Promoter Rankings

[jefft]

I just got back into getting the Promoter after a long lay-off...could you please explain to me how the regular fed rankings are accumulated? Also, what are the cumulative rankings?

Thanks very much in advance!

[Tom]

I'll leave this question in the expert hands of Mark or John Krause. They've got a good system.

[johnkrause]

Hello.. just saw your post tonight.. unfortunately I won't be able to answer the question tonight for I need to get to bed soon.. but I will be more than happy to give you an explanation of some detail by the end of the upcoming weekend maybe sooner if I get a free moment.. just wanted you to know I saw the post and aim to answer it at some point soon..

Thanks and have a great/blessed week
John Krause

[Pete Beck]

jefft said:

what are the cumulative rankings?

Years ago PWI (i don't know if they still do it as i don't read the magazine any longer) would put a ranking in each issue that was their "TOP 10" from all of the active federations. From this they would then award points (see below) to those wrestlers in the TOP 10 over a 6 month period of time to show who was the "best" wrestler according to there Rankings cumulative over the past 6 months. I always thought this was cool and when the Promoter came out, i started tracking the rankings in this same fashion. The idea is to see who has been consistently ranked in the various listings to show who is performing over a period of time. The current Cumulative Rankings are based on 6 issues of the Promoter as that shows who has been in the Promoter Rankings for the last calendar year.

I have actually put together a "total cumulative" which is a a Comprehensive Cumulative Ranking for The Galaxian Wrestling Federation compiled from the Official Rankings in ALL of the GWF PROMOTER Issues...I do this every so often and will likely put one together after the 100th issue of the Promoter...which is only a couple of years away!

The Point systems works like this:

The Rankings are based on an 11 or 6-point system. The wrestler or team who was ranked as Champions receive 11 points for the Galaxian Singles or 6 points for the Tag Team, InterPlanetary, Heavy Metal/Special Match, Women's, & Cruiserweight Titles.

The Individuals ranked Ch - #10 in the Galaxian Rankings receive points based on the following scale: Ch = 11, #1 = 10, #2 = 9, #3 = 8, #4 = 7, #5 = 6, #6 = 5, #7 = 4, #8 = 3, #9 = 2, and #10 = 1.

The individuals ranked Ch - #5 in the Tag Team, InterPlanetary, Heavy Metal/Special Match, Women's & Cruiserweight Rankings receive points based on the following scale: Ch = 6, #1 = 5, #2 = 4, #3 = 3, #4 = 2 and #5 = 1.

One way i use the Cumulative Rankings is to try to answer the question: who is the "All Time Greatest" wrestler in the Galaxian Wrestling Federation Well, we may never be able to answer whom the "All Time Greatest" in the GWF, but as far as who is the "Best" during The Promoter era? The CR can give some insight into that.

[Trent Lawless]

Maybe I'll save John the trouble and tell you the way I used to do it. I told John that he's welcome to improve upon the system if he saw room for it, so he may amend this if necessary.

I wanted some way to make major titleholders in people's feds distinguishable from the minor ones, but due to the relatively small number of promoters who sent in champs, I had to come up with something that would cause things to either stay stagnant or go crazy with ups and downs every month. Early on I realized that I had to just go with people's champions. Lots of people would send top 5s or 10s, but not everyone did, so the only constant was champions. If I tried to use the people's contender lists, it would really skew the math in ways that couldn't be compensated for.

So, based on that, major champions (Heavyweight/Tag) would get 2 points to reflect the status of the belts, while any minor champs (Interstellar, Cruiserweight, TV, etc.) would get 1 point. All titles' points would count toward the GWF Champ ranks, but only minor titles' points would count toward the Interstellar ranks. Cruiserweight/Special Matches points would count toward their own belts and the I-S belt. In the case of a non-regular tag team in any given game year, half the points would go toward each person's regular team. This would avoid too many weird possibilities in the rankings. If the person wasn't in a regular team, those points were lost to the void of space.

I would also purge the records of promoter champions with anyone who hadn't sent champs in six months. This avoided anyone who wasn't corresponding regularly from skewing the results with a weird Heavyweight Champ like Slave Beast staying around longer than he probably actually held that person's belt.

Maybe it's not a perfect system, but that's it in a nutshell. I know I'm forgetting some little details about it since I haven't done it in a year, but maybe John can set everyone straight.

[jefft]

So how do you get the rankings themselves? Does everyone just mail in their current champs and rankings or is there a place on the website where they can be sent in? Can we email them to Tom or someone?

[Trent Lawless]

To avoid chaos of looking a million different places and having redundant info, I always insisted people send them to me by e-mail or snail mail. They also at least had to attach a first name and last initial to them to make them easily identifiable for collation and deletion purposes if someone was more than six months between correspondence.

It just sucks having to comb through a bunch of stuff on the web when all people have to do is plop the info in an e-mail. Kind of my version of a self-addressed stamped envelope. It helps tremendously.

But I don't do it anymore, of course.

[canadianpittbull]

On the last page of the Promoter there is info on sending rankings, supercard results, etc. to John Krause by mail or email. I always mean to send my rankings in but dunno if they would count for much since I am starting in 2087 in CotG and in Legends I have a few bootlegs, not many but dunno how that effects the overall standings?

If this doesn't then I will start sending mine in regularly. I figured the bootlegs would be ignored and the official cards counted? Also is there a date each month that the rankings have to be in? I always update my Legends fed rankings at the end of every month after a PPV or Super Show.

[jefft]

canadianpittbull said:

On the last page of the Promoter there is info on sending rankings, supercard results, etc. to John Krause by mail or email.

Oops...duh. I must've had a brain fart or something.

[stephenvegas]

canadianpittbull said:

On the last page of the Promoter there is info on sending rankings, supercard results, etc. to John Krause by mail or email. I always mean to send my rankings in but dunno if they would count for much since I am starting in 2087 in CotG and in Legends I have a few bootlegs, not many but dunno how that effects the overall standings?

If this doesn't then I will start sending mine in regularly. I figured the bootlegs would be ignored and the official cards counted? Also is there a date each month that the rankings have to be in? I always update my Legends fed rankings at the end of every month after a PPV or Super Show.

CPB,

I recently sent John an Email with questions very similar to yours. John responded that only your current champions count for the rankings (in other words your top ten contenders or whatever don't figure into the rankings- it is just the champions themselves). John also told me that rankings are due on the 12th day of the month prior to the next edition of the Promoter. For example, rankings for the July edition of the Promoter were due on June 12. Because I personally do not use bootlegs in my main Legends fed, I didn't ask him about those. But I think your assumption that the bootleg listings would be disregarded is probably correct.

[Trent Lawless]

Yeah, I always ignored bootlegs and versions of cards that were not the current version (like someone using an old Bloodline who was champ wouldn't count toward Bloodline's current total -- it's a different card, after all, with different abilities).

John's a terribly busy guy, I guess. I'm answering all these questions like I'm still in charge!

[jefft]

So, basically, in order for your rankings to count you have to playing in the most recent edition year?

[Trent Lawless]

Not necessarily. You just have to have the most recent version of that character's card. Until that character is updated, his/her status as your champion can be used for rankings.

So you do have to be at least close to caught up, but most people just now starting New Beginnings 2119, for instance, still stand a good chance of having most of their champs included in the rankings.

Hope that's clear.

[johnkrause]

Hey guys.. sorry it has taken so long to reply.. things are so darn busy here.. but Mark is correct.. thanks.. I still use his system to the letter.. so again thanks for saving me the time Mark.. it is appreciated..

I prefer emails or snail mail for rankings.. but I have poked my head on here a few times for rankings as well.. and do have a system/criteria as far as what I see on here would qualify for the Promoter.. and everything goes into a spreadsheet..

Canadian Pitbull .. you have been a part of the rankings for a few issues now.. I have seen you on here and you fit the qualifications for online submissions (which is something new I started I believe).. I will be happy to explain that when I get back in town after the 16th or sometime thereafter..

Also to.. I want to do something more on the board for the Promoter but will work on that when I get back in a little over a week.. so maybe by next month can have something set-up..

Thanks again Mark and to all the Promoters

John Krause

[bmurderh8s]

I still use a few older guys like Mandrill and the Dominator in my GWF. Can I still send my GWF rankings? Are they just ignored?! Or am I just S.O.L.?

[johnkrause]

Sorry I took so long to reply but I was out of town as an assistant Boy Scout Leader last week and just go back Sunday.

Anyhow.. I do follow Mark's system to the letter as far as point tallies are concerned. It works brilliantly so why try to fix something that isn't broken?

I am with Mark in that, I too, prefer snail mail and emails for all Promoter submissions including rankings. As I stated in a previous posting.. I do poke my head in here and see rankings on here.. and yes I have included rankings I have seen on here in the Promoter.. but I do use a set criteria in what counts and what does not..

I would like to see more submissions via email and snail mail as that would help me out immensely when it comes to time constraints.

Bootlegs and old cards do not count in the current rankings. But please continue to submit your rankings and card results.. I read what you submit.. and believe me.. this is no bull.. I truly enjoy reading what goes on in your feds.. who your champs are ..contenders.. etc.. so I would hope to continue to receive all that stuff from you.. whether it counts towards the rankings or not..

Emails work best as I check that more routinely than anything else.

Trust me when I say.. I pay attention to these boards as they have inspired ideas that have hit the Promoter already and ideas that I would like to employ in the future..

In fact .. the whole Prodigy news bits in the Promoter snowballed from a single question that was inspired as part of a coupling between a thread I read on here and a time when I went through the CPC handbooks.. let me clarify though.. I did not come up with whatever Prodigy is planning.. that is Mark Ashby's brain child.. and trust me.. I know no more than you do.. and Mark and the CPC are remaining tight-lipped.. and Mark and the CPC.. I will find out what you are up to.. the Promoter readers deserver no less ..

And Mark.. thank you for all your help with the Promoter and answering the questions.. you have and still are a great mentor/source of help with the Promoter.. and it would be nothing without you.. after all you are the father of the GWF Promoter.. and I thank you for your hard work..

Everyone.. never be afraid to send me a line on here.. snail mail.. or email.. in regards to submissions.. comments.. etc.. for the Promoter.. after all I am here to do my best to give you what you deserve.. so let me know what's on your minds..

Thanks and everyone have a safe and blessed week
John Krause