Starting anew

[phoenixrising]

I am having a dilemma. I am currently in year 2091, so only about 4 years in. When I first started playing, I was having events twice a week, with both events having title matches. In those years, I had a high amount of title changes, sometimes having the heavyweight title change twice in the same week. In reading some posts, it seems like most people have a defense once a month. I don't know if I should forgo my current playing and start over, having one event per week plus a pay-per-view where is a title match or continue where I am and start instituting one title match per month. I hate to start over and basically wipe out my title history, but I feel like all these title changes devalues the title. Any thoughts???

[blueraider1]

try doing a non title match first.if they lose. move on to the next contender.also dont stop sounds like your doing great .

[Big Bri]

Some of us have "champion's advantage" rules, like lowering the champion's PIN Rating by 1 at the start of the match, or making the champion roll at or under his PIN Rating 2 or 3 times in a row in order to lose the title. Maybe that would help?

[JMello]

Like Big Bri mentioned I've always enjoyed the three rolls under the PIN rating, it's like the champ getting a real 3 count!

[Minotaur]

I use the rule that the Champion has to roll his PIN twice....

BUT.....I am thinking about something. When I get to the point where I bring in a secondary title (I am in January 2076), I am thinking that for the IP title, I will just use the normal rules for that title.....you know, the whole idea of the IP title being not as prestigious as the Galaxian belt, but much harder to hold on to?

[Wildfire]

As somone who has started over a few times (see my CoTG ADD thread) I understand what your saying, but really I think its best to just change things going forward..

Things change over time in any sports organization.. (UFC's a good example) you history is still your history.

I personally will NOT start over ever again, unless I go through some long draught of playing, I think its a bit of a downward spiral (which I've been in, and only recently escaped...)

[Big Bri]

mythicalmino said:

I use the rule that the Champion has to roll his PIN twice....

BUT.....I am thinking about something. When I get to the point where I bring in a secondary title (I am in January 2076), I am thinking that for the IP title, I will just use the normal rules for that title.....you know, the whole idea of the IP title being not as prestigious as the Galaxian belt, but much harder to hold on to?

I think a secondary title would change hands more often anyways because "lower quality" wrestlers (with higher PIN Ratings) are gunning for it, so I'm still going to use my rules for it. Plus, I have certain people (Omega, Morpheus, Caelum, etc.) that won't gun for a secondary title because it's "beneath" them. You never saw Hogan or Andre go after the IC Title; same concept.

[offspring515]

Think of it this way.....Back in the 50's-80's, guys would hold titles for YEARS. Sometimes 3 or 4 or more. In the late nineties it became common for title reigns to last days or weeks...and a reign of 3 or more months was considered long.

Things change in reality, things can change in your game. As someone who had to start over because a flood ruined my records, let me go along with those who have already posted...don't start over if you don't have to.

[bigeasy]

Yeah, I had to no longer acknowledge my 2087 Title History, because when I finally compiled it, it became clear to me that Vince Russo had traveled through time to book my shows... So if I ever catch up I'll just play those years again, I had a title tournament to start 2088 anyway.

[Mr. Jimmyface]

Here are my heirarchy of title belts:

Heavyweight Title:
The two wrestlers who compete in a singles match with the highest combined Stroke rating (a hybrid win/loss formula I use) get the shot. This title is defended on every card. GWF Heavyweight Champions received a pin reduction of 3.

Secondary, Tag Team and Women's Titles:
To earn a shot, you have to have the longest running win streak at the time. These titles are defended on every card. Secondary and Women's Champions get a pin reduction of 2, but Tag Teams do not, due to the fluid nature of tag team competition.

Heavy Metal and Cruiserweight Titles.
These titles are only defended when the opponent the champion faces is eligible for that title. These champions get a pin reduction of 1.

What I've been learning in the Relaunch I am doing is that the top tier guys and gals have so much stroke that it is difficult for them to earn a secondary title shot. By the time they have earned a shot for a smaller belt, they would have received a title shot for the main title by that time which would take them out of the running for the smaller ones. And since the #1 contenders matches are exclusively non title, there is less of a chance of the secondary and third tier title holders losing their titles to much superior opponents.

Best advice I can give you - give a PIN reduction to champions, and make title shots a challenge to earn. By using these two criteria as you see fit, you should prevent rampant title changes.

Not that the six Heavyweight title changes in 2082 in my fed is any indication!

[phoenixrising]

Thanks for all of the input. I think I will keep going and not restart from scratch. Thanks again.

[bmurderh8s]

larstoxik said:

Here are my heirarchy of title belts:

Heavyweight Title:
The two wrestlers who compete in a singles match with the highest combined Stroke rating (a hybrid win/loss formula I use) get the shot. This title is defended on every card. GWF Heavyweight Champions received a pin reduction of 3.

Secondary, Tag Team and Women's Titles:
To earn a shot, you have to have the longest running win streak at the time. These titles are defended on every card. Secondary and Women's Champions get a pin reduction of 2, but Tag Teams do not, due to the fluid nature of tag team competition.

Heavy Metal and Cruiserweight Titles.
These titles are only defended when the opponent the champion faces is eligible for that title. These champions get a pin reduction of 1.

What I've been learning in the Relaunch I am doing is that the top tier guys and gals have so much stroke that it is difficult for them to earn a secondary title shot. By the time they have earned a shot for a smaller belt, they would have received a title shot for the main title by that time which would take them out of the running for the smaller ones. And since the #1 contenders matches are exclusively non title, there is less of a chance of the secondary and third tier title holders losing their titles to much superior opponents.

Best advice I can give you - give a PIN reduction to champions, and make title shots a challenge to earn. By using these two criteria as you see fit, you should prevent rampant title changes.

Not that the six Heavyweight title changes in 2082 in my fed is any indication!

Is there anyway I can get the rules for a stroke ratings?

And on to the topic. There is nothing wrong with having a fighting champion. In fact, i think it makes the title more valuble, especially if somebody emerges and is able to hold onto to the title for an extended amount of time. Its really not how many fight cards a guy holds the belt, but rather the number of successful defenses that makes a great champion.

[Chewey]

bmurderh8s said:

larstoxik said:

Here are my heirarchy of title belts:

Heavyweight Title:
The two wrestlers who compete in a singles match with the highest combined Stroke rating (a hybrid win/loss formula I use) get the shot. This title is defended on every card. GWF Heavyweight Champions received a pin reduction of 3.

Secondary, Tag Team and Women's Titles:
To earn a shot, you have to have the longest running win streak at the time. These titles are defended on every card. Secondary and Women's Champions get a pin reduction of 2, but Tag Teams do not, due to the fluid nature of tag team competition.

Heavy Metal and Cruiserweight Titles.
These titles are only defended when the opponent the champion faces is eligible for that title. These champions get a pin reduction of 1.

What I've been learning in the Relaunch I am doing is that the top tier guys and gals have so much stroke that it is difficult for them to earn a secondary title shot. By the time they have earned a shot for a smaller belt, they would have received a title shot for the main title by that time which would take them out of the running for the smaller ones. And since the #1 contenders matches are exclusively non title, there is less of a chance of the secondary and third tier title holders losing their titles to much superior opponents.

Best advice I can give you - give a PIN reduction to champions, and make title shots a challenge to earn. By using these two criteria as you see fit, you should prevent rampant title changes.

Not that the six Heavyweight title changes in 2082 in my fed is any indication!

Is there anyway I can get the rules for a stroke ratings?

And on to the topic. There is nothing wrong with having a fighting champion. In fact, i think it makes the title more valuble, especially if somebody emerges and is able to hold onto to the title for an extended amount of time. Its really not how many fight cards a guy holds the belt, but rather the number of successful defenses that makes a great champion.

A fighting champion is cool. But number of fight cards that a champ holds his title is still worth something. Hulk Hogan held his first title for like three years while only defending it on television probably four or five times a year in that span. Today's champions hold the belt for like three months while defending their belt nearly every week, and yet it's not as though their title reigns seem to mean any more than Hogan's did.

[bmurderh8s]

there is a difference between a meaningful title defense and a BS title defense. Hogans 4 or 5 a year were meaningful. In todays world, a wrestler may defend it every week, but you know its not gonna change hands and the match will probably end in a dq or some sort of interference.

Thats whats wrong with wrestling today.

[Chewey]

bmurderh8s said:

there is a difference between a meaningful title defense and a BS title defense. Hogans 4 or 5 a year were meaningful. In todays world, a wrestler may defend it every week, but you know its not gonna change hands and the match will probably end in a dq or some sort of interference.

Thats whats wrong with wrestling today.

yeah. we can blame dusty rhodes for that one.

[bmurderh8s]

aaron168 said:

bmurderh8s said:

there is a difference between a meaningful title defense and a BS title defense. Hogans 4 or 5 a year were meaningful. In todays world, a wrestler may defend it every week, but you know its not gonna change hands and the match will probably end in a dq or some sort of interference.

Thats whats wrong with wrestling today.

yeah. we can blame dusty rhodes for that one.

Look out..here comes another "Dusty Finish"!