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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 8, 2006 2:01:03 GMT -5
Shelley's got decent mic skills, but a great personality that shines through even when he's not given mic time. He reminds me alot of Jericho from WCW's cruiserweight division, circa 1998. (The one guy with a personality carrying the storytelling for a bunch of spot machines).
Petey has potential, but D'Amore overshadows him like a solar eclipse. They've tried several times in the past with Killings, from promo time to video vignettes. WCW tried getting Skipper over in WCW...he seriously needs a mouthpiece. Of course, he has that with Simon Diamond...if they would let Diamond have a chance to get the Diamonds in the Rough over. But right now, The Diamonds in the Rough may as well be a heel job squad.
Maybe Cornette can teach some of these guys...though, for those who has seen "Secrets of the Ring with Jim Cornette" he HATES spot machines who plan out spotfests and then look like deer in headlights when they mess one up. He's a MUCH bigger fan of a punch over a plancha.
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Post by LWPD on May 8, 2006 6:54:55 GMT -5
I really hope that they use Cornette as a booker as well as his on air persona. I would not mind a no nonsense face authority figure and actually I think that Raven beating the crap outta Zbysko could be fun. Put Cornette, D'Amore and 1 or 2 more people on the booking commitee. No Jarretts allowed. It will be interesting to see how he is actually used. If Dutch Mantell...who has an old school Southern Style philosophy and was actually able to 'make money' recently in PR booking the IWA couldn't turn things around in TNA when he was hired to work in Creative...Cornette isn't likely to make much of a dent either. Even if he was put on as part of the committee...it really wouldn't make much of an impact. When he owned SMW or OVW he had absolute control...in TNA he would be just another cog in the wheel like Mantell. TNA has the same creative dynamic today that it did when it started. Some of the names and faces have changed...but at the end of the day it's JJ with absolute creative control over his character...booking himself in programs he feels comfortable working with... and others in the committee helping to shape the rest as filler. It isn't going to change and from Jeff's perspective it really shouldn't. Voluntarily lowering himself down the card would decrease his payouts with no real world gain...in any business that's not how the world works. While in theory Panda could 'bench him'...given who runs Panda that also isn't likely to happen. He's not only a part owner...he's the sole reason Panda came to believe in the project. The day Dixie no longer believes in Jeff Jarrett is the day they stop footing the bills.
LWPD (as long as TNA exists...Jeff Jarret (part owner and personal friend of Dixie Carter) will continue to be compensated through his wrestling gig payouts...which means working at the top of the card (with or without the belt) and with television time focused on selling his programs...there's no other way that's beneficial to him and this isn't going to change)
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Post by swarm on May 8, 2006 7:31:37 GMT -5
I didn't get the Nash joke, either Burchill-Animal...taking a promising star and jobbing him out to a complete has-been. Except Nash was at least at his peak ten years ago. Animal was already a has-been ten years ago. I still don't get it. Burchill is a rookie rising star while AJ has been around for years...makes no sense. |
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Post by GalactiKing on May 8, 2006 10:54:24 GMT -5
I think Cornette could be a good signing, but I'm not sure how TNA will use him. He may not even really be able to do much as a manager as he can't take the bumps he used to take.
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Post by Tournament Master on May 8, 2006 11:12:58 GMT -5
He doesn't need to be on camera to be good for TNA, just help out with the booking and storylines. Maybe we'll start seeing some storylines that make sense for a change.
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Post by madacapa on May 9, 2006 12:00:07 GMT -5
Maybe Cornette can convince Jeff Jarrett to stay out of the storylines....he is holding TNA back.
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 9, 2006 12:46:21 GMT -5
I hardly see Jeff Jarrett holding back TNA it is a group effort. I'm tired of the whiners. Everyone chews on about how they hate Jarrett with the belt he loses the belt and now people are jawing about him being somewhere else. Quit the old lady quilting bee act folks and learn to love the fact that Jeff Jarrett put TNA on the map! If JJ wasn't in the picture that company would have sunk years ago! JEFF JARRETT IS TNA!!!! ;D   |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 9, 2006 13:49:13 GMT -5
Technically, it's true. But that doesn't change the fact that Jarrett's sucking the heat out of everything around him.
My wife, who isn't a wrestling fan, never misses an opportunity to point out how uninteresting Jarrett is when he talks...and how he sounds completely out of place compared to other main event talent.
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Post by GalactiKing on May 9, 2006 15:30:52 GMT -5
TNA is going to live and die by Jarrett though. Not that I want him at the top level(heck even Hunter learned that you occasionally have to step aside to remain fresh), but he's still going to be what moves TNA along in the end.
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Post by PureHatred on May 9, 2006 17:47:38 GMT -5
I hardly see Jeff Jarrett holding back TNA it is a group effort. I'm tired of the whiners. Everyone chews on about how they hate Jarrett with the belt he loses the belt and now people are jawing about him being somewhere else. Quit the old lady quilting bee act folks and learn to love the fact that Jeff Jarrett put TNA on the map! If JJ wasn't in the picture that company would have sunk years ago! JEFF JARRETT IS TNA!!!! ;D This who le post is hilarious. JJ may not have the belt but he is CLEARLY still the focus of the shows. And I would honestly love to hear you explain how not having JJ would've hurt TNA...outside of his father's finances he has stifled the growth of evey member of that roster with any break out potential and the one time - THE ONE TIME - that TNA had managed to get one of its top faces over (Raven) Jarrett cut his legs out from under him completely. He's not a draw. He's never been a draw. How can you deny that a company is being handicapped by being forced to build itself around a guy that nobody has ever paid to see?  Jarrett is the high school basketball player who gets way too much playing time because his dad is the coach. That never works out. Jeff Jarrett did not "put TNA on the map." He built a company because NOBODY ELSE WANTED HIM. Without him, they would've had a harder time getting financial backing, but take away his dad's business connections, and he brings nothing to the table. There are at least 10 wrestlers on that roster now or in the past that would've done a better job as the top heel. TNA, as an entity, would be better off without him. Period. |
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Post by Mr. Jimmyface on May 9, 2006 19:36:53 GMT -5
TNA would not exist without Jeff Jarrett - accept it, make your peace with it, and pass me the dinner rolls.
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Post by PureHatred on May 9, 2006 19:51:50 GMT -5
TNA would not exist without Jeff Jarrett - accept it, make your peace with it, and pass me the dinner rolls. So because he started the company its ok to put himself at the top of the card even though he's hurting the product? Don't fans blast Vince Mcmahon for doing exactly this? Even though Vince is 100x the draw Jarrett is? And arguably the better woker? I'll never get that. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 9, 2006 22:29:45 GMT -5
Nah, Vince isn't the better worker...but I wouldn't deny that he's a better mic worker and more charismatic.
But Vince's deal is like Shane's...he doesn't have to perform consistently in ring. All he has to do is get it right a couple of times a year, and in both cases it is almost always garbage match spotfests that hide the fact that neither guy can actually, ya know, wrestle.
But yeah, Jarrett may be responsible for its birth...and his BSing may be responsible for people pumping money into it...and I DO get that he's not going anywhere...I said as much earlier this week or last week...but that doesn't change that TNA's pretty much screwed as long as Jarrett's got his creative control to ensure that a guy who has never drawn a dime in his life is constantly booked as the top man in the company, title or no title.
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 9, 2006 23:40:07 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett is not the King of the Mountain for nothing. He can wrestle circles around Triple H and is TEN TIMES the better on the man on mic than most guys in the WWE. It all comes down to one thing..... JEFF JARRETT = RATINGS!! You take Jeff Jarrett and any WCW alumi currently working in TNA and you will lose half if not more of your viewership! Jeff Jarrett is the hardest working man in professional wrestling. You cannot deny is abilities. You may all hate him but you will learn to love him! |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 10, 2006 0:06:25 GMT -5
CP has totally lost it.
Especially since TNA's ratings singlehandedly deflate that entire argument...=P
Someone reserve a rubber room.
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Post by PureHatred on May 10, 2006 0:15:52 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett is not the King of the Mountain for nothing. He can wrestle circles around Triple H and is TEN TIMES the better on the man on mic than most guys in the WWE. It all comes down to one thing..... JEFF JARRETT = RATINGS!! You take Jeff Jarrett and any WCW alumi currently working in TNA and you will lose half if not more of your viewership! Jeff Jarrett is the hardest working man in professional wrestling. You cannot deny is abilities. You may all hate him but you will learn to love him! PLease tell me that smiley face means you're kidding and you know how ridiculous that statement sounds. |
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Post by thefamoustommyz on May 10, 2006 2:05:24 GMT -5
Cornette has now clarified that he is committed to ROH and has made a verbal committment for a limited number of dates with TNA (which, with their TV schedule, could EASILY be through the end of the year, to be fair)...anyway...I think that pretty well kills any hope that Cornette's gonna be the Savior of TNA.
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Post by LWPD on May 10, 2006 6:45:58 GMT -5
TNA is 'screwed' regardless. Booking AJ Styles or Samoa Joe or anyone else on top isn't going to magically change the fact that running a full time pro wres project under the fiscal realities of 2006 without a realistically profitable revenue stream is financially suicidal. Without Jeff to justify the red ink with his 'vision' the project would have died out completely.
The initial idea was to try to make money with cheaply produced weekly PPVs sans traditional expenses such as travel, venues rentals, advertising, etc. The budget spent on talent was to be as low as humanly possible with Jeff staring as the feature performer and the rest of the roster used as inexpensive filler. The main reason the X Division was ever created was because small Indy talent came cheap. They rolled the dice and the project failed miserably. At that point the sales pitch sold to the money marks was reworked and has now morphed into something that 'justifies' what we see today...even though the Jarretts themselves knew from the start this approach had no realistic chance of working.
I give Jeff credit because while TNA has never been profitable...he has found a way to 'make money' off the backs of the money marks he's conned into fronting the operating expenses and pay him as the featured talent. It's ironic because if those who believe Jeff's formula 'holds TNA back' and acts counter to the 'best interests of the company' got what they really wanted....if things were judged objectively by Panda then in no time flat whole thing would fold like a cheap camera.
LWPD (being able to watch 'something' with drawbacks they don't like is better than having the nothing that would result without JJ manipulating the money marks into chasing visions of rainbows...rainbows fans themselves have a tendency to falsely envision 'if only we did it this way/without JJ'...not realizing it's all smoke and mirrors at this point and the whole project jumped the shark the moment it was launched)
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Post by canadianpittbull on May 10, 2006 7:43:37 GMT -5
My last two posts were a joke, I was being sarcastic. hehe, hence the smilies in both posts. I don't know how that was missed in the first post with three...count'em three smilies denoting it.
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Post by gwffantrav on May 10, 2006 8:53:47 GMT -5
Ohhh, we know it's just something in the water up there...wait, that's in Mexico. Then what is it up there CPB?!?? |
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