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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 7, 2007 17:10:57 GMT -5
Orded my set last week. Looks awesome. I havent got my printer up and running so havent got to play yet. I do however, have a question about the rules. I noticed their is no KO/SUB on Level 2 defense. Does that mean to KO's can occur from let's say a "Dirty Boxing-2".
Thanks
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Post by Trent Lawless on Dec 8, 2007 9:59:54 GMT -5
Glad you like what you see.
To answer your question, there's no KO/SUB option on Level 2 Defense because most matches don't end in a clinch situation. Having the KO/SUB on each level would make matches too short, IMO. You can definitely knock a guy down with a level 2 move, though, so it can still do some damage.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 8, 2007 13:58:35 GMT -5
Glad you like what you see. To answer your question, there's no KO/SUB option on Level 2 Defense because most matches don't end in a clinch situation. Having the KO/SUB on each level would make matches too short, IMO. You can definitely knock a guy down with a level 2 move, though, so it can still do some damage. Gotcha. I see your point. Even if a fighter gets rocked by a knees from the clinch the other guy usually puts the icing on the cake with some ground and pound, Thanks for the clarification. |
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 9, 2007 17:13:29 GMT -5
Glad you like what you see. To answer your question, there's no KO/SUB option on Level 2 Defense because most matches don't end in a clinch situation. Having the KO/SUB on each level would make matches too short, IMO. You can definitely knock a guy down with a level 2 move, though, so it can still do some damage. Gotcha. I see your point. Even if a fighter gets rocked by a knees from the clinch the other guy usually puts the icing on the cake with some ground and pound, Thanks for the clarification. To add on what the Mouth of the POW said, That or like in the case of Shylock or Euritar, they have a move on L2O that sends the fight to L1D meaning that that move IS potentially match ending- or it will break up the clinch. |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Dec 9, 2007 18:36:28 GMT -5
Yeah, a 2 strength move can't end a match, but a move from L2O can end it if it goes to L1D or L3D. Don't forget to use the "clinch" power ratings in those cases for determining what gets added to or subtracted from the KO/SUB number.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 10, 2007 17:38:50 GMT -5
P.O.W. rules question ? There's no question about it the P.O.W. does rule.  |
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Post by Eliath on Dec 10, 2007 18:04:37 GMT -5
Don't forget to use the "clinch" power ratings in those cases for determining what gets added to or subtracted from the KO/SUB number. I had wondered about this. This is how I have been doing things with moves that transition from the original level of offense to another level of defense. Its good to know the official ruling. Thanks Mark  |
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Post by Tournament Master on Dec 10, 2007 18:06:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I clarified this, because otherwise the clinch power ratings would be useless.
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Post by Trent Lawless on Dec 10, 2007 19:11:10 GMT -5
Hence my crediting of TM with Zen-like clarity in the rulebook. For that among other things.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 10, 2007 20:18:40 GMT -5
Yeah, a 2 strength move can't end a match, but a move from L2O can end it if it goes to L1D or L3D. Don't forget to use the "clinch" power ratings in those cases for determining what gets added to or subtracted from the KO/SUB number. Aahhhhh. That totally makes sense. That's a very, very cool way to make the fight flow. Good stuff. So I'm converting all my Fighters to POW fighters and I had a few more questions.... - Can a fighter have a Level 1 reversal on level 3 defense? - Can a fighter have a Level 3 reversal on level 1 defense? - Can a fighter have a Level 3 reversal on level 2 defense? PS. I finally got my printer working so will get to actually play this tomorrow. |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Dec 10, 2007 21:14:20 GMT -5
- Can a fighter have a Level 1 reversal on level 3 defense? - Can a fighter have a Level 3 reversal on level 1 defense? - Can a fighter have a Level 3 reversal on level 2 defense? In a couple cases (mainly for the better guys), you'll see a reversal with "1/2," "1/3" or "2/3" after it. That means that fighter has a choice of which level to go to. So if an opponent has a weak strike defense, you might want to go up to level 1 instead of staying at level 2, because you've got a better chance of doing damage and/or getting a win. Some chart rolls have a choice of levels of offense to go to, also. I think the only one of the three you've mentioned that doesn't occur is the level 3 reversal on level 1 defense. But there are more than a few with level 3 reversals on level 2 defense. Now get printin' and get playin'! |
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 11, 2007 13:27:44 GMT -5
Lol. Today is the official day of printing and playing. One last question (for now)...
Can you have a level 3 offensive move on level 1 offense?
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Post by Trent Lawless on Dec 11, 2007 14:25:52 GMT -5
Yes. I know off the top of my head Cypher does and there are probably a few others. It's reserved mainly for the good grapplers who want to get the fight to the ground quick.
There are also down-3s on Level 1 Defense, so it can get there more often that way.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 11, 2007 20:53:12 GMT -5
Just played some sample matches. WOW!! This rules. Way to go guys. Exellent game!!
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Post by Trent Lawless on Dec 11, 2007 21:30:35 GMT -5
Knew ya'd like it. ;D
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 11, 2007 22:22:40 GMT -5
Glad you like it, Curt!!
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 12, 2007 15:53:35 GMT -5
Dont worry Mark, Im playin. I just want to make sure my boots fall into what you guys had in mind when you made the game. What would you say the highest and lowest of the OFF and DEF ratings should be?
+4 to -4?
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Post by Darth Turkish on Dec 12, 2007 17:40:47 GMT -5
+3 for really awesome, -3 for really really horrible for offense. The reverse for defense.
+4 was tried, but proved to be too powerful.
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Post by Trent Lawless on Dec 12, 2007 22:10:29 GMT -5
Yeah, +4 pretty much means the match is over when you have five potential finishing moves with that potency, so it was nixed. +3 you have a fighting chance if your defense is -2, but not many have that.
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Post by Cosmic Crippler on Dec 13, 2007 18:40:43 GMT -5
would you say the average KO/SUB rating is "4"?
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IPPON!!
