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Post by Raven on Nov 26, 2005 16:49:04 GMT -5
Christian goes from being jobbed out to everyone on the roster, despite legions of his peeps cheering him on like crazy, and the makings of a big push that fizzled out and went no where for no apparent reason.....
To being an instant main eventer and contender for the world title. He's still got plenty of peeps behind him. Money shouldn't be the issue, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. He gets a lighter schedule and is near his home so there isn't as much travel.
Yes, lets feel sorry for him. He made the choice he felt was right for him, a choice that could very well lead to the world title. Poor Captain Charisma.
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Post by tafkaga on Nov 26, 2005 17:30:22 GMT -5
As Raven and Joe have said, I'm going to assume Christian isn't a total moron and that he knew what he was doing. He knew he'd be taking less pay. He knew TNA did not have nearly the same audience. So far he's gotten a nice push in TNA. Unless you're just totally biased against TNA, I can't see why you'd think that he regretted his decision. There is absolutely zero evidence of this.
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Post by hawk on Nov 26, 2005 19:31:44 GMT -5
Actually, if Christian plays it right, he'll make almost exactly the same amount of money, if not MORE.
Wanna know why? He has TNA, which pays him pretty well for only a few dates here and there.
He's going to start doing Indies eventually, which he'll get even more money then guys like Raven & Sabu.
Japan, espcially AJPW will kill to have him show up, let alone Hustle, and Japan usually pays pretty well.
Not to mention he'll have free time to work on other projects if he wants to. Leaving WWE was probably the RIGHT move to make for his career.
Plus...it's not like the TNA audience has turned their back on him, or some other stupid BS. The guy has gotten near god-level reactions from the usually aloof Orlando crowds. He's a GOD to them for what he's done.
Christian is not regretting his decision yet. If TNA loses their TV? Probably, but for right now? He's MADE in TNA.
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Post by swarm on Nov 26, 2005 22:26:38 GMT -5
I'm glad we have you hear to tell us what all of TNA's wrestlers are thinking. dude you are such a dork. |
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Post by tafkaga on Nov 27, 2005 0:18:12 GMT -5
Ouch.  That one hurt. |
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Post by swarm on Nov 27, 2005 15:52:34 GMT -5
In short...no. I'm not going to argue, because we're all pretty clear what Swarm and Joe think...but you don't make a decision like Christian made only to regret it 3 weeks later. He knows what he's doing...just like those people who watch TNA instead of RAW know what they're doing. I don't know...I'm sure he thought he knew what he was doing but lets face the facts here... he tried to call Vince's bluff and in turn, Vince called his bluff... I'm sure he banked on a huge buzz when he jumped and he was right...but how long did that last? one week? look around, almost nobody across the IWC cares about this guy anymore... nobody who watched him in WWE is going to start watching TNA just cause he's there... most TNA fans are either pure WWE haters, or ex-WCW fans... and Christian isn't the guy to lead the change...the ratings show it and he's got to know what the rating are wouldn't he? and really, where is there for him to go in TNA? best case scenerio, he wins the title...wow...that's great for TNA...one of the worst guys in the WWE as far as W/L records go, is now the best guy in TNA... what does that tell casual fan? it says that the worst from the WWE are the best in TNA...that's marketing  and what kind of Main Event is JJ vs. christian cage anyways? at best, that's an I-C Title match 5 years ago in the WWE... not only that but I've got news for you people...Christian isn't exactly a great "wrestler", or even a good one...he got by in the WWE based on his mic skills, and working the WWE safe style... sure, he is wrestling TNA's biggest joke right now in Monty Brown, but what happens when he's in there with the X division guys? He's going to look so bad he's going to make Kevin Nash look like Rey Mysterio... TNA [censored] up when they didn't go forward and let Styles and Daniels lead the fed as the 2 top stars...instead, they stick them on the middle of the card and orgasm every time a WWE has-been nobody shows up... Christian went from being cheered in front of 20,000 people on LIVE TV, not to mention having huge success at a little known supercard called WRESTLEMANIA each year to wrestling in front of 1/100 of that audience, on taped shows, against guys who weren't or aren't good enough to wrestle in the big leagues... whoever you are, take a second and think about your job...do you work for a major power company? what if you let your ego get in the way of your career and you left to go work for not only the competition...but a company so far down the ladder from where you were you can't even see the top anymore? I would think that would feel pretty crappy, and there would be some regret involved. But maybe you guys are right...maybe Christian enjoys the little pond...I guess it's possible...but when that little pond dries up, or Vince buys it and turns it into a parking lot, what happens to Christian then? of course, I'm big bad swarm who all the TNA fans hate, so of course most of you won't take the time to think about what I'm saying here...and that's fine. But I'm willing to bet I'm right. |
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Post by tafkaga on Nov 27, 2005 16:59:46 GMT -5
Swarm the problem with your opinions are that they are obviously so anti-TNA biased that I really don't take them seriously. I'm an old WWE fan. I supported them above all else from about 1985 to 1998. That's when they lost my viewership. I'd love nothing more than for WWE to go back to putting on a show that I feel is worthy of my attention. But for now I'm enjoying the refreshing change that is TNA... a company which I feel has loads of potential, which you do nothing which show total bias against simply because of your undying loyalty to Vince. Makes me think you're on his payroll or something with the way you are always tooting his horn for his empire.
First of all, you don't know anything about Christian bluffing or Vince calling it or any of that.
Second, you don't know anything about what kind of buzz Christian was expecting to create.
Third, where do you get your statistic that says "almost nobody in the IWC cares about this guy". The IWC is a pretty bit place Swarm... do you have employees who monitor the numerous hundreds of forums out there?
Fourth, you have no idea who might be watching TNA just because Christian is there. You don't know what you're talking about.
Fifth, you have no idea what you're talking about when you say that TNA fans are WWE-haters or ex-WCW fans. Is it so hard to believe that someone could enjoy TNA's product simply because it's enjoyable?
Sixth, you can't gauge wrestlers in TNA based on how they did in WWE. Christian's Win/loss record in WWE means zilch now. TNA is a different company in case you haven't noticed. Just because one company doesn't know how to push him doesn't mean another company can't push him right.
Seventh...your whole "the worst in WWE are the best in TNA" BS is only a myth. Christian was obviously not even close to being the worst in WWE just based on how over he was. Do you gauge the quality of all wrestlers based on how they're pushed in WWE?
Eighth... JJ vs. Jarrett would be a TNA main event. Get it? TNA. Not WWE. Don't watch TNA wrestling in the context of what these guys did in WWE. Do you understand that WWE these days is not exactly the benchmark? Or are you that much of a fanboy that you judge the success of every wrestler and the marketability of every match simply based on how WWE used them?
Ninth... you saying that Christian is not a great wrestler is your opinion only. This is professional wrestling, and the element for success is being able to entertain people. Christian has accomplished this and there's no way you can argue the point.
Tenth... I don't think Monty Brown is TNA's biggest joke. I think he has a ton of potential, and there are many people who agree. Also, they haven't stuck Christian in the X Division yet. How do you know they will? And even if they do, I'd prefer to see how they actually work together rather than just proclaiming that it would suck before having even seen it.
Eleventh... your comment about orgasming every time a WWE has-been nobody shows up just shows the level of bias and ignorance in your entire post. Jarrett, Rhino, Raven, Christian, Team 3D ... they are certainly not nobodies. And just because they no longer work for your precious WWE doesn't make them has-beens.
Twelfth... ditto to your comment on TNA wrestlers not being good enough to wrestle in the big leagues...just more ignorance and total bias on your part once again. I suppose this is based on the "greatness" of the WWE right now and their flawless recognition of great talent and how to push them. Don't make me laugh.
Thirteenth... I can't believe you have the gaul to insinuate that Christian did not think through his decision and was totally unaware of the situation he was leaving and the situation he was walking in to. You're just the type of backstage morale officer that WWE might hire, to go around to all the wrestlers and tell them "this is the big leagues, you can rise no higher than WWE, don't even consider other work options, don't ever question how we're booking you, trust us it's wonderful and nothing can ever come close to its glory".
Swarm, you are wonderful comedy relief for this forum. Maybe one of these days someone will pour some superglue solvent on Vince McMahon's @ss so that you can pry your lips off of it long enough to see reality.
Flame me big boy...or send me some more nice PM's.
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Post by swarm on Nov 27, 2005 17:21:28 GMT -5
Swarm the problem with your opinions are that they are obviously so anti-TNA biased that I really don't take them seriously. I'm an old WWE fan. I supported them above all else from about 1985 to 1998. That's when they lost my viewership. I'd love nothing more than for WWE to go back to putting on a show that I feel is worthy of my attention. But for now I'm enjoying the refreshing change that is TNA... a company which I feel has loads of potential, which you do nothing which show total bias against simply because of your undying loyalty to Vince. Makes me think you're on his payroll or something with the way you are always tooting his horn for his empire. First of all, you don't know anything about Christian bluffing or Vince calling it or any of that. Second, you don't know anything about what kind of buzz Christian was expecting to create. Third, where do you get your statistic that says "almost nobody in the IWC cares about this guy". The IWC is a pretty bit place Swarm... do you have employees who monitor the numerous hundreds of forums out there? Fourth, you have no idea who might be watching TNA just because Christian is there. You don't know what you're talking about. Fifth, you have no idea what you're talking about when you say that TNA fans are WWE-haters or ex-WCW fans. Is it so hard to believe that someone could enjoy TNA's product simply because it's enjoyable? Sixth, you can't gauge wrestlers in TNA based on how they did in WWE. Christian's Win/loss record in WWE means zilch now. TNA is a different company in case you haven't noticed. Just because one company doesn't know how to push him doesn't mean another company can't push him right. Seventh...your whole "the worst in WWE are the best in TNA" BS is only a myth. Christian was obviously not even close to being the worst in WWE just based on how over he was. Do you gauge the quality of all wrestlers based on how they're pushed in WWE? Eighth... JJ vs. Jarrett would be a TNA main event. Get it? TNA. Not WWE. Don't watch TNA wrestling in the context of what these guys did in WWE. Do you understand that WWE these days is not exactly the benchmark? Or are you that much of a fanboy that you judge the success of every wrestler and the marketability of every match simply based on how WWE used them? Ninth... you saying that Christian is not a great wrestler is your opinion only. This is professional wrestling, and the element for success is being able to entertain people. Christian has accomplished this and there's no way you can argue the point. Tenth... I don't think Monty Brown is TNA's biggest joke. I think he has a ton of potential, and there are many people who agree. Also, they haven't stuck Christian in the X Division yet. How do you know they will? And even if they do, I'd prefer to see how they actually work together rather than just proclaiming that it would suck before having even seen it. Eleventh... your comment about orgasming every time a WWE has-been nobody shows up just shows the level of bias and ignorance in your entire post. Jarrett, Rhino, Raven, Christian, Team 3D ... they are certainly not nobodies. And just because they no longer work for your precious WWE doesn't make them has-beens. Twelfth... ditto to your comment on TNA wrestlers not being good enough to wrestle in the big leagues...just more ignorance and total bias on your part once again. I suppose this is based on the "greatness" of the WWE right now and their flawless recognition of great talent and how to push them. Don't make me laugh. Thirteenth... I can't believe you have the gaul to insinuate that Christian did not think through his decision and was totally unaware of the situation he was leaving and the situation he was walking in to. You're just the type of backstage morale officer that WWE might hire, to go around to all the wrestlers and tell them "this is the big leagues, you can rise no higher than WWE, don't even consider other work options, don't ever question how we're booking you, trust us it's wonderful and nothing can ever come close to its glory". Swarm, you are wonderful comedy relief for this forum. Maybe one of these days someone will pour some superglue solvent on Vince McMahon's @ss so that you can pry your lips off of it long enough to see reality. Flame me big boy...or send me some more nice PM's. ok...but I warned you... |
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Post by floydthebarber on Nov 27, 2005 19:27:48 GMT -5
I really don't feel like wasting my time...but I just disagree with so much of what Swarm said that I figure I should say something.
I really don't think Christian was calling Vince's bluff.
He knew what he was getting into with TNA. Its a chance for him to get in on the ground floor. Its a risk...but I think a calculated one.
Your definition of buzz is your own. The effects of Christain leaving will be felt for a while. It opens the door for others (hey...he did it, maybe I can!). As for the IWC...your the expert.
Absolutly false.
Maybe. But its a 'core' for them to build with. Christain brings fans with him...Raven brings fan with him...AJ Styles brings fan with him...
Christian may not be the 'leader' of the 'change' but he is, as you said, very good on the mike and one of the biggest stars they have now. I also disagree with you that he can't wrestle. That's just sour grapes!
People said this about ECW...and while it did eventually fold, most of the ECW superstars eventually found some fame and money in WWE. Is that the end result for TNA...maybe...but even so, there is nothing wrong with trying to make something work. Not everyone just goes with the sure thing/bandwagon jumping.
More sour grapes. Where is this coming from? This is the first time I've heard you put Christian down like this. Lame. You can look at his WWE win/loss record and think what you want...but your probably in a group which accounts for 10% of wrestling fans...at most.
As much as I hate JJ...this isn't the WWE.
Lame.
There is a well thought out, intelligent response. Christian = Kevin Nash.
This coming from the guy who thinks AJ and Daniels are too skinny, too generic and too lame. Your reaching Swarm...
Valid point...but again, he knew what he was getting into. He's not stupid. Nobody who can talk on the mike like he can is a total space case.
All in all...I really don't see where your coming from Swarm.
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Post by chrismystery on Nov 27, 2005 20:35:04 GMT -5
TNA is a good product. If you like it then watch it.
I was also thinking that Swarm was on the WWE payroll. Actually, I was really thinking his last name could also be McMahon. Or maybe he's married to Vince's little niece. Anyway...it's impossible to follow somebody that blindly without some sort of ulterior motive. Whatever lame job Uncle Vince has him doing this week, like filling up Juventud's new lanmower, keep up the good work. Here's a tip, stop trying to force people not to watch TNA, it's kind of weird and you only come off looking like an attention-whore.
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Post by hawk on Nov 27, 2005 20:52:14 GMT -5
...You do realize you just implicated yourself ON THE BOARDS, with a threat, right Swarm? Considering the PM's you've sent, that might not have been the smartest idea for ya. |
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Post by swarm on Nov 27, 2005 20:54:16 GMT -5
TNA is a good product. If you like it then watch it. I was also thinking that Swarm was on the WWE payroll. Actually, I was really thinking his last name could also be McMahon. Or maybe he's married to Vince's little niece. Anyway...it's impossible to follow somebody that blindly without some sort of ulterior motive. Whatever lame job Uncle Vince has him doing this week, like filling up Juventud's new lanmower, keep up the good work. Here's a tip, stop trying to force people not to watch TNA, it's kind of weird and you only come off looking like an attention-whore. Force people to not watch TNA? what the fuck are you talking about? |
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Post by swarm on Nov 27, 2005 20:56:00 GMT -5
...You do realize you just implicated yourself ON THE BOARDS, with a threat, right Swarm? Considering the PM's you've sent, that might not have been the smartest idea for ya. yeah I'm not really worried about it. |
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Post by hawk on Nov 27, 2005 21:00:26 GMT -5
Good lord your conceited.
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That one hurt.