RAZE

[wildman]

Am I the only one to notice that on Razes' card on level 2 offense he has a camel clutch and the Anger Management? Isnt Anger Management also a camel clutch? The CPC booklet for 2112 describes it as"a crippling camel clutch-type manuever." Why does he need 2 similar moves?

[incognito]

Why did Chas need 3 Bow of defeats? Maybe Raze really likes the move so he performs different forms of it?

[wildman]

Chaos had 3 Bow of Defeats because he perfected it as FINISHER, not a set up hold. You dont see Scott Steiner doing 2 camel clutches

[GalactiKing]

If they're not exactly the same,w hy not?

[j]

it's kinda like Mil Mascaras' card with 2 versions of the Standing Surfboard and Harley Race's 2 swinging necbreaker's. Just different versions of the move.

a "crippling camel clutch type manuever" is not exactly a camel clutch.

[wildman]

I understand what all of you are saying but, I like a wrestler to have a wide range of moves.

[j]

I do agree with that, I get tied of Harley Race always doing a swinging neckbreaker.

[wildman]

I mean, in pro wrestling, how often does a guy do the same move over and over( unless its a finisher)? not often

[Mike M]

Actually, there's been a rash of guys who've done the three German suplex routine or three verticle suplexes. (see Benoit, Angle, Guerrero, etc)

[Darth Turkish]

If it is okay for a guy to use multiple punches, forearm bashes or clotheslines, why not neckbreakers or piledrivers or knee locks?

[Trent Lawless]

I've been reading these posts with a smile on my face, but it's time to break my silence. Here's the real reason why Raze has those two moves on his card...

I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION!

Just like Tom's infamous Guardsman "bite to forehead," this one just kinda got by me. To be fair, though, in 2112 when I came up with Anger Management, I envisioned it as being sort of a camel clutch/surfboard combo (I can't really describe it better than that), but after several sets I had forgotten what the move actually was and never double checked before the cards went to the printer. So chalk it up to the Hall of Semi-Humorous COTG Blunders and we'll leave it at that.

Besides, the CPC gods aren't finished with Raze yet...

[tystates]

This game is about your imagination. Even with all different moves on a card, long matches see the same moved rolled over and over. Just picture a different L2 move, a different L3 move, etc.

[incognito]

I guess Mark explained it. I agree that with only 18 slots for offensive moves your going to see the same moves over and over again in many matches, so having slight variations and repeats of the same move that adds nothing to the Charater would hurt the playability of the card. That being said if you think Anger Managents Camel Clutch/Surfboard (Camelboard?) (Surf Clutch?) is too close to a camel clutch change it. As for wrestlers that use variations of the same move as set up holds the only two that come straight to mind are Taz who used a varaity of suplexes to set up his Katahajimi Tazmission finisher. And Mike Awsome who used numerous versions of the powerbomb as both set up and finishers.