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Post by jefft on Jun 18, 2007 18:04:09 GMT -5
Heh...forgot about Mr. T.
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Post by gatekeeper on Jun 18, 2007 18:06:33 GMT -5
Ric Flair Co-main evented WM 8 vs. Savage.
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Post by BDS on Jun 18, 2007 18:08:10 GMT -5
Ric Flair Co-main evented WM 8 vs. Savage. I thought that match was in the middle of the show ... Hogan vs. Sid was the main there, wasn't it? EDIT: Duh ... I need to read the full quote. Still, "co-main" is just slang for "title match in the middle of the show without Hogan." ;D |
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Post by jefft on Jun 18, 2007 18:17:08 GMT -5
Oh, are we counting the second billing main event behind Hogan-Sid?
Whew...good thing or Flair's career might have meant nothing.
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Post by jefft on Jun 18, 2007 18:21:11 GMT -5
Poor Ricky Steamboat.
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Post by WRAITH on Jun 18, 2007 19:12:00 GMT -5
I don't think you can consider main eventing Wrestlemania better than anyone ... I understand your point but who's to say the main event at Wrestlemania is always the best match or even the best wrestler at that time? Look at Wrestlemania 3. Savage-Steamboat is EASILY the best match of the card, the main event was ok. Neither best mans match, they were just liked.
I think the best comparison is the Oscars. In 1941 How Green Was My Valley won best picture. But this other movie released in the same year, Citizen Kane is regarded the greatest movie of all time. Just because you won best picture doesn't mean anything. Look how many famous movies haven't won best picture, the movies that did win had more exposure or well ... cheated lol. LT vs Bigelow was horrible and should have been the first match of that Wrestlemania. The main event isn't always what it should be, most of the time it's a popularity contest on who Vince likes best and not the best two wrestlers in the company at the time (example see Wrestlemania 13)
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Post by gatekeeper on Jun 18, 2007 22:16:07 GMT -5
I don't think you can consider main eventing Wrestlemania better than anyone ... I understand your point but who's to say the main event at Wrestlemania is always the best match or even the best wrestler at that time? Look at Wrestlemania 3. Savage-Steamboat is EASILY the best match of the card, the main event was ok. Neither best mans match, they were just liked. Is that why people in the business refer to Hogan - Andre as the biggest match of all time? I've heard Piper, Dusty, P.S. Hayes, J.R. and many other others say that was the biggest match of all time. 93,000 people here in Detroit bought tickets to see Hogan - Andre. Sure Steamboat - Savage is one of the all time classics but that's not why people put their money down for the tix. It's not that hard of a concept really. Jim Ross has said that if you main event WM, you have something in your resume that makes you special. Why can't people just accept that? It's getting annoying. |
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Post by swarm on Jun 18, 2007 22:34:52 GMT -5
By that logic, all of the following people are better than Ric Flair: Hulk Hogan Mr. T Roddy Piper Paul Orndorff King Kong Bundy Andre the Giant Randy Savage Ted DiBiase The Ultimate Warrior Sgt. Slaughter Sid Justice Yokozuna Bret Hart Lawrence Taylor Bam Bam Bigelow Shawn Michaels The Undertaker Steve Austin The Rock Triple H The Big Show Mick Foley Chris Jericho Brock Lesnar Kurt Angle Chris Benoit Batista John Cena I think I threw up in my mouth when I got to Sid. Ric Flair Co-Main Evented WM when he lost to Savage. So no, all these guys are not better than Flair. But they are better than Sting. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Jun 18, 2007 22:38:53 GMT -5
Ric Flair Co-main evented WM 8 vs. Savage. I thought that match was in the middle of the show ... Hogan vs. Sid was the main there, wasn't it? EDIT: Duh ... I need to read the full quote. Still, "co-main" is just slang for "title match in the middle of the show without Hogan." ;D No, co-main event is slang for co-main event. And you don't book main events back to back. |
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Post by WRAITH on Jun 18, 2007 22:41:55 GMT -5
Do u think people paid all that money to see LT-Bam Bam Bigelow?
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Post by swarm on Jun 18, 2007 22:46:40 GMT -5
Do u think people paid all that money to see LT-Bam Bam Bigelow? Yes. Of course. It was the Main Event. I didn't see anyone leave when the match started and I saw them all cheering when it was over. So yes. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Jun 18, 2007 22:47:13 GMT -5
Do u think people paid all that money to see LT-Bam Bam Bigelow? Yes, just like when people paid to see Mr. T I know Swarm and Payback can never be right about ANYTHING so whatever. Clearly Sting is the best wrestler of all time since he's never wrestled for the best wrestling company and is a former TNA Champ. |
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Post by swarm on Jun 18, 2007 22:50:28 GMT -5
It's true. "Better" is subjective. But if you want to talk facts...undistupitable facts...the fact is the Main Event of Wrestlemania is the best spot on the best card of the best fed on the planet. So making it there beats the crap out of all else.
Sting may have been good, but based on facts, and only facts, Mr. T made it farther in wrestling than Sting.
That's a fact.
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Post by gatekeeper on Jun 18, 2007 22:51:10 GMT -5
It's true. "Better" is subjective. But if you want to talk facts...undistupitable facts...the fact is the Main Event of Wrestlemania is the best spot on the best card of the best fed on the planet. So making it there beats the crap out of all else. Sting may have been good, but based on facts, and only facts, Mr. T made it farther in wrestling than Sting. That's a fact. So did Lawrence Taylor. LT > Sting |
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Post by swarm on Jun 18, 2007 22:52:12 GMT -5
Ok I just simulated a 100 match series between Sting and Mr. T and Mr. T won 64 falls to 36 falls.
So there you go.
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Post by gatekeeper on Jun 18, 2007 22:53:42 GMT -5
That settles it.
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Post by WRAITH on Jun 18, 2007 23:24:39 GMT -5
Lol
Actually this was kind of fun. I think to say the least this is a very interesting debate. Everyone is going to have their points, but in the end everyone will have their own opinions. No one really is right or wrong.
We can even get on a debate on whats the better event Royal Rumble or Wrestlemania. If given the choice I would rather win the Rumble then main event Wrestlemania (But I am not going to stop this post with this line because Swarm would be the first to respond that HBK won not one but two Rumbles and even entered at one. Though the one he won from #1 was the shortest Rumble ever). It's really all a matter or perception really.
Look at Michigan football what ten years ago ... the coach thought Drew Henson was better and started him over some guy named Tom Brady. Does that mean Drew Henson is better? Does the fact academy members said Annie Hall was best picture in 1977 make it better then Star Wars? You can't say a Wrestlemania main eventer is better then Sting, because Sting was never at a Wrestlemania. If for some reason he had gone to WWF, what's to say he wouldn't have main evented Wrestlemania? Just because he didn't doesn't mean he's not as good as HBK.
If Dante just dominates the CPC, and shatters every record known to man but never goes to the GWF ... Mandrill vs Max Shield and Shield gets beaten at Galactamania the biggest event in all of wrestling in the future, is Shield better then Dante?
Would you consider Lawrence Taylor or Mr T better or having accomplished more then say Curt Henning? Ted Dibiase? Goldberg? Arn Anderson? Dusty Rhodes? Bruno Sammartino? Bob Backlund?
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Post by dukedave on Jun 19, 2007 1:26:52 GMT -5
Too bad I missed out on most of the fun I started. It appears that the Anti-Detroit posse must be in full effect since anything The D agrees with must be evil and thusly voted against.
I'd move to the D if I didn't hate the Tigers, Lions, Pistons and Red Wings and not want to get shot.
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Post by jefft on Jun 19, 2007 6:20:13 GMT -5
Do u think people paid all that money to see LT-Bam Bam Bigelow? Yes, just like when people paid to see Mr. T I know Swarm and Payback can never be right about ANYTHING so whatever. Clearly Sting is the best wrestler of all time since he's never wrestled for the best wrestling company and is a former TNA Champ. - I didn't say Swarm and Payback can never be right about anything. - Nobody said Sting is the best all-time. However, you guys think Sgt. Slaughter, LT, Mr. T, etc. are better than Sting, Ricky Steamboat, the Road Warriors, the Steiner Brothers, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Jones, and Arn Anderson, then don't whine when you're laughed at. Yet that's all beside the point. Since I can't believe you're stupid enough to think LT is a better wrestler  , then it's totally obvious you're saying things to 'tweak' people. It's kinda childish to me, cuz I like to debate people straight up. Resorting to that stuff just tells people I have no real argument. |
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Post by jefft on Jun 19, 2007 6:27:56 GMT -5
Too bad I missed out on most of the fun I started. It appears that the Anti-Detroit posse must be in full effect since anything The D agrees with must be evil and thusly voted against. I voted HBK...and anyone with a brain can see that people bring things on themselves. Whining about it seems pretty wussy. |
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, then it's totally obvious you're saying things to 'tweak' people. It's kinda childish to me, cuz I like to debate people straight up. Resorting to that stuff just tells people I have no real argument.