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Post by DUCE on Jun 9, 2005 23:26:04 GMT -5
UFC 53: 'Heavy Hitters' Boardwalk Hall Atlantic City, NJ
Andrei Arlovski vs. Justin Eilers Evan Tanner vs. Rich Franklin Nathan Quarry vs. Shonie Carter Paul Buentello vs. Kevin Jordan Matt Serra vs. Karo Parisyan Nick Diaz vs. Koji Oishi David Loiseau vs. Charles McCarthy Forrest Griffin vs. Bill Mahood
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Post by DUCE on Jun 9, 2005 23:27:04 GMT -5
Lower card quality then I'd expect from those damnable Zuffa guys who I still buy DVDs from.
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Post by DUCE on Jun 9, 2005 23:31:32 GMT -5
1 Nick Diaz over Koji Oishi KO 1:24 1 2 David Loiseau over Charles McCarthy TKO (Back Kick) 2:10 2 3 Nathan Quarry over Shonie Carter TKO 2:37 1 4 Paul Buentello over Kevin Jordan Submission (Guillotine Choke) 4:00 1 5 Forrest Griffin over Bill Mahood Submission (Rear Naked Choke) 2:18 1 6 Rich Franklin over Evan Tanner TKO (Doctor Stoppage) 3:25 4 7 Karo Parisyan over Matt Serra Decision (Unanimous) 5:00 3 8 Andrei Arlovski over Justin Eilers TKO 4:10 1
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Post by gamtime247 on Jun 10, 2005 8:36:11 GMT -5
Really glad to see Franklin win, he has become my favorite ufc fighter after seeing him in the octagon a few times. I passed on this ppv because of the lack of big superfights, I had a feeling Franklin would be way too much for tanner to handle. I heard his face was an absolutely wreck, also good to see Forrest win his first non-tuf fight in ufc.
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Post by Tim Dalton on Jun 10, 2005 13:49:15 GMT -5
I'm really liking Parisyan. He's done a great job of adapting his judo throws to MMA. Needs a little work on his striking, and having Team Quest behind him can't hurt.
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Post by magog on Jun 19, 2005 19:03:28 GMT -5
Much lower quality then I've ever seen from UFC recently Isn't "ever seen recently" kind of a paradox? Any how maybe I'm just an MMA junkie who's easily pleased with crap but I loved that show. I felt the Karo and Serra fight alone was worth the price of admission. I'll admit everyone and their brother new that Andrei was going to beat Justin but it was still fun to watch. Besides this event finally gave fans a chance to watch the deflation of Evan Tanner's ego. Another worth while view. The Nathan versus Carter was another nice sunrise in the fact Nathan actually didn't fall flat on his face, and put on a very watch able fight. Sure every match wasn't packed with hardliners but not every card can be.
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Post by DUCE on Jun 20, 2005 19:29:44 GMT -5
I'm spoiled by Pride. I don't like how Dana White runs things but I still support the sport. I cheered along with everyone else when Couture beat Chuck, Tito, and Vitor. I don't like Chuck's dirty boxing techniques. But its not 100% against the rules. I enjoy most of Karo's matches.
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Post by magog on Jun 21, 2005 0:05:05 GMT -5
I'm spoiled by Pride. I don't like how Dana White runs things but I still support the sport. I cheered along with everyone else when Couture beat Chuck, Tito, and Vitor. I don't like Chuck's dirty boxing techniques. But its not 100% against the rules. I enjoy most of Karo's matches. Hay, at least the UFC fan doesn't have to listen to Bass Rutten pretending to sound cool for about tenth of the dvd when we purchase our product. I prefer the ufc and I remember when Pride was stuck with the ufc's table scraps. Silvia there middle weight champion was a no body in the UFC (oh man i'm going to hear it for saying that). Granted I know he's grown as a competitor hands down, but maybe he just couldn't hang in the cage. I feel that pride Dvd's have more fast forward time than ufc ones do.
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Post by DUCE on Jun 21, 2005 22:53:42 GMT -5
All I have to say is new years eve. Japan has made it a MMA holliday with Inoki Bom-Ba-Yae, K-1 MMA, and Pride. UFC is the lower leagues... now.
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Post by Magog on Jun 22, 2005 2:43:26 GMT -5
Lower leagues indeed, then why at your local mall you can get more recent versions of UFC and Pride seems to be having the hardest time getting new releases out accept directly thought he net? I think the matter is even mentioned on Pride official websight, lets consider who has availability with the product. My real argument is I just feel happy with the pacing of the interviews, I recently bought Pride Total Elimination 2004 (because I was shocked and dumb founded to see a new release after two years by pride out side of the web, I don't feel comfortable ordering through the net) and... I liked it.. I was fiending for MMA and it was an all heavy weight card... and it feels more professional.. but in all honesty... if i would have ordered this as a PPV I would have gone insane with out a fast forward button. I haven't seen Pride for 2005, hell if its even better between 2004 to 2005 I'll be delighted, but again, they have to get the product out to where people like me can get it. MMA needs to be more than an underground net thing in all honesty. UFC is actually getting plugs on TNN in the states(Yes I'm American) and its popping up free matches here and there... I think Pride could use some of the publicity as well to draw more people in. Call me dumb but I kinda liked the ultimate fighter show. Pride would do well to have something like that for Japan.
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Post by Magog on Jun 22, 2005 2:45:47 GMT -5
Lower leagues indeed, then why at your local mall you can get more recent versions of UFC and Pride seems to be having the hardest time getting new releases out accept directly thought he net? I think the matter is even mentioned on Pride official websight, lets consider who has availability with the product. My real argument is I just feel happy with the pacing of the interviews on the cards, I recently bought Pride Total Elimination 2004 (because I was shocked and dumb founded to see a new release after two years by pride out side of the web, I don't feel comfortable ordering through the net) and... I liked it.. I was fiending for MMA and it was an all heavy weight card... and it feels more professional.. but in all honesty... if i would have ordered this as a PPV I would have gone insane with out a fast forward button. I haven't seen Pride for 2005, hell if its even better between 2004 to 2005 I'll be delighted, but again, they have to get the product out to where people like me can get it. MMA needs to be more than an underground net thing in all honesty. UFC is actually getting plugs on TNN in the states(Yes I'm American) and its popping up free matches here and there... I think Pride could use some of the publicity as well to draw more people in. Call me dumb but I kinda liked the ultimate fighter show. Pride would do well to have something like that for Japan.
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Post by DUCE on Jun 22, 2005 21:39:21 GMT -5
Well, A;) your in America. In Japan they broadcast Pride and the like on regular channels. When I was stationed in Sasebo I spent new years eve in Fukuoka and I was delighted to find my hotel room had all the best channels. I watch Royce Gracie fight Yoshida to a Royce dominating draw. Lower leagues because they don't pay as good as the japanese promotions do. Hawaii's promotions are starting to compete with UFC. (SuperBrawl: 'Icon' July 23rd, 2005 Blaisdell Arena Hawaii
Below is the developing line-up for the SuperBrawl: 'Icon' card on July 23rd. More matchups are expected to be announced within two weeks:
Falaniko Vitale vs. Robbie Lawler Jason Miller vs. Mark Moreno K.J. Noons vs. Bryson Kamaka Tyrone Glover vs. David Padilla Nick Ring vs. Bob Ostovich)
Hawaii's Rumble on the Rocks has a BJ PENN VS RENZO GRACIE headliner card on July 29th that also has Akebono fighting aswell
As for the DVDs. WWE has DVDs also. IFC, KOTC, Warriors Challenge all have DVD distribution. UFC has sold well enough in the DVD market to have a greater distribution in America.
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Post by Magog on Jun 22, 2005 23:17:05 GMT -5
Okay....Super brawl...wow.. I've actually seen that show. For anyone reading this, who's seen the infomercial who is thinking about "wasting" their money on this God awful show please don't. Comparing super brawl to the UFC is like comparing the Ring of honor to the WW(F). Sure on the tape i saw I got to see Frank Shamrock (who it baffles my mind as to why he's not in the UFC but they kept his moronic older brother around for so long) lose to some nobody, but this tape was so poor in quality. There Judges scoring on split decisions isn't even a joke..... Joke are at least funny. I sir bow and yield to your expertise on pride.. but please.. do not allow your undying hatred for Dana White to compare "Super Brawl" to the UFC. Pride is honored and cherished in what has been suggested to me is it has more patient crowds than that of UFC fans. I've seen UFC fans bo entirely to easy even during a quality match Robie Lawler and Lights out Chris lights out Lytle at times. I think Dana does what he does to sell to the audience and right now i think that’s acceptable. Lets be honest.... this is a kick ass websight you got here, and yet it isn't booming with people. This is no fault of your own, you have some damn good threads here... its just MMA is still growing.. and is just barely either above or below the radar. Hopefully when it catches on big time there will be time to come back to making it more pure... and less of a so called pony show, but for right now I think Dana's on the right track and at least in America Pride will never be as big with people in mass (Hard core fan devotion aside and all, I'd say there are more UFC fans in the US than pride fans).
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Post by Darth Turkish on Jun 23, 2005 8:39:50 GMT -5
Whatever Dana White and Zuffa (and of course his backers) may be doing to "poison" MMA, I agree that what they are doing is right. After the fall of Mike Tyson some 12 years ago, boxing was nowhere, with nobody to really promote. Then the UFC was getting popular, and the boxing people saw their grasp on the fight game lessening. Long story short, UFC gets lambasted because of them, which continues on for years. When Zuffa took over, they made some smart moves. They developed weight classes, which was a key idea. We all like to see squashes every now and again, but Anthony Macias should no way, shape, or form have to fight the 70+ lb heavier Dan Severn in UFC 4. If you haven't, go watch that match and see why. The elimination of knees on the ground and kicking while down attempted to legitimatize MMA as a sport and not a backyard fistfight. Noitce the submission rules- no small joint manipulations- has been around since the inception of the UFC. The average fan can identify with an athletic competition no matter how rough it may seem, and not so much with an out-and-out fight. True MMA fans will be able to take anything, but true MMA fans will always be there. Now, the UFC is on a cable network, which is a huge step. People are interested, as shown by the turnout for the finale of the show. Reruns of recent UFC matches are shown on a cable sports network in New York at 2 in the morning (shades of ECW). MMA really needs time to gradually permeate the mainstram in the US. Things with the sport will change once that happens. It will take a little time. I would much rather see a gradual acceptance of MMA into American society than a quick rise and fall. I think Dana and Zuffa are pleased at the gradual thing.
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Post by DUCE on Jun 25, 2005 14:36:17 GMT -5
Whatever Dana White and Zuffa (and of course his backers) may be doing to "poison" MMA, I agree that what they are doing is right. We all like to see squashes every now and again, but Anthony Macias should no way, shape, or form have to fight the 70+ lb heavier Dan Severn in UFC 4. True MMA fans will be able to take anything, but true MMA fans will always be there. Now, the UFC is on a cable network, which is a huge step. People are interested, as shown by the turnout for the finale of the show. Reruns of recent UFC matches are shown on a cable sports network in New York at 2 in the morning (shades of ECW). MMA really needs time to gradually permeate the mainstram in the US. Things with the sport will change once that happens. It will take a little time. I would much rather see a gradual acceptance of MMA into American society than a quick rise and fall. I think Dana and Zuffa are pleased at the gradual thing. I agree with Dan Severn and Anthony Macias. They is alot of background great stories about the early days of UFC. A Gracie was the matchmaker for the UFC events. There is a story about how Royce was afriad of "Mad Dog" Macias. Severn was matched against him on the opposite bracket of the tournament as a result!.
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Post by Magog on Jun 27, 2005 15:46:18 GMT -5
That's just it, the last thing the UFC ever needs is to return back to the Gracie run show that it use to be. It was kind of cool at first but I'm glad they try and book matches where fighters are more willing to stand and throw. It may be less scientific, but the fans (And what the hell I love a good beat down fight so me to) enjoy that sorta thing. Now the last thing I wanted to do was actually defend was Frank Mir (but what the hell I will) what makes him a pony boy? He actually beat Tim Silvia. Yes he's a bitch and he ran off to get married so he wouldn't have to defend his belt, but he is some what of a commodity, and I'm going to pay good money to see him get his ass kicked when the time comes. Sure he barely got over Wes Sims, but people improve, and I think Mir is improving (I still hate his ass) but who knows he might even do well in Pride. In fact that would be the only way I would ever chear for Mir (I'm pro UFC so sew me) if they had a complete shared ppv with the UFC faction facing Pride (It'll never happen but I can dream can't I). I know UFC has made little smaller invasions in pride (Chuck Liddel, etc, etc) but I'd love an all out show between the two. Say can you still knee downed opponents on all fours? That almost seems like a mistake, (I mean as a blood thirsty fan I love it) but it does seem to get pretty wrong in some of the fights with Kevin Randlemen (he was doing this two Knee maneuver to some guys head that looked down right brutal) and Wanderlei's first fight with Sakuraba, I feel Sakuraba took an insane beating to his head due to the new rules, you don't think it's going to far do you?
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