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Post by Splattercat on May 14, 2006 23:22:00 GMT -5
yeah, so can Violent J... ;D
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 14, 2006 23:31:39 GMT -5
So could Hugh Morrus...and he's not half the worker Joe is.
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Post by PureHatred on May 14, 2006 23:59:44 GMT -5
I've seen a ton of Joe matches. He smokes Umaga as a worker. It's not even close. It's even a ridiculous comparison. He's putting on 30 and 40 minute clinics in ROH and Jamal is just another generic brawler getting a monster push.
it's hard to compare the two as draws because Umaga has the benfit of working for the WWE while Joe is working for TNA. But the fact that he made a name for himself before TNA, working for a company like ROH with limited exposure leads me to believe that because of his offense and his unique look Joe could get over anywhere with a decent push.
But as a worker..yeah, Umaga shouldn't even be in the same conversation. .
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Post by swarm on May 15, 2006 0:28:06 GMT -5
While Joe does nothing for me as a fan (maybe it's the guys he's in the ring with I don't know), to be fair, I never said Umaga is a better worker than him.
I said he was bigger...looked better, just as agile, and had more potential to "make it" in the big leagues than Joe could ever have.
which is all true.
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Post by Tournament Master on May 15, 2006 9:58:03 GMT -5
Usually I never disagree with Swarm, but I may need to on this issue. In terms of longterm viability, I think Joe's character has more appeal. The time of the Samoan Savage has passed, Umaga has great skills, but his character seems like Sika 2.0. Samoa Joe has the technical skills and has the aura of a legit badass that I think makes him more of a serious threat to today's fans (even if he is smaller and that fact is hidden by the small guys in TNA). If he ever makes it to WWE, he would probably have to be put on Smackdown, just sseems a better fit for that program.
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Post by Splattercat on May 15, 2006 10:57:52 GMT -5
If Joe goes to WWE, then Swarm probably is right...All joe will have to look forward to is a slow painful burial...Then Umaga will be the superior because WWE wouldn't have a clue how to use Joe...He would more likely be billed as mid-card talent and put against the likes of Mark Henry as squash material than be put in matches we would want to see, like Benoit or Angle...
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Post by swarm on May 15, 2006 11:50:26 GMT -5
If Joe goes to WWE, then Swarm probably is right...All joe will have to look forward to is a slow painful burial...Then Umaga will be the superior because WWE wouldn't have a clue how to use Joe...He would more likely be billed as mid-card talent and put against the likes of Mark Henry as squash material than be put in matches we would want to see, like Benoit or Angle... for the most part, this what I'm saying...I don't think Joe would make it in the WWE. Apparently the WWE thinks the same, or they would have signed him a long time ago. Instead they created thier own Joe in Umaga, who has a better look, and a better chance of drawing in the big leagues. That's pretty much my point, no more, no less. |
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 15, 2006 12:06:08 GMT -5
Umanga has a better look? Haha your killing me here. I think Joe is ten times the wrestler Umanga is. I guess you could get credibility to if you wiped the floor with Ric Flair at his age.  |
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Post by swarm on May 15, 2006 12:09:34 GMT -5
Umanga has a better look? Haha your killing me here. I think Joe is ten times the wrestler Umanga is. I guess you could get credibility to if you wiped the floor with Ric Flair at his age. yeah, I think Umaga has a better look. Let's see...Umaga is bigger, has a bunch of cool tattooes...make up on his face and looks more vicious all around... Joe has titties... again, I didn't say Umaga was a better wrestler than Joe, do you understand that? |
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 15, 2006 12:11:09 GMT -5
Cool tattoos does not a wrestler make. Your grasping.....  |
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Post by swarm on May 15, 2006 12:18:17 GMT -5
Cool tattoos does not a wrestler make. Your grasping..... well I don't care what your move set is when you've got DD titties flying all over the place with each move. Put a friggin singlet on those sand bags... |
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Post by PureHatred on May 15, 2006 12:46:31 GMT -5
I just think the whole 'savage samoan' bit is way past its time. But who knows? I never thought Boogey Man would get over, either.
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Post by Joe on May 15, 2006 13:26:05 GMT -5
Cool tattoos does not a wrestler make. Your grasping..... This is true, but it is idiotic to say one's look does not factor into how much a person can draw and how big a star he can be. As long as TV is a major factor, appearance will always be a major factor. In the past quarter-century, how many major stars (think what constitutes "major" before anyone responds, please) didn't have an impressive look? The answer, unless I am seriously overlooking someone, is one. And until Samoa Joe shows he can carry a microphone like Dusty Rhodes the number of big-tit mega-stars will remain at one. |
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Post by swarm on May 15, 2006 13:38:43 GMT -5
Cool tattoos does not a wrestler make. Your grasping..... This is true, but it is idiotic to say one's look does not factor into how much a person can draw and how big a star he can be. As long as TV is a major factor, appearance will always be a major factor. In the past quarter-century, how many major stars (think what constitutes "major" before anyone responds, please) didn't have an impressive look? The answer, unless I am seriously overlooking someone, is one. And until Samoa Joe shows he can carry a microphone like Dusty Rhodes the number of big-tit mega-stars will remain at one. To be fair Yokozuna made some tig ol bitties but he's was kind of the exception to the rule since he was supposed to be, well, a Yokozuna. |
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Post by Joe on May 15, 2006 13:42:25 GMT -5
This is true, but it is idiotic to say one's look does not factor into how much a person can draw and how big a star he can be. As long as TV is a major factor, appearance will always be a major factor. In the past quarter-century, how many major stars (think what constitutes "major" before anyone responds, please) didn't have an impressive look? The answer, unless I am seriously overlooking someone, is one. And until Samoa Joe shows he can carry a microphone like Dusty Rhodes the number of big-tit mega-stars will remain at one. To be fair Yokozuna made some tig ol bitties but he's was kind of the exception to the rule since he was supposed to be, well, a Yokozuna. I did overlook Yokozuna! Yoko was very good in the ring considering the way his size limited him. As good as he was, though, Yoko never would have been allowed to be the face of the company in the way some people see Samoa Joe becoming. |
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Post by Splattercat on May 15, 2006 14:24:38 GMT -5
He got the nod from Harley Race...That's good enough for me...
Besides, WWE already took a shot at getting him...I'm sure at some point he'll get in better shape, but right now, he's ten times the draw Umaga will ever be look or no look...
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Post by Joe on May 15, 2006 15:35:04 GMT -5
He got the nod from Harley Race...That's good enough for me... Besides, WWE already took a shot at getting him...I'm sure at some point he'll get in better shape, but right now, he's ten times the draw Umaga will ever be look or no look... Are you talking about that damn PWI story? I'm not knocking Harley Race. I saw some great matches of his from the 70s and early 80s, but what does his stamp of approval as far as being an in-ring worker have to do with what kind of draw Samoa Joe will be in the future? If you want an honest assessment about what kind of draw Samoa Joe is in comparison to anyone, look at Impact's ratings. TNA's ratings are roughly the same as they were when he debuted. Apparently, he's not that great of a draw. |
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Post by Splattercat on May 16, 2006 1:36:59 GMT -5
Says a lot about Umaga then doesn't it....?  Okay in all seriousness, what Harley Race said was that he liked watching Samoa Joe, and he liked his look...Joe isn't the usual chiseled superman you see in every other good wrestler...He could stand to get in better shape, and maybe he will, but you're not going to see him go all D-Von on us either... I didn't say harley Race said he was going to be some big star....I said he liked his look...Since, that's what we're talking about right..? You don't seriously want to compare Umaga to Joe as a wrestler do you..? |
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Post by Joe on May 16, 2006 12:18:09 GMT -5
Says a lot about Umaga then doesn't it....? Okay in all seriousness, what Harley Race said was that he liked watching Samoa Joe, and he liked his look...Joe isn't the usual chiseled superman you see in every other good wrestler...He could stand to get in better shape, and maybe he will, but you're not going to see him go all D-Von on us either... I didn't say harley Race said he was going to be some big star....I said he liked his look...Since, that's what we're talking about right..? You don't seriously want to compare Umaga to Joe as a wrestler do you..? I never said anything about Umaga being a better wrestler than Joe. As for Race liking his look... well, look at Race. He comes from a different era. Harley Race looked like what he was, a tough sonofabitch that could out-fight and out-drink most of his opponents. That sold in St. Louis in the 1960s and 1970s. If it sold today, then Sandman, with some creativity and better mic skills, would have been the biggest money-maker ever instead of Steve Austin. |
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Post by Splattercat on May 17, 2006 12:54:29 GMT -5
Well, currently his look is keeping him out of WWE, so God bless him... Of course, that also means that we won't get to see him destroy Umaga, so I guess there is a bad point to that... I guess though, if he were signed, WWE would probably want him to get in better shape so he wouldn't actually start until about 4+ months after his signing...Umaga will be gone by then anyway...  |
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