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Post by JimSteel on Jan 9, 2005 23:09:15 GMT -5
I didn't see the show but here are the results WWE TAG TEAM TITLES Eugene+William Regal beat Christian+Tyson Tomko NOTE Eugene suffered a knee injury WOMAN'S TITLE Trish Stratus beat Lita(C) to regain the title NOTE Lita suverly injured her knee INTERCONTINENTAL TITLE Shelton Benjamin(c) beat Maven Muhamad Hassan beat Jerry Lawler Kane beat Gene Snitsky RAW TITLE ELIMINATION CHAMBER(HBK Special Guest Referee) Triple H beat Edge,Batista,Chris Benoit,Chris Jericho+Randy Orton(Last Man eliminated) to regain the title JIM
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Post by Big Bri on Jan 9, 2005 23:53:48 GMT -5
A few thoughts...
Eugene in Hogan gear was pretty funny.
The Lita-Trish match was pretty good until Lita injured her knee, then it ended abruptly as Trish hit the Chick Kick out of nowhere then picked up a quick win.
The Maven-Benjamin matches/segment, hmm...was this the original plan, or was this done to kill time because of the shortened women's match? If it was done to kill time, then Maven might be pretty talented after all. He was great on the stick during his rant, and when he was lying in the fetal position, almost crying like a baby after he got pinned the second time...man that was good stuff. The whole thing was highly entertaining and very original.
The hotel skits were pretty funny, especially with the "Girls Gone Wild" commercial music in the background. Simon Dean pushing the guy in the pool was hillarious. Again we see how sad Val Venis has become, being reduced to a chicken fight in a hotel swimming pool, although I know it's because his contract will expire soon and they want him gone. He should've been making a movie out there, LOL!
I wonder why The Coach wasn't brought out to commentate while JR was in Lawler's corner? The lack of commentary made this match even more boring than it already was. Hassan's translator (can't remember his name) needs to pick only one language to yell at the ref in. He was pathetic and needs some heel manager training. Even though I knew Hassan would win, I expected more action from Lawler here.
I expected either Kane or Schnitsky to juice, however, neither did. Decent match though.
Hey, guess when the EC got boring? WHEN BENOIT GOT ELIMINATED!!! That's why they had he and Y2J start it off though, because they can "go". They kept things exciting...for awhile.
Edge getting eliminated first was awesome, and a great way to build his feud with HBK. I think Edge's best move is that squat/bounce thing he does as he's preparing to spear. Actually, it looks like he's trying to hold in a serious bowel movement, or he's practicing "Riverdance."
So, Batista is beating the crap out of everyone with little fatigue, and two seconds later he gets RKO'd and eliminated. At this moment, I just shook my head and gazed at the floor, as it was completely unbelievable, but oops I fogot, Orton is the new Superman of wrestling, and can knock someone out with a single move.
Great tease at the end with HHH being on Batista's shoulders. Did anyone else have a hunch that maybe, just maybe, Batista was going to drop him?
Pretty good PPV. Overall, I'd give it a 7. Now we'll have to wait and see what happens at the Royal Rumble...oh I mean Randy Orton Day.
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Post by Joe on Jan 10, 2005 0:27:19 GMT -5
Some thoughts...
I, for one, thought Batista was going to drop Triple H. For a brief moment, I thought Flair was going to signal for it.
I thought the Elimination Chamber match was very entertaining. I don't see anything wrong with Orton putting Batista down with the RKO. Wrestling has always had certian guys that put people out with one move. I remember Jake Roberts oicking up wins by hitting the DDT on good wrestlers when they were in the back drop position. Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Kerry Von Erich, and Diamond Dallas Page all, at one point or another, have used the "one-hit" gimmick pretty well.
I, too, was impressed with Maven's microphone work. He incited the crowd and played his part pretty well.
Someone on another thread expressed fear for Shelton Benjamin's future following his loss to Triple H on RAW. Rest assured, his future is fine.
I thoroughly enjoyed the PPV, although I was disappointed that the Trish Stratus-Lita match was cut short. Hopefully Lita's prognosis is good and she will return soon.
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Post by Big Bri on Jan 10, 2005 4:02:38 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with Orton putting Batista down with the RKO. Wrestling has always had certian guys that put people out with one move. What bugs me is that during the match Batista is portrayed as this unstoppable monster, destroying everything in his path, but all of a sudden he's made to look like a jobber. I could see Orton beating Batista, maybe after wearing him down for a few minutes, but just a breadbasket shot then an RKO? Come on!
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Post by Nemecys on Jan 10, 2005 6:27:55 GMT -5
Jake Roberts and the others mentioned were more believable in hitting their finishers out of nowhere. I have no doubt that dropping someone on his head or performing a falling jawbreaker would knocked out even the biggest monster. But an RKO? He just grabs your head and falls. It doesn't even look painful. I hope Batista destroys someone tonight, and though it'd kill his face push, I'd love it to be Orton.
Jay
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Jan 10, 2005 8:42:40 GMT -5
Jake Roberts and the others mentioned were more believable in hitting their finishers out of nowhere. I have no doubt that dropping someone on his head or performing a falling jawbreaker would knocked out even the biggest monster. And yet today the DDT is nothing more than a transitional move -- a near-fall at best. It still gets some use as a finish (usually by Lita most recently), but not as often as it should be. Help me out here: did you buy DDP being able to do it?
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Post by Swarm on Jan 10, 2005 15:23:57 GMT -5
I missed the first 2 matches and watched the Maven-SB match from outside while having a smoke but over-all I was pleased with the show.
I'm M >:(D that I missed the Edge-Christian back-stage stuff and can only hope they are going somehwere with them as a team (not nec. a tag-team, but together like they should be).
The EC was great. I like how HHH wasn't the last man to the ring (it made him seem on par with the rest of them, even for a moment) during the announcements. The Boo's when Batista was eliminated, and cheering like crazy for HHH when it was down to him and Randy "making stupid faces and thrusting my johnson into the air during every rest hold whatever the hell that is all about" Orton.
Since I've stopped reading the rags and listening to everyone whine and moan on wrestlecrap about HHH, I've really enjoyed him the last few weeks. I can't think of a better WWF heel in the past 10 or 15 years since Macho Man.
He almost Chaos.
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Post by Talison on Jan 10, 2005 15:48:29 GMT -5
I liked the Chamber match a lot. My problem was that after a great match up to when Batista was eliminated they seemed to be obviously "on script". No body making an effort to get Batista out of the cage seemed suspicious, as did Michaels waisting so much time to attack Flair.
I know it's a work but I count on guys like Michaels and Flair not to make it look like such.
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Post by gamtime247 on Jan 10, 2005 16:19:19 GMT -5
I agree with you swarm on the HHH thing. Some people just have it so implanted in their minds to hate on HHH they just can't look at him objectively anymore. True he does take up a lot of air time and is in the big matches constantly, but there isn't anyone else with the all around talent to do that in the wwe anymore. Maybe they could turn Orton heel or something to take it off of him a little but their obviously set on forcing him down everyone's throat. People can complain about Benoit not being the champ but the guy has the mic skills of a bucket of paint. In todays wrestling you need the skills to carry and sell a main event match, and the ability to talk, and I think no one in the wwe fits that better than the game right now. Good main event though, I just hope if they do turn batista and hhh on each other they don't sissify one of them the way they have orton. The man seemed like he couldn't miss as the next big star but as of right now I'm really wondering.
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Post by thefamoustommyz on Jan 10, 2005 19:38:52 GMT -5
Count me along those who wanted HHH to win...that is, at least to beat Orton. I don't like Orton. Don't like HHH. I like Benoit, in a certain role. World champion isn't it. Jericho, I love...but they're obviously not interested in a sustained push for him, soooo...Batista is one of the three reasons I bother with Raw (Trish and Hassan the other two) but I don't believe he should get the belt yet. SO...I was pulling for Edge to win the whole enchilada.
I don't have to read the 'Net stuff to dislike HHH.
As for Benoit's mic skills...his recent stuff has been very strong...his vey intense "wrestler's wrestler" approach. Reminds me of Arn Anderson, and I mean that in the best possible way.
Oh well...opinions make the world go 'round. That, and money.
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Post by Werner Mueck on Jan 10, 2005 20:25:28 GMT -5
About buying DDP's Diamond Cutter. I can't say that I bought it as much as I should have but he had several variations and most of them came out of nowhere. Orton tends to signal for his before he hits it and that cuts down on the excitement of the move. Just my two cents off topic.
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Post by Nemecys on Jan 11, 2005 6:26:30 GMT -5
I have to agree with Werner. Orton's move is too flashy to be believable, and yes, the showing off is worse since it makes the opponent look too stupid to see it coming. DDP's move wasn't that deadly, but it did come as a surprise when he hit it.
I can't put my finger on why I can't stand Orton, since I liked him when he first turned on HHH. Maybe I was feeling the "Orton stuffed down people's throats," that began making some others dislike.
Jsy
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Post by Mark 138 on Jan 11, 2005 9:04:33 GMT -5
I fail to see the fascination with Maven's mic skills. Are the standards really that low these days? Or is it just so amazing that he can do ANYTHING even somewhat above average? He's way over-mannered and hammy on the mic and his stuff sounds like it came straight from "So you want to be a heel 101". Maven comes off like a frat boy playing wrestler to try to impress his friends on a Friday night at 3 AM after everyone's come back from the bars. And Randy Orton is clearly in over his head as a top guy. That was one of the worst blade jobs I've ever seen. He didn't even have the guts to cut himself, he basically just poked his forehead and any blood he had drawn was gone a few minutes later. Meanwhile, everyone else (except Batista, who shouldn't bleed because he's supposed to look super-human) was bleeding full crimson masks. Then that little twerp was actually wearing a little bandage to cover his poke and MAKEUP on either side of it to look like he had a real cut! WTF! And the problem with the RKO is that he gestures like he's about to do some godlike move and then half-a@@ jumps in the air and the opponent's head may or may not happen to come down at about the same time. I liked Triple H winning the whole thing, if for nothing else than the amusement it gave me to get on the internet the next morning and read all the posts about how Triple H is the most evil and horrible thing to happen since Hitler. These little guys get so worked up!
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Post by Swarm on Jan 11, 2005 13:06:32 GMT -5
I agree with all of that.
In the case with Maven, what you said about him is everything I like about him and it's all true. I think he makes a great heel and who didn't want to see him get squashed like that after crying for 6 minutes?
HHH=CHAOS
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Post by Joe on Jan 11, 2005 13:35:22 GMT -5
Storm Rider-
I realize that you don't like Randy Orton, and really, I don't care much about him one way or the other, but to call him gutless is kind of strong. His performance against Mick Foley earlier this year should have certified him in the "guts" department.
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Post by Mark 138 on Jan 11, 2005 14:47:58 GMT -5
You assume too much from my harsh criticism. I think Orton has great potential. But that particular piece of work just came off as gutless. The real kicker was, after everyone bleeding buckets, Orton coming out the next night with his little scratch doctored up to look like an actual gash. Everyone else gave what they had in that match, Orton, unfortunately, didn't impress me on any level.
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Post by Nemecys on Jan 12, 2005 7:25:25 GMT -5
Well for those who didn't see RAW, Orton beat Batista thanks to Triple H's screw up, and now it's Orton vs. Trips at the RR. Which means no Orton/Triple H match at WM, unless they do a repeat of last year's tripel threat (are they that stuck on ideas?). This was one of the few times that I wanted Orton to win so that he's out of the WM title picture.
I'm just very surprised Batista didn't level HHH at then end though. I would have if he cost me the title match.
Jay
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Post by Talison on Jan 16, 2005 14:54:52 GMT -5
Here's Orton's deal. He's got tons of talent. He is definately destined for great things. But he is in a company that likes repeating themselves and they are trying to mak him the Rock way to soon.
He was great as a heel. Being cocky. Getting surprise wins with the RKO on better opponants. Having an aura of invincibility due to a combination of his talent, his tactics, and Evolution.
He wins the title setting up a great storyline where Evolution could have done everthing to keep the belt on him while he was portrayed as being in over his head. But they didn't do that, they turned him face instead.
Lacking his cockiness he is missing one of his best traits. He still portrays himself as arrogant but it just seems annoying on a face. And now his signalling of the RKO does deminish it's effect.
He also went from a technical wrestler with a ton of moves into a Steve Austin type who punches and kicks before nailing his unbeliveable yet unstopable finish.
So I blame little of this on Orton. I think WWE is just so desperate to recreate Rock and Austin that they are blind to the unique talent and posibilities they have in Orton.
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