensation for the victims and their descendants. " |
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Post by habbalah on May 29, 2007 4:22:26 GMT -5
Now than... if you want more recent crimes in Japan for your holier than though people I'd be glad to give them. And No I don't hate them. I don't even dislike them. I hate people who try and label me a racest if I talk facts. I'm just take great offense when you talk about the sacred culture of Japan and you inferred they were far ahead of the curve of the U.S. www.sjwar.org/htm/denial.htmlI mean I can keep giving these sources. " Key Facts of Japan's War Crime • Killed over 35 million • Massacred over 300,000 civilians in 6-8 weeks in Nanjing • Forced hundred of thousands to become slave laborers/sex slaves • Committed biochemical warfare in labs and battlefields over 2,700 times, causing countless deaths, and intentionally flouted the Treaty of Geneva • Dissected over 3,000 live humans without anesthesia for biochemical experiments • Never punished most war criminals; they became key government, business, and academic leaders Japan is in Denial • Never admitted war crime • Never offered official and sincere apologies • Distorted history in textbooks • Never paid compensation to its victims • Purported as victims instead of aggressors Purported as victims instead of aggressors • Openly worships war criminals in shrines by government high officials and the society at large • Rising of the militarism in Japan partly due to the post war generations who have never been educated about the truth of past misdeeds • Heavily invests and possesses military technology by the private sector as in the 1930's • Holds the second biggest defense budget in the world and bullies her neighbors in territorial disputes " www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121Not to mention the more recent problems with Japan Culure More teachers punished for sexual harassment 34 arrested in 3 months under new antistalking law Groping victims speak up in Tokyo survey Ex-cop gets 12 years for groping 19 women I mean I don't want you to think I was a one trick pony. |
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Jun 13, 2007 21:06:01 GMT -5
Wow. I just got tired reading all of the above posts . First off, in regards to the whole "boring" fight issue...Though I would rather see an action packed war, we have to be realistic. It isnt always going to be Griffin Bonnar out there. In Arlovski's defense he had the fight won on the outside sprawling and brawling so why risk getting caught? Maybe Im the only one but it looked like Werdum was trying to the press the fight. He just couldnt catch Arlovski. I think it is totally unfair to penalize fighters for "boring" fights. These guys live and breath fighting and training. It hardly seems fair to financially penalize them for a bad match up. It seems that these days if you put on a bad performance your booking potential goes down. That to me is punishment enough. So Pride better than UFC (or vice versa)? Admittedly I always perferred Pride but I never missed a UFC card. Im really not sure why you guys are arguing which is better. It seems like now is the best time to be an MMA fan. I'd love to see Randy vs Cro Cop, Chuck vs Noguera, or Henderson vs Rampage (cant wait for that one). I dont know about you guys but I am loving this merger. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jun 13, 2007 21:30:51 GMT -5
Some guys fight to fight, and going to go at it the same regardless of who is in front of them.
But keep jn mind that this is also a sport and winning is important. NOt all fights can be sure thing fight of hte night. Some guys do just "move forward" and they get caught. Despite their desire to push the pace of the fight, the booking potential will also be lower. So boring = losing quickly if the guy rushes in without good setups.
I tend to be more of a "On paper this is good. Let's see what happens" kind of guy with MMA as opposed to expecting and demanding a good fight from a fighter.
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