Finishers Question

[starwolf013]

I am sure this has probably been covered in the past, but...


When you roll a Tag finisher in a singles match, what should you do?

Do you re-roll or treat it as a down-3 or an add1 down-3?

If you reroll does this mean that there are some guys with no finishers? (Thetis and Vortex come to mind).

[johnnyreb]

if the wrestler has a singles finisher.i use that otherwise just re-roll.

[Wildfire]

I think the official rule is to re-roll, unless the card says otherwise.

Personally, I HATE re-rolling, so I generally use the move at a reduced strength that logically makes sense. For example, for Badger's ANDROMEDA DROP, I'd give him a MISSILE DROPKICK at a 0, rather than the +3.

Lvl 2 tag moves I either take off the add 1, or drop it to a 2, instead of a three.

[offspring515]

I go by the book, rerolling. I try not to book those type of guys (Antak, US Male (2119)) in singles.

[Wildfire]

Yeah, guys that are clear tag specialist will rarely fight singles for me too... Badger is kinda the exception... or maybe Star Warrior in EC.

[Werner Mueck]

I usually reroll but I get tired of it too. I'm going to try it the way Wildfire does next time I play. I'll have tag team guys fight in singles matches. If his push is low and he sucks at singles then he'll be used as a jobber, if I'm pushing his team and he sucks at singles he stays with his teammate.

[wildcat]

Right, wrong or indifferent my house rule is it's a finisher ( 0 ). Usually tag moves are two combined moves, so why can't that guy just use his half of the move. I know it's not right by the book but that's just something I always thought and done.

[Knapik]

In order not to give them double finishers (making the tag specialist a strong singles guy too), one could replace, for instance, US Male's PATRIOT MISSLE (0) with another - 3 move and move the MISSLE down to the 6. slot. Just an idea.

[tystates]

I used to always give them a 0 finisher. But if you think about it that makes that tag specialist a better singles wrestler than they are meant to be. Even if they have a singles finisher on a roll of five, then you are giving them two finishers in singles. So I've gone to back to rerolling if a tag finisher is rolled.

[uwamandate]

I agree with tystates: Using a 0 finisher for a tag move gives them an advantage. I'll just reroll or better yet...those guys very rarely ever see a singles match. I guess I see those wrestlers wanting to do just tag matches anyway...why would I put them in a singles match? I wouldn't ask the receptionist in the hospital to give an enema...You know what I mean?!

[Knapik]

uwamandate said:

I agree with tystates: Using a 0 finisher for a tag move gives them an advantage. I'll just reroll or better yet...those guys very rarely ever see a singles match. I guess I see those wrestlers wanting to do just tag matches anyway...why would I put them in a singles match? I wouldn't ask the receptionist in the hospital to give an enema...You know what I mean?!

Well in my feds, the tag guys all wrestle singles occassionally too. However, I don't think the extra finisher is a good idea because tag specialists should have to 'beat the odds' to climb the singles ranks.

[stephenvegas]

Especially when a tag wrestler also has a singles finisher on their L3O, I play by the rules and reroll because it really makes the most sense as opposed to giving the tag wrestler two finishers in a singles match in which he's typically not as proficient.

But since it's not unusual for tag wrestlers to wrestle in singles matches, for example Domino wrestled Batista last night on Smackdown in a singles match, I see where you could use a house rule to lower the force of a tag finisher in a singles match when that tag wrestler doesn't also have a singles finisher or doesn't have an asterisk next to his tag finisher that automatically changes the finisher in a singles match (for instance DOOMSDAY DEVICE officially changes to FLYING CLOTHESLINE for Hawk in LOW singles matches because Hawk doesn't have a singles finisher and the VEG-O-MATIC officially changes into the ALABAMA JAM for Bobby Eaton for the same reason whenever you roll 6 on their L3Os).

[wildcat]

So I'm in the minority here, what's new? Very seldom have tag wrestlers in singles matches but hey to each his own. It's your fed promoter.

[Wildfire]

Its pretty rare for a guy to have a singles and a tag finisher.. what's that, maybe 5 guys?

I'm not including guys like Antak or Blacklash who have moves that are specifically noted as 'Singles' or 'tag'.. I sub a '3' move for them, to prevent massive re-rolling (especially for Antak)...

That's one thing most bootleggers do that I'd like to see on official cards... an "Official" alternative.

Badger I always let have the two finishers... I felt let A) there's no reason he would still do the move, it just wouldn't be as potent with his partner helping and B) He's cool, so I was OK with him being decent in singles

Knapik's idea is actually really good, but a little more complex than I personally like...that's the sorta thing I'd forget about and mess up mid match.

[wildman]

I usually play it that they do THEIR half of the tag finisher at a (0) rating

[bigeasy]

If they have a singles finisher, re-roll. They already have better odds (20% - 16.6%) than a singles wrestler with 1 finisher on their card. Why make that 33%? If they don't have a singles finisher, substitute in them laying down and getting pinned, because they weren't meant to be a very good singles wrestler anyway.

[incognito]

You can always change it to a level 3 move and roll on the opponents level 3 defense.

[MikeMcKinney]

"It's your fed promoter"