Some Questions from a returning player

[Nemecys]

Hi all,

I'm returning to the game after 4 years of this and that. I just got 2113 and after looking over everything there, in the 2112 ringside companion, and in past booklets, I have some questions. I appreciate any help you can give me.

1. In a coffin match, does the wrestler that gets 10 tokens automatically get put in the coffin, or does he have to be thrown in according to the chart after getting 10 tokens?

2. Does a ladder match end in a pin roll or does the match only end according to the chart with the wrestler adding 1 to his pin if pin his rolled?

3. In a tables match, do you have to roll on the chart and have 2 tables broken on the chart to lose? Does a pin count as a loss or is it ignored? It says 2 tables have to be broken for the match to end, but then it says, "If both tables are broken and there isn't a winner yet..." Were they referring to one opponent going through each table?

4. I lost my 4 Weapons of Destruction rules, but I still have the chart in my Ringside Companion. I just want to know how the match ends. I thought it was 1st to get 10 tokens loses but I wasn't sure.

5. According to Avalanche's card, you add +3 to each of the 2 pin rolls. My question is, in any match after you hit your finish, if the opponent kicks out, does he keep the + from the finish or do they lose the finisher bonus and simply gain the +1 fatigue point? I always kept the finisher bonus but after reading Avalanch's card, I wasn't sure. If Wolf (2087) uses his finisher (+3) on Star Warrior (pin 2 from 2087) and SW kicks out, is his new pin rating 5 (2+3 from finisher) or 3 (2+ 1 fatigue point)?

6. Last question: Torture Chamber Matches end when 1 wrestler gets pinned 3 times (can't continue). What happens after each of the first 2 pins? Does the attacker continue on level 3 offense?


Thanks in advance! Take care,

Nem

[Pete]

Nemecys said:

1. In a coffin match, does the wrestler that gets 10 tokens automatically get put in the coffin, or does he have to be thrown in according to the chart after getting 10 tokens?

The match must end on the chart, though you can always change up the rules if you like.

2. Does a ladder match end in a pin roll or does the match only end according to the chart with the wrestler adding 1 to his pin if pin his rolled?

Now this is different--I'm almost positive that once a wrestler reaches 12, his opponent automatically climbs the chart for the win. No, pinfalls don't count. Just add 1 to the Pin rating and treat as "down."[/quote]

3. In a tables match, do you have to roll on the chart and have 2 tables broken on the chart to lose?

Yes. The match can't end until two tables are broken (it doesn't matter who goes through which table). Like above, add 1 to the Pin rating and keep going.

4. I lost my 4 Weapons of Destruction rules, but I still have the chart in my Ringside Companion. I just want to know how the match ends. I thought it was 1st to get 10 tokens loses but I wasn't sure.

First to ten wins, correct. If both hit 10 at the same time, play until the tie is broken.

As for finishers, only ONE token is added to a wrestler's Pin rating after an unsuccessful pin, no matter what the finisher rating is. So the FIVE COUNT would only add 1 token if it doesn't get the fall, even though you use the (+3) rating twice.

6. Last question: Torture Chamber Matches end when 1 wrestler gets pinned 3 times (can't continue). What happens after each of the first 2 pins? Does the attacker continue on level 3 offense?

It's never officially been said but that's how I've always played it.

[Darth Turkish]

4. I lost my 4 Weapons of Destruction rules, but I still have the chart in my Ringside Companion. I just want to know how the match ends. I thought it was 1st to get 10 tokens loses but I wasn't sure.


First to ten wins, correct. If both hit 10 at the same time, play until the tie is broken.

Is this really the rule?? I love this match, and usually have the wrestlers beat each other silly, before pinning each other.

It is pretty funny that I did not even know there was a counter limit on my favorite special match!

[Nemecys]

Okay thanks for all the answers. What about finishers and pin ratings? Does the pin rating keep the finisher's plus or just gain one token?

Thanks again,

Jay

[Chris Ingersoll]

Turkish said:

Is this really the rule?? I love this match, and usually have the wrestlers beat each other silly, before pinning each other.

Yeah, I ignore the "first to 10 loses" rule on a lot of matches. This is wrestling, not boxing. (And I ignore the Adamantium Fists match entirely for similar reasons.)

I also ignore the normal rules on the Table Match; my rules are that the match can't end (by pinfall/submission) until someone has gone through [/i]at least[/i] two tables, and there are essentially a limitless supply of them for the match. Much more chaotic that way. ;D

[Darth Turkish]

Chris said:

I also ignore the normal rules on the Table Match; my rules are that the match can't end (by pinfall/submission) until someone has gone through

[/i]at least[/i] two tables, and there are essentially a limitless supply of them for the match. Much more chaotic that way. ;D[/quote]

I do the same thing: one wrestler has to go thru 2 tables before pin or submission. Keeps the match longer! ;D

[Nemecys]

Yeah I like the idea of having to put an opponent through2 tables to win...no pins/submissions. I'm currently working on hardcore match rules that will allow wrestlers to fight all over the place, like in the latest Smackdown video game. My friend and I love fighting in Times Square so why not do it in the game!

Jay

[wildman]

Nemecys said:

Okay thanks for all the answers. What about finishers and pin ratings? Does the pin rating keep the finisher's plus or just gain one token?

Thanks again,

Jay

If a wrestler kicks out after a Finisher, you only add 1 token. The finisher rating is only for the immediate pin fall

[Azathoth]

For pin ratings I add half of the finisher rating plus one in fatiuge tokens.


It would make sense that a full strength cosmic big bang would do more lasting damage than Guile's finisher.

- half tokens make no difference in pin rolls but are kept because two half tokens make one whole one

[gamtime247]

I know a lot of people don't do it, but I do add however many tokens the finisher rating is. It stops guys from kicking out of more than 2 or 3 finishers, which never really happens in wrestling here in the US.

[Nemecys]

Thanks,

I've always done the same as Gamtime. But then I saw Bundy's card which said so add it to both rolls, which confused me. I like the half tokens idea.

Thanks again,

Jay