GWF 2087 redux

[dukedave]

deadlikeme said:

dukedave said:

I'm sure he knows who I am too. He's just got some identity crisis. Are people trying to get you thru your computer so you need to live in secrecy.

It really is too bad since most of the opinions you've posted I do agree with, Casey.

You know why the hell are you throwing jabs at me?? I changed my name to Caedus which is the name I use on the Duece. My sig and everything else is the same. So no CJPB is not Dead Like Me.

This is the last I'll say about it here. If you wish to discuss it further please start a thread and I'll be more than happy to discuss it there, I don't want to detract further from Knapik's thread.

You were the first one to take shots at Wildfire, H61, etc. While I take more shots at those guys than anyone on this board, with Swarm gone, they know who it's coming from. The you lie on the board about having no clue who Rob or CPB is.

We welcome people back to the board all the time but I don't understand the necessity to hide your identity and then lie for no real reason.

It did also appear like a blatant attempt to act like Swarm by ripping on those guys as well as posting on Bonds.

Like I said your views on most subjects I agree on but not sure why the need for the secrecy.


EDIT: I got the impression that Caedus was casey. Not the case, Caedus is Dead Like Me. Caedus, obviously this post is not directed to you. Please, everyone, continue with your normal discussion.

[deadlikeme]

On topic here I could see changing the Originals' movesets a bit so that they have a wider array of moves, but IMO they should have the same stats.

[Knapik]

deadlikeme said:

On topic here I could see changing the Originals' movesets a bit so that they have a wider array of moves, but IMO they should have the same stats.

Well the stats are only changing slightly and only in SOME circumstances. Most of the changes are moves... so not everyone will have an atomic drop, 'skullcrusher', 'slingshot', etc.

[johnnyreb]

knapik said:

caseyjonespitbull said:

I do not think Commander Sam needs a new finisher. That move was passed on to US Patriot (I believe) at some point and has appeared on more than one card for sure. Altering this type of thing is exactly what I'm talking about when I express my concern for re-writing or changing history maybe a tad too much.

Well you're welcome to your concern, dude. Every is welcome to their own opinion, and that's cool.

However, an atomic drop into the turnbuckle is kind of goofy, and I don't think it should be his finisher. I made it an 'add - 1' move and want to come up with another +1 finisher. That way the move can still be passed on to US Patriot (called Adam's Atomic Drop I believe) and all is good. I just think a bada** character like Sam deserves a STRONG finisher.

knapik why not call sams new finisher rockets red glare ?

[Knapik]

Neil... that's a fantastic idea, buddy.

edit; Do Stars & Stripes use a move called Rocket's Red Glare? I don't have those cards with me.

[caseyjonespitbull]

knapik said:

caseyjonespitbull said:

I do not think Commander Sam needs a new finisher. That move was passed on to US Patriot (I believe) at some point and has appeared on more than one card for sure. Altering this type of thing is exactly what I'm talking about when I express my concern for re-writing or changing history maybe a tad too much.

Well you're welcome to your concern, dude. Every is welcome to their own opinion, and that's cool.

However, an atomic drop into the turnbuckle is kind of goofy, and I don't think it should be his finisher. I made it an 'add - 1' move and want to come up with another +1 finisher. That way the move can still be passed on to US Patriot (called Adam's Atomic Drop I believe) and all is good. I just think a bada** character like Sam deserves a STRONG finisher.

I think it should be up to Tom. I agree with you that it's not the coolest finisher ever though. Since you are apparently looking for help I will say that I think a sleeper hold coupled with Sam barking in the opponents ear as he falls asleep would be cool. You could call it FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

PATRIOT ACT is the other thing that popped in my head.

[caseyjonespitbull]

knapik said:

Neil... that's a fantastic idea, buddy.

edit; Do Stars & Stripes use a move called Rocket's Red Glare? I don't have those cards with me.

Yes. So does US Male in 2122.

[Knapik]

I'm not saying "Hey I can do better than Tom!" or saying these should replace anything. This is just my take on the old school guys we love so much and also a chance to bring the old cards up the new, high standard.

I like both of those names, dude!

[caseyjonespitbull]

knapik said:

I'm not saying "Hey I can do better than Tom!" or saying these should replace anything. This is just my take on the old school guys we love so much and also a chance to bring the old cards up the new, high standard.

I like both of those names, dude!

Totally understood.

Feel free to PM me if you like if you would like to discuss any other names for moves outside of here (in case you want to keep some stuff under wraps).I admire your enthusiasm and efforts with the game. You are doing a great job.

[Knapik]

Thanks, I'll be sure to do that as I go along! You've been a big help so far.

edit: For anyone trying to get on LOWcreations that is already not a membet, I require authorization to keep spammers away. However, I'll be at my computer and will almost instantly approve you if you go on! Sorry for any incoveniance.

[Wildfire]

knapik said:

Neil... that's a fantastic idea, buddy.

edit; Do Stars & Stripes use a move called Rocket's Red Glare? I don't have those cards with me.

They do, its a tag move on US Male's card.

You could go back to the Star Spangled Banner as the finisher, if you don't like the Atomic Drop.

I definately think "Sam's Atomic Drop" should be on the card still though,, since naming his own holds is part of his original bio.

[Knapik]

wildfire said:

knapik said:

Neil... that's a fantastic idea, buddy.

edit; Do Stars & Stripes use a move called Rocket's Red Glare? I don't have those cards with me.

They do, its a tag move on US Male's card.

You could go back to the Star Spangled Banner as the finisher, if you don't like the Atomic Drop.

I definately think "Sam's Atomic Drop" should be on the card still though,, since naming his own holds is part of his original bio.

I have Sam's Atomic Drop, Sam's Slam, Freedom of Speech, and PATRIOT ACT as his finisher.

[Wildfire]

Quick idea on the Space Croppers... you night want to change the down-3 on Beast Rider's lvl 2 Def to a hurt, like you did for Vanity, to keep them similar.

Also, I might make the Cropper Concussion on Renegade's card an Add 1, just to differentiate it from his single's move.

Great job on this... defiantely a fun idea!

[Wildfire]

knapik said:

wildfire said:

They do, its a tag move on US Male's card.

You could go back to the Star Spangled Banner as the finisher, if you don't like the Atomic Drop.

I definately think "Sam's Atomic Drop" should be on the card still though,, since naming his own holds is part of his original bio.

I have Sam's Atomic Drop, Sam's Slam, Freedom of Speech, and PATRIOT ACT as his finisher.

So what's the move? I always thought he should have a Cobra Clutch type finisher

[Knapik]

wildfire said:

knapik said:

I have Sam's Atomic Drop, Sam's Slam, Freedom of Speech, and PATRIOT ACT as his finisher.

So what's the move? I always thought he should have a Cobra Clutch type finisher

Well Freedom of Speech is a sleeperhold while Sam barks stuff at his opponent. The Patriot Act? How about a cobra clutch suplex? That would be pretty brutal and I don't think out of place!

[caseyjonespitbull]

wildfire said:

knapik said:

I have Sam's Atomic Drop, Sam's Slam, Freedom of Speech, and PATRIOT ACT as his finisher.

So what's the move? I always thought he should have a Cobra Clutch type finisher

Could be anything. I meant to put stunner but that works too.

[Wildfire]

knapik said:

wildfire said:

So what's the move? I always thought he should have a Cobra Clutch type finisher

Well Freedom of Speech is a sleeperhold while Sam barks stuff at his opponent. The Patriot Act? How about a cobra clutch suplex? That would be pretty brutal and I don't think out of place!

I like it!

This may fall into the category of (too many mechanics) but it might be neat to give the finisher an extra +1 if it follows directly after Freedom of Speech (BDS did this on his Madrak bootleg)

[Knapik]

Yeah that's a cool idea! I made Omega's Cosmic War Dance right above his Tomahawk Thrust, and there's a roll for the Thrust to potentially happen at the end of the War Dance. Made sense to me. I like your idea, and when I'm done with everything I'll make sure that I don't have too much going on and think about it. Thanks for all of your ideas, Wildfire!

[Holland227]

Just checked out the cards. Fantastic
WOndering about Vanity. Being a dirty cheater heel, would he get an upgrade on ring to show his ability to roll to the floor and try to take advantage that way. Maybe a B on ring. Other than that Sweet cards. Will be using them

[Knapik]

holland227 said:

Just checked out the cards. Fantastic
WOndering about Vanity. Being a dirty cheater heel, would he get an upgrade on ring to show his ability to roll to the floor and try to take advantage that way. Maybe a B on ring. Other than that Sweet cards. Will be using them

Well I was thinking Vanity is the kind of guy that would get the crap beat out of him in a real fight. So I think if the fight goes to the outside, he'll play the cowardly bit and/or get his butt handed to him. I don't want to change him up too much, ya know?

Thanks for your compliments!