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Post by R.A.T.M. on Jun 18, 2006 21:58:17 GMT -5
Just watched the PPV, won't give any spoilers, but WTF, the worst finish since, well since last week! What the hell, i'm thinking COTG is the only wrestling worth caring about, jeesh!  |
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Post by floydthebarber on Jun 18, 2006 22:11:37 GMT -5
I said I'd stop watching...and I will.
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Post by Mad Dog on Jun 18, 2006 22:14:42 GMT -5
He didn't actually win the belt though.
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Post by swarm on Jun 18, 2006 22:16:48 GMT -5
Hahahaha!
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Post by PureHatred on Jun 18, 2006 23:26:25 GMT -5
The Heat/Mavs game is finishing up so I was waiting to post my thoughts, but here goes:
Up until the end I REALLY, REALLY liked this PPV. Definitely my favorite TNA PPV of the year, going into KOTM. Dudleys/NAO was entertaining, the X elimination match had a bunch of nice spots and Low Ki looked great, Tag title match was great with a very satisfying ending, Nash/Sabin and Joe/BPP were both surprisingly good..way better than I expected. And Cornette's promo was fantastic, reminiscent of his ROH stuff.
And then they flush all that positive feeling down the toilet with the same ol bullcrap they've been dishing out for four years.
Seriously, the two people in TNA that I'd pay not to see on my TV are JJ and Larry Zbysko. So now they are going to be the main components in the title picture. Again. (and wasn't Zbysko anti-JJ just a few months ago?)
And of course, they use Hebner to allude to Montreal. Which is a tired storyline, when the WWE uses it. Why TNA continues to use the WWE's history to drive its stories baffles me.
Doesn't anyone in TNA see that JJ is not getting good heat? And he hasn't been getting good heat for years now.
Cornette made this great point about how they had guys in the back - new faces- that they could make into stars, NOW. And then they end the show by referencing a ten year old storyline, to do the same ending they did two years ago to put over a guy who hurts the company whenever he's the focus.
Christian Cage's run at the top was hurt because the focus has been on Sting/JJ. Raven's major run a year or so ago was killed by JJ going over and then when he does win the title JJ gets it back right before Impact debuts. Taven ends up in a pointless feud with Zbysko, which was mysteriously dropped, killing his heat again. Rhino looked like a fluke because of his run that lasted less than a week with a title. What the hell are these people thinking? NOBODY WANTS TO SEE HIM IN A MAIN EVENT.
Seeing JJ go over on a PPV made me want to throw up in my mouth. i won't be tuning in Thursday. If they did this storyline to build for TV, it didn't work for me, personally.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Jun 18, 2006 23:31:29 GMT -5
It was a great PPV. And honestly I don't think he is going to get the title. I think they will set up a tournament and we will see Joe walk away with it.
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Post by floydthebarber on Jun 18, 2006 23:44:43 GMT -5
Whether the Title is held up or not…having JJJ ‘win’ KOTM is just a bad call for all the reasons PureHatred said. A whole bunch of positives are once again overshadowed by Mr. Glory Hog himself.
A NWA World Title Tournament doesn’t really interest me all that much. Didn’t we just have a World X Cup AND qualification matches to get into KOTM? I can see the ‘storyline’ reasons for doing what they did (gets people talking for one...and even bad press is press)…but its just SO the wrong message to be sending TNA fans.
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Post by PureHatred on Jun 18, 2006 23:52:27 GMT -5
Thank You. They JUST had a tournament to get into the KOTM. And if this was done to "get people talking" it's stupid because ,most people I know who stopped watching TNA, did so because of JJ.
Didn't they try to 'get people talking' with the Rhino win? And look how that ended, with a shotgun win for Jarrett.
They capped off several weeks of very decent programming and a great PPV with the exact ending that 99.9% of TNA's fanbase didn't want to see. That's not a good decision, no matter how the storyline winds up.
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Post by floydthebarber on Jun 18, 2006 23:58:38 GMT -5
Yeah, it really smells like a total desperation move on TNA's part. So...I guess this means they had no long term plans for Christian...and no long term plans really for anyone if they are so quick to have another tournament to crown a Champion?
MAYBE Cornette can pull a rabbit out of his hat and come up with something compelling...but I have a feeling were going to get more of the same from JJJ and Co.
Oh well...
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Post by Splattercat on Jun 19, 2006 1:04:08 GMT -5
We weren't exactly jumping out of our seats when that happened either...I think there was actually a <WTF> bubble above our heads too... But, if you recall, I had the very same reaction when i saw Judgement Day ("Great PPV horrible match ending) and when the Spirit Squad won the tag belts after Wrestlemania (screw you Raw) and I was told my reaction was too strong...Granted, the World Title is a lot more major a deal, but still... That besides, the PPV was very good...I enjoyed every match, including the last one up until the spin ending...Christian Cage should have kept the belt, and it's possible (however unlikely) that he may have it given back to him (or he and the winner have a match where Cristian wins)... On a final note, if I'd had my way in '97, Earl Hebner (among others) would have been burned at the stake for what happened in Montreal...Had that been the case, this ending would not have happened...  |
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Post by canadianpittbull on Jun 19, 2006 11:06:59 GMT -5
Hmm, I think the fact that the audience tossed garbage in the ring should pretty much send the message home to TNA management. One would think?  |
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Post by Wildfire on Jun 19, 2006 11:28:45 GMT -5
I didn't see the show, so I won't comment there, but what if this is the end of Jarrett? I know, its probably wishful thinking, but what if Jim Cornette comes out on Impact and bans Jarret and Zybsko (hell, Hebner too) from TNA for life for attempting to sabotage a PPV?
I'm not really up for a tournament either, but at least there would be an up side.
As for Christian, he really needs to turn heel. This good guy thing really sucks the life out of his promos. He's really struggling to get pops.. I think people would cheer him more as his old arrogant heel character.
just my .02
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Post by gatekeeper on Jun 19, 2006 12:10:36 GMT -5
Totally agree about Christian. His personality is much more tailored to be a heel than a face.
Can't believe that they had JJ go over, again. But then again, they're still using the 6-sided ring for some reason, too.
I don't see why they're not putting Monty Brown in the main events more and put the title on him. Maybe they're waiting for the right time.
That guy is one of their better all around characters. A lot of things you could do with this guy, but he is just stagnant in TNA.
The main problem with JJ having the belt is that (I've made this point in another thread) there is not that top face that the fans will totally get behind to go against JJ. It should be AJ but other than that, their faces are pretty weak. All of their best guys are heels.
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Post by Splattercat on Jun 19, 2006 13:22:47 GMT -5
Well, Before he went Heel way back when (and joined Jarrett), Monty Brown WAS a potential Uber-Face...Wouldn't take much to turn him back...just have him beat the crap out of Jarrett.. .  "Following Destination X, Brown underwent surgery on his knee, which had previously blown out, on March 17, 2006." I could be wrong, but this may be why he's not as prominant of late, and wasn't at the Pay per view... |
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Post by mwjergs on Jun 19, 2006 13:32:03 GMT -5
Agree with Hatred here.
Most of the PPV was solid entertainment.
The Main Event was awful. Why you put the belt on JJ makes no sense. JJ has heat on him but it's that "you suck and please get lost" heat. I agree I'n not sure when they're whole idea is to be different and they allude to old WWE storylines. Separate yourself on your own merits. Dissapointing.
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Post by bmurderh8s on Jun 19, 2006 13:39:59 GMT -5
What the hell happened?! Did they end up pulling a variation of the "Dusty finish"? Because thats what it sounds like.
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Post by pikemojo on Jun 19, 2006 14:13:52 GMT -5
I don't see why they're not putting Monty Brown in the main events more and put the title on him. Maybe they're waiting for the right time. That guy is one of their better all around characters. A lot of things you could do with this guy, but he is just stagnant in TNA. I have heard that TNA management is not as high on Monty as they used to be. He is pretty much unwilling to work any indy dates which would help him to get better on the mic as well as get a better all around in the ring. He has a personal trainer business and doesn't want to take away from that to do indy dates. That of course is his choice but that shows management that he is more devoted to his own business than to the wrestling business. |
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Post by canadianpittbull on Jun 19, 2006 14:33:42 GMT -5
I really thought they were going to have Christian keep the title and therefore be the first one in the King of the Mountain to stay as champion. Then I felt there would be a heel turn. But they went with Jarrett again. Who knows maybe it was TNA's way of seeing how the crowd reacts and then say "See Jeff we told you so!" Maybe a wake up call that it is not about Jarrett? |
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Post by PureHatred on Jun 19, 2006 16:17:10 GMT -5
I guess we can always count on CPB for a positive spin. but I honestly don't want to watch TNAS now. At least not until after I see if there is going to be an entertaining resolution to this. And I can't see how that can happen since, because of the way the story was written, the resolution is going to involve the two people in TNA I am least interested in watching: Jeff Jarrett and Larry Zbysko.
JJ is JJ. And Zbysko is so dull that Slick Johnson looks entertaining in comparison just by being in a scen with Larry. I can't se myself watching a months worth of TV leading to a PPV featuring those two.
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Post by myview on Jun 19, 2006 16:33:28 GMT -5
I'll agree that this was one of the WTF moments in wrestling for me, the final match overall just seemed lost in transition. I still thought this was a better pay-per-view then Sacrifice, the best moment was when Styles and Daniels won the NWA World Tag Team Belts over AMW, now I agree with Cornette... that was tag team wrestling! Speaking of Cornette, I think he will do a good job as the new face for TNA. I'm also going to agree that TNA better have taken notice that the fans are not too pleased with that ending and the crowd at the ppv sent that message to them loud and clear I would say. I still support TNA and I can't wait to see what takes place this Thursday!
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