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Post by Splattercat on Jun 22, 2006 16:22:13 GMT -5
We have a disagreement on using the Double Team Chart after a chart situation...The situation being, Kraken was beaten outside the ring and Actagon is about to roll on level 3 offense...Instead of rolling on level 3 offense, the person playing Actagon chooses to Double team instead...
One side says that if a Chart (in this case Out of the Ring) results in one side rolling on Level 3 offense, that side can opt to double team and it would take effect on the Down-3 column...Being that the offensive wrestler is about to roll on level 3 Offense, the defensive wrestler is assumed to be in the same condition as though he rolled a Down-3 result...
The other side says that you cannot use the double team chart after a chart situation because you must establish whether the defensive wrestler is Dazed Hurt or Down...No Down-3 result was rolled therefore we don't know whether the wrestler on Defense is Dazed Hurt or Down...
The question: When using the Double Team chart, can you use it after a Chart situation (turnbuckle ropes ring deathjump) and assume the defending wrestler's condition coincides with the attacking wrestlers current level of offense..?
Or, can you only use the Double Team chart immediately after a Dazed-1, Hurt 2 or Down-3 result from a roll on level 1 2 or 3 Defense..?
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Post by Splattercat on Jun 22, 2006 17:24:27 GMT -5
By the way, should this be here, or in the GWF board, or somewhere else..? I didn't see a rules questions section...
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Post by tystates on Jun 22, 2006 18:50:09 GMT -5
I just use it whenever I feel like it for the team on offense, regardless of what state of defense they are on. But in your example, you said Krakan was beaten outside and Actagon rolling on L3. Well, that is your down result. So I would say they can double team with him down.
Same with any chart in my opinion. Off the ropes and you cream him with a clothesline, roll on L3 is one result. I then choose to double team with the opponent down.
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Post by Pete Beck on Jun 22, 2006 21:57:45 GMT -5
I just use it whenever I feel like it for the team on offense, regardless of what state of defense they are on. But in your example, you said Krakan was beaten outside and Actagon rolling on L3. Well, that is your down result. So I would say they can double team with him down. Same with any chart in my opinion. Off the ropes and you cream him with a clothesline, roll on L3 is one result. I then choose to double team with the opponent down. Ditto...this is how i would do it if i were ever to use the chart that way...but i only use it when i have the offensive team tagging out...just my way of doing things... |
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Post by GrumpyBigBee on Jun 23, 2006 9:21:14 GMT -5
I 2nd, or thirdededed, what the above. =)
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Post by tystates on Jun 23, 2006 10:36:04 GMT -5
I just use it whenever I feel like it for the team on offense, regardless of what state of defense they are on. But in your example, you said Krakan was beaten outside and Actagon rolling on L3. Well, that is your down result. So I would say they can double team with him down. Same with any chart in my opinion. Off the ropes and you cream him with a clothesline, roll on L3 is one result. I then choose to double team with the opponent down. Ditto...this is how i would do it if i were ever to use the chart that way...but i only use it when i have the offensive team tagging out...just my way of doing things... I do this as well. If I choose to double team I almost always make the tag then and switch legal men in the ring. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2006 12:19:14 GMT -5
I never thought about this scenario before. I believe the responses given so far are good ones.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Jun 23, 2006 12:54:34 GMT -5
I think the flip side is would you automatically assume they are down-3 without actually rolling it? The Double Team chart states when a wrestler is dazed, hurt or down. Technically you don't know since you still have to decide whether he is dazed hurt or down. Sure off the chart you may get a ROLL ON LEVEL 3 OFFENSE but do you assume he is down-3?
Normally you still have to roll on level 3 Defense to determine if a wrestler is dazed, hurt or down and sometimes if might be a PIN. So does one assume off a standard chart that if it comes up OPPONENT ROLLS ON LEVEL 2 OFFENSE that I can automatically roll on the double team chart and roll on the hurt column of the table? From this point of view it would seem as though we still have not determined if said wrestler is dazed hurt or down as is states on the tag-team chart.
It can be done which ever way just this is something to consider. If going by how it is worded on the double team chart.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jun 23, 2006 13:57:53 GMT -5
Sure you would assume that...after all, for you to get that Roll on Level 3 result on the Out of the Ring chart, you just posted a guy, or slammed him on the floor, or rammed him into the guardrails, etc...all things that are supposed to do some damage.
Or, to rephrase...the defensive wrestler's condition determines the offensive wrestlers level. If the chart says roll on level 2 after a move, you "hurt" the defensive wrestler. If the chart says roll on level 3, the defensive wrestler is "down".
Incidentally, I also only allow the double team chart when offensive wrestlers are tagging out.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Jun 23, 2006 16:53:00 GMT -5
Well if that is the consensus of the ruling body to how that ruling works then play on! ;D   |
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Post by gwffantrav on Jun 26, 2006 22:03:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I gotta agree, I only use the double team chart when the wrestlers are tagging out. That seems to avoid the confusing, but I can see both points.
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