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Post by PureHatred on Aug 9, 2007 1:18:59 GMT -5
IIRC, in the old timey territorial days the clothesline was sometimes referred to as a lariat, slingshot, or necktie.
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Post by LWPD on Aug 9, 2007 3:06:27 GMT -5
Yeah it is. I renamed it the Peacemaker Lariat, though.  Sweet Peacemaker Lariat. Very nice. Like it. LWPD good call on Mutant, Deathknight and Khan. They were the jobbers. Can't wait to see what Knapik has in store I always had a special place in my heart for GK...the other two not so much. Other challenging 'stars' from a few sets down that I'd love to see Knapik take up...
Creeper
Man Mountain
Trainer Jim (a must)
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Post by jefft on Aug 9, 2007 7:13:55 GMT -5
This is such a cool idea.
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Post by Chad Olson on Aug 9, 2007 8:31:45 GMT -5
This is a very interesting discussion. I've enjoyed looking at your takes on some historic GWF figures, Knapik. I remember getting the new editions where some of the concepts & mechanics you're using came into play. I often marveled at how Tom had added something simple to the game that really added realism to it. The second edition brought in tag finishers and DQ finishers, and Vengeance's Add 1 Eye Cleaver was huge at the time. This effort to add some of those mechanics to some classic stars to "modernize" them is a cool concept. My only disagreement, leave Sam's Atomic Drop alone! An atomic drop that sends you flying face first into the buckle was pretty cool, in my opinion. Since others have been giving out their wish lists, I think a Splatter revision with some sort of Add 1 move would be in order. And maybe give Reynard B. Guile some sort of tag or interference mechanic from Bounty Hunter, similar to Cordanus & Mensar, or some of the LOW managers we've done (cheap plug). I'm not saying these are better than the originals, but it's always cool to see the creativity and twists folks can come up with. |
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Post by senshinotengoku on Aug 9, 2007 9:41:57 GMT -5
Knapik: I have what could be considered a stupid question...hehe....first off, I love the idea, so don't get me wrong when I ask this....Have you talked to Tom about this....because if you redo his cards and post them, what's to stop somebody who is interested in the game, but hasn't ordered the original to just take what you post for free? Maybe this issue has already been taken care of and I am just being paranoid... ;D
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Post by jefft on Aug 9, 2007 10:06:45 GMT -5
Knapik: I have what could be considered a stupid question...hehe....first off, I love the idea, so don't get me wrong when I ask this....Have you talked to Tom about this....because if you redo his cards and post them, what's to stop somebody who is interested in the game, but hasn't ordered the original to just take what you post for free? Maybe this issue has already been taken care of and I am just being paranoid... ;D Although they've been altered, there is enough of the card there you might actually have a point. |
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Post by Knapik on Aug 9, 2007 10:09:46 GMT -5
Knapik: I have what could be considered a stupid question...hehe....first off, I love the idea, so don't get me wrong when I ask this....Have you talked to Tom about this....because if you redo his cards and post them, what's to stop somebody who is interested in the game, but hasn't ordered the original to just take what you post for free? Maybe this issue has already been taken care of and I am just being paranoid... ;D I think you're just being paranoid, but I am too... which is why I haven't posted the rest of the guys yet. I don't know what to do about it. Logically, I doubt anyone is going to use them in place of Tom's work. Second, I think most people interested also have the older sets already. It's not as if I'm doing EVERY set also. I was considering finishing and proposing an idea to Tom about re-releasing the original set... but I doubt he'd be into that since he and I haven't ever really spoke. Aside from the mystery tiger, what do you guys think I should do? |
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Post by caseyjonespitbull on Aug 9, 2007 10:36:34 GMT -5
Knapik: I have what could be considered a stupid question...hehe....first off, I love the idea, so don't get me wrong when I ask this....Have you talked to Tom about this....because if you redo his cards and post them, what's to stop somebody who is interested in the game, but hasn't ordered the original to just take what you post for free? Maybe this issue has already been taken care of and I am just being paranoid... ;D I was considering finishing and proposing an idea to Tom about re-releasing the original set... I was under the impression this was the working plan to begin with. This is 100% the direction you want and need to go. Anything else breaks TM laws, even if you offer the cards for free to your friends, which I'm sure you are well aware of. With that said, you are doing a great job and I am sure Tom would be open to any ideas involving anything than can help the game grow. |
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Post by BDS on Aug 9, 2007 10:52:26 GMT -5
Aside from the mystery tiger, what do you guys think I should do? I would definitely talk to Tom before you release anything else if you haven't already. Any legalities aside (what with my occupation being "web dork" and not "lawyer"), it's just the right thing to do here, |
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Post by Wildfire on Aug 9, 2007 11:10:36 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about that, but yeah, since these guys are really close to the originals, it definately would warrant some permission before you go crazy.
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Post by senshinotengoku on Aug 9, 2007 11:37:44 GMT -5
Sorry to say anything about it, as I do not want to ruin a good idea, because I actually love the idea, I was just, I don't know, playing devil's advocate.
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Post by Knapik on Aug 9, 2007 12:04:08 GMT -5
Sorry to say anything about it, as I do not want to ruin a good idea, because I actually love the idea, I was just, I don't know, playing devil's advocate. You're fine, mystery tiger. |
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Post by GalactiKing on Aug 9, 2007 12:17:01 GMT -5
Hard to say...but I will put it this way....Tom really needs to redo the early sets if just to update the moves and make the cards fit the rules better.
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Post by jefft on Aug 9, 2007 12:25:36 GMT -5
Hard to say...but I will put it this way....Tom really needs to redo the early sets if just to update the moves and make the cards fit the rules better. Seconded. It would actually be easy to put it into COTGOnline. Maybe we need a poll on this? I would love the art updated too...but I know that would be harder considering you have to pay for the new art (DARYL BANKS!!! HINT, HINT, HINT!!). Not to mention there seem to be alot of Chuck Carter worshipers out there.  |
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Post by PureHatred on Aug 9, 2007 12:35:54 GMT -5
Not to mention there seem to be alot of Chuck Carter worshipers out there. To be fair, this was the first edition and in many ways the characters were basically wrestling archetypes. I obviously like the idea of re-releasing the cards and touching up the rules and move sets (especially the move sets!) but for the initial release the rules needed to be simple and Carter's work was EXACTLY what was needed. |
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Post by jefft on Aug 9, 2007 13:01:50 GMT -5
Not to mention there seem to be alot of Chuck Carter worshipers out there. To be fair, this was the first edition and in many ways the characters were basically wrestling archetypes. I obviously like the idea of re-releasing the cards and touching up the rules and move sets (especially the move sets!) but for the initial release the rules needed to be simple and Carter's work was EXACTLY what was needed. Carter was probably exactly what Tom needed cuz, being the crappy artist that he was, he was probably cheap. Other than that simple doesn't have to mean crappy. Banks or Carter - it's all standard pencilling. One's not simpler than the other. I'm comfortable with being in the minority though.  |
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Post by senshinotengoku on Aug 9, 2007 13:14:22 GMT -5
Now I am not going to start saying one artist is better than another or anything like that, especially not say ANY artist is crappy (considering I personally have a hard time drawing a straight line in a stick figure), but I will say I like the way Chuck did the originals....I would also like to see how Darryl would "see" the originals.
Hmm...I sure took a stand there, didn't I?
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Post by mft on Aug 9, 2007 13:34:54 GMT -5
IIRC, in the old timey territorial days the clothesline was sometimes referred to as a lariat, slingshot, or necktie. Thanks PH, I've never heard of it referred to that. |
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Post by Knapik on Aug 9, 2007 13:36:04 GMT -5
Chuck's art was great, but I would love to see Banks' art with the new stats.
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Post by jefft on Aug 9, 2007 13:39:52 GMT -5
Now I am not going to start saying one artist is better than another or anything like that, especially not say ANY artist is crappy (considering I personally have a hard time drawing a straight line in a stick figure), but I will say I like the way Chuck did the originals....I would also like to see how Darryl would "see" the originals. Hmm...I sure took a stand there, didn't I? Crappy compared to other artists (in my opinion)...he's awesome compared to me...I can't draw to save my life. Werner seems to have a somewhat similar 'style' to Carter...but Werner is 10 times better. Heck, let's get Werner to redo the art...just the Carter years even. That'd be great to see. Somebody get on that right now! |
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