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Post by Cory Olson on Mar 9, 2006 3:46:37 GMT -5
Patience, Jimi C! (I love keeping you guys in suspense!)  We'll be busy working on the next official Legends set, but I will try to go through some of our old files and put something together in the next month. We try to grant everyone's wishes, as best we can! |
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Post by Shon Maxx on Mar 31, 2006 6:10:27 GMT -5
Hi Cory,
Any chance for some more ECW alumni like RVD, Dreamer, Lance Storm and Jerry Lynn (I'd really like the latter 2 the most)?
Take care,
Jay
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 31, 2006 8:23:51 GMT -5
Some strong cards, however I am not in agreement with the Andre the Giant card, The Hulk Hogan or Bret Hart's, there are some things missing on these cards that make them more authentic to those wrestlers.
For one Hulk Hogan is way underpowered and Bret is missing a few moves that are key, for one I would take the figure-four around the post off the card as I don't see it as a move that would warrant a spot on the card. Maybe something to throw on if he was a heel or in a feud but not on the actual card. He was a great technician and his card should reflect that at this point it does not.
I am not discrediting your works by any means just think these guys should be refined a bit more. I know you guys are super busy with creating the new set but I hope when Bret Hart finally gets back to Tom that there will be some major changes to Bret's card.
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Post by thepalerider on Mar 31, 2006 14:36:35 GMT -5
I might be showing my age (or lack thereof), but I don't remember "Gorgeous" Jimmy Garvin....
I do, however, remember Jimmy going by the name Jimmy "Jam" Garvin, when he and Michael "P.S." Hayes were tagging without the other Freebirds....
Btw, what did P.S. stand for?
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Post by Cory Olson on Mar 31, 2006 14:40:47 GMT -5
Btw, what did P.S. stand for? "Purely Sexy" Jimmy wrestled as "Gorgeous" Jimmy for the majority of his career, in several territories. He was kind of considered an "unofficial" Freebird at times, as he teamed up with Hayes a few times before he became Jimmy "Jam" and an official member in '89. He and Hayes wrestled the Road Warriors at the AWA's WrestleRock card in '86. |
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Post by nelson on Mar 31, 2006 14:42:23 GMT -5
cory,
you know your stuff.
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Post by Cory Olson on Mar 31, 2006 14:49:04 GMT -5
cory, you know your stuff. Thanks, Neil. Canadian Pitbull, I just sent you a personal message, if you haven't read it yet. Thanks to everyone for their feedback and continued support! |
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Post by GalactiKing on Mar 31, 2006 15:25:52 GMT -5
I never really saw Jimmy as Gorgeous(got into wrestling just after he left NWA) but I understand he was quite entertaining.
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 31, 2006 15:32:45 GMT -5
I love your folks work don't get me wrong, I've had no complaints with the official releases at all so don't think I am not thankful for the work that goes into a wrestlers card. You guys do know your stuff and I have enjoyed your bootlegs throughly. I just wondered about refinement. Bret and Hogan respectively. Andre well is Andre and very wrong (meaning powerful) no matter what era.
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Post by Splattercat on Mar 31, 2006 15:33:28 GMT -5
Okay, I'm looking at the cards in question now...Here are my personal thoughts on them... Hogan: I think he is too strong offensively and not strong enough Defensively...It is my person opinion that Hogan should only have 2 level 3 moves on L2O...This is simply because his strength does not come from overwhelming his opponent with high impact moves, as would say Triple H or Harley Race...People (including Hogan himself)have often said that Hogan has a limited moveset, and I think his L2O should show this...So, I would replace the Backbreaker 3 with a level 2 move...Maybe even replace his 1 spot in L3O with a level 2, simply because he has been known to fizzle out on offense (like against Piper, he wouldn't stay on him, and Roddy would sneak in a move)...That would slightly diminish his Offense and allow you to strengthen him Defensively... With his Defense, I would add a comeback to level 2...Hogan is strong defensively...His whole Schtick is to take everything the opponent has and then ultimately Hulk up for the win...That in mind, I would actually replace his Dazed 1 on L2D with a HULK HOGAN 1...That way he has 3 hurts and 3 comebacks...You could replace a hurt 2 with a comback, but that looks a mite too strong... His level 3 is fine, although I personally have some reservations about his hulk up...I've seen one variation where instead of it happening every time someone rolls doubles, you have a smaller chance of it happening, (Roll a die before any pin roll and if it's a 6, or do a 5 or 6 but limit the number of attempts per match) but he goes right to his finisher...Harsh yes, but...It's Hogan...4 years of "Opponent's Finisher - Hulk Up - Punchpunchpunch - Big Boot - Legdrop - win" pretty much tells the tale on the effects of Hulkamania...The way you have it, it's set up nicely that it COULD work that way with him taking over on level 2...But, I think the only time it didn't work that way was against the Ultimate Warrior... Those are my thoughts on Hogan.... |
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Post by Splattercat on Mar 31, 2006 15:54:38 GMT -5
With Bret Hart, I think he is too weak Offensively...He should have 3 level 3 moves on L2O...If you watch Bret's matches, pretty much any of them, once he got the upper hand, he rarely lost it...Even as a face, he was methodical in the way he took apart his opponent...I think the Figure Four on the post is a bit much to use on his card though...I watched a lot of Bret's matches, including all his DVD and wrestlemania matches, and I think I only ever saw him use that three times during a match...The first two times were against The Undertaker and Diesel, both guys that Bret was said would have no chance of beating because they were too big too strong etc...So he pulled out the Figure Four on the post bit to even the odds...I can't remember who he did it to in WCW (Sting or DDP come to mind)... So if you were to replace that with his "top rope superplex-3" (said by Bret himself to be one of his favorite spots, and he did in fact use it every match) that would let you put his Sharpshooter to +3...Honestly, I like the way Bret applies the Sharpshooter better than almost anyone...And let's face it, it won him World Titles... Only other thing I can think of is to put his Turnbuckle at A...Bret did a lot of turnbuckle work, and I realize that having a Turnbuckle rating of B may be due to the spot he did when he would run chest first into the turnbuckle, but again, that was one of his favorite spots...I would give him an A regardless... By the way, I realize I kinda just burst in here, but I want you to know that I do like the work you've put into the cards...Bret and Michaels are side by side, and statistically they look about equal (although I think Shawn is a wee bit too strong offensively and a wee bit too weak defensively, but I'll save that for later)...I don't want it to look like I'm shooting down your cards, because I do actually appreciate the work that goes into them... Anyway, that's all for now... |
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Post by GalactiKing on Apr 1, 2006 8:59:12 GMT -5
I think Hart is all right, if anyone comes across as a little weak it's Savage.
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Post by gwffantrav on Apr 1, 2006 13:01:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Jimmy Garvin was a great act, "IT"S NOT MY FAULT!!!!"
Shame you missed him Troy. Garvin had a great run in World Class as one of the top heels, along with the Freebirds. He also had a great run against Chris Adams where Sunshine turned on Garvin and sided with Adams. Garvin then brought in his real life wife Precious. One of the first big catfights in wrestling.
When Garvin moved to the NWA/JCP, had some brutal strap matches with Wahoo McDaniel. After being turned babyface and siding with his "brother" Ronnie Garvin (actually his step father!), had the fun angle with Flair when Flair was hitting on Precious. Heck, wasn't Garvin the catalyst for the first Triple Cage Tower of Doom??
I'm sure there is tons more about Garvin, but don't want to bore everyone.
I think in fairness about Andre. Back before he was a WWF mainstay, he was used as a special attraction and not one to win any titles. He was usually brought in to different territories to battle the top heel or team up with the babyface at the time in his battle with the main heel stable.
If you count Tom's sets, the LOW Bootlegs, Mark T's, thats a pretty good roster. I use them all and have a few territories set up. I can use Andre much like the LWF Champ. Travel to various territories. So in fairness to the LOW Bootleg guys, it wasn't Andre's job to lose at that time (probably the only wrestler at the time who wasn't asked to lose), thus his card should reflect that.
If you want to hear an uproar about Andre losing even by countout, read Jerry Lawler's book where there is a fantastic story when Lawler "beat" Andre and was called out by Vince Sr. A fantastic and fun story!!!!!
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Post by Shon Maxx on Apr 4, 2006 17:35:33 GMT -5
Cory,
Here's a request if anyone you have fits in:
For my storyline, I was hoping for a wrestler who wasn't very big, and who wasn't a high flyer, but who could still cause some damage to an opponent. Any region, country, or time works for me.
Mostly I was looking for someone similar to Ahnu.
Thanks and take care,
Jay
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Post by hawk on Apr 15, 2006 16:52:13 GMT -5
Personally, I think this Hogan is pretty much perfect. Any stronger, and I think he'd be darn near unbeatable.
My friend RK, and myself are running a huge tournament using bootlegs from VM, LOWBootlegs, my own guys, and Knapik's that we'll eventually post when we finish it...Hogan killed Kimala dead in three moves.
Kimala went for running body smash, failed
Atomic Drop - down
Legdrop of DOOOOOM - dead.
If there's one card I disagree with, it's Bret. Very few people escaped the Sharpshooter, so I think it should be a +3.
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Post by gwffantrav on Apr 15, 2006 19:23:39 GMT -5
Cory and myself had a converstion about the Hogan card..how good his card really is. Out of 18 potential Offensive moves, the guy has a - 3 on 9 of them!!! Half of his moves can cause major damage!!!
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Post by ringking on Apr 17, 2006 1:35:27 GMT -5
Honestly Sharpshooter was as brutal as the legdrop so I would give it +4
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Post by canadianpittbull on Apr 19, 2006 17:29:12 GMT -5
Nah, I wouldn't give it a +4. +3 is just fine as some were able to crawl there way to the ropes at times. Also I think my suggestion would be to replace the figure four around post with his superplex and then make the Figure Four around the post something similar to Hacksaw Jim Duggan's card. That maybe if a match ends in a feud that Bret rolls on a little chart that would either have this move strapped on causing an injury and a feud or makes you roll on the normal feud table. Just some ideas.
I do have to say that I enjoy the Andre card and put him in a match against Bruno Sammartino and wouldn't ya know it but Bruno beat him both times!!! Could not believe it!
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Post by Cory Olson on Apr 19, 2006 17:58:07 GMT -5
Pitbull, Glad to hear that Andre can indeed lose. When I playtested him, he did lose at times, especially to powerhouses like Bruno. With the Filsinger Games system, it's pretty much impossible for someone (even as stacked as Andre) to never get pinned. |
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Post by stephenvegas on Apr 19, 2006 19:02:20 GMT -5
Cory,
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing these bootlegs. I just introduced Kamala and Abdullah the Butcher into my bootleg fed earlier this week and I have really enjoyed using them.!
In my Legends fed (Major League Wrestling) that I post on the LOW fed forum, Bruno Sammartino is my owner and General Manager and I use your card for Bruno in case I ever come up with an angle in which Bruno (who I say in my fed is a retired wrestling superstar but still considered to be in the latter part of his prime) ever decides to return to the ring for whatever reason.
Also, I am a new subscriber to the Promoter and I was wondering, do you know whether there will be any information about Legends Teams in the Promoter edition coming out in early May?
Thanks again!
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