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Post by LWPD on Mar 18, 2006 15:56:52 GMT -5
Fixed! A 'selling point ' is merely a mention when plugging something you are trying to get people to buy. Since the UT WM undefeated streak has been mentioned as a marketing bullet ad nausea each and every year the show rolls around it's a textbook example of a recurring selling point. There's nothing else that requires 'proof'. 'Hurting' existing DVD sales wasn't an issue mentioned anywhere in this thread. Undertaker needs _NEW_ victories to provide the content necessary to market _FUTURE_ DVD's to sell. A win at WM moves _TOWARD_ that direction so that WWE can make _MORE MONEY_ off what is proven to work (marketing Undertaker content). A loss retards and thus 'hurts' that process while accomplishing nothing tangible in return...other than maybe making a few UT haters 'mark out' in some strange way because he will have lost a worked pro wres match.  Vince is a businessman and his ultimate loyalty is to the bottom line. Undertaker is a draw and is being used in a safe and simple formula that has proven effective for years on end. Speculation about 'loyalty' aside maintaining the UT 'Wrestlemania Undefeated Streak' is a solid business decision that's a no brainer both creatively and financially.
Like Watching Paint Dry (I'm expecting 2006 to be a big year for the Dead Man and look forward to what he can do with Mark Henry at this year's show) |
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Post by swarm on Mar 18, 2006 19:19:25 GMT -5
Fixed! A 'selling point ' is merely a mention when plugging something you are trying to get people to buy. Since the UT WM undefeated streak has been mentioned as a marketing bullet ad nausea each and every year the show rolls around it's a textbook example of a recurring selling point. There's nothing else that requires 'proof'. 'Hurting' existing DVD sales wasn't an issue mentioned anywhere in this thread. Undertaker needs _NEW_ victories to provide the content necessary to market _FUTURE_ DVD's to sell. A win at WM moves _TOWARD_ that direction so that WWE can make _MORE MONEY_ off what is proven to work (marketing Undertaker content). A loss retards and thus 'hurts' that process while accomplishing nothing tangible in return...other than maybe making a few UT haters 'mark out' in some strange way because he will have lost a worked pro wres match. Vince is a businessman and his ultimate loyalty is to the bottom line. Undertaker is a draw and is being used in a safe and simple formula that has proven effective for years on end. Speculation about 'loyalty' aside maintaining the UT 'Wrestlemania Undefeated Streak' is a solid business decision that's a no brainer both creatively and financially.
Like Watching Paint Dry (I'm expecting 2006 to be a big year for the Dead Man and look forward to what he can do with Mark Henry at this year's show)1) anybody who changes someone else's sentences then "quotes" it has a God complex. But we already knew that about you. 2) You are saying if Undertaker should ever lose at Wrestlemania both a) Future Wrestlemania's would not draw as good, and b) his DVD would not sell as well. If this isn't the dumbest thing anyone ever posted on this site, it's damn close. 3) If your so brilliant, and know how to run a fed, let's see it. I'm calling you out. I say you are nothing but a ratings and numbers tool, hiding behind his computer with no real amount of creativity in your body. Your lack of understanding wrestling with a passion screams it... so prove me wrong. Where's your fed? |
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Post by canadianpittbull on Mar 18, 2006 22:20:32 GMT -5
I being a Taker fan myself find this match to be a waste of time. Ultimately it is a way to write out the Mark Henry character by "burying" him. I really hate these lumbering big guy matches. I would rather see Taker up against someone who could take him to his limits and make an interesting match.
I just am not looking forward to this match cause I loathe Mark Henry. He doesn't deserve a spot at WM. I mean he hasn't been around for how long and now they decide to use him and he is at WM? Bah! There are many a wrestler that deserve a spot at WM than Henry.
But if this match means the last of him then so be it.
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Post by gatekeeper on Mar 18, 2006 22:26:01 GMT -5
They mention every match and everything about both guys/girls all the time so just because they make mention of it isn't proof.....it isn't, sorry...no matter how you spin it..... the matches are supposed to be the selling point.
You know LWPD, you never concede anything to anyone but never want nobody to dispute anything you say. It's boring.
Here's the thing, I've been watching wrestling for 23 years so it's not like you know anymore about it than anyone else. The only knowledge you have about wrestling is just what everyone else's is, watching on TV and reading the internet.
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Post by butters on Mar 18, 2006 22:40:52 GMT -5
Wow. A lot of personal attacks against LWPD in this thread. Is there a way you guys can take your personal attacks to PM in the future?
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Mar 18, 2006 22:41:22 GMT -5
HBK's does look about as impressive as Undertaker's but Hogan's looks pretty good to me. Bundy, Piper, Andre, Warrior, Rock, Savage, Slaughter, Sid, Money Inc, Yokozuna. Those are all pretty big names in my book. They all pretty much stayed at the top no matter where they went. I'll give you Rock and Savage without debate, and I'll even allow Sid and Warrior to be considered "quality opponents" for their respective times. I don't want to deny the techincal merits of Money Inc, but considering how WM9 went down as a whole, I don't think that match can really count for Hogan (plus it was a tag match anyway). The same goes for Piper at WM1. But as for the rest (Andre twice, Bundy, Yokozuna, and a well-past prime Slaughter), the biggest thing about them is their girth. Hogan has taken on as many lummoxes as UT (if not more), pushed on little more than their size. Of course, Hogan's 80s were a much different time than UT's 90s. |
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Post by LWPD on Mar 19, 2006 9:14:50 GMT -5
Since I made _NEITHER_ of those statements anywhere in anything I posted and it is _YOU_ who (like usual) failed to grasp anything that was written you should reconsider who you are calling dumb. Then again if you had the ability and intellectual discipline to 'reconsider and evaluate' your ideas you'd be in for countless scary revelations.
The irony here is almost as rich as your Brokeback Mountain tag team routine with Gatekeeper. Mindless drivel like 'Undertaker sux and should lose at WM' isn't creativity...it's blatant stupidity. Juvenility and trolling of a pro wres card game message board isn't something to be bragging about...much less is your opinion worth the effort of ever seeking affirmation. You're a low level troll and your so role is to entertain me...like the board Court Jester that you are. No doubt you'll continue to do so with an endless stream of mindless comments and further efforts to amplify them. Your output is more along the lines of 'special ed' and the short bus than anything else. It's at least unintentionally amusing.
I sense you have stumbled upon the proverbial 'broken clock'. What part did you miss about UT's Undefeated Streak being a recurring featured selling point at each years Wrestlemania?
Boring would be focusing on discoursing with a blatant sycophant of a troll who himself is an even weaker troll. Fortunately you aren't the audience my posts are addressed toward. When posting on this board there is life beyond COTG Dumberdome.
Like Watching Paint Dry (the really sad part is these are ideas, concepts and reading comprehension levels of _ADULT_ players of this game)
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Post by swarm on Mar 19, 2006 11:07:51 GMT -5
Since I made _NEITHER_ of those statements anywhere in anything I posted and it is _YOU_ who (like usual) failed to grasp anything that was written you should reconsider who you are calling dumb. Then again if you had the ability and intellectual discipline to 'reconsider and evaluate' your ideas you'd be in for countless scary revelations. The irony here is almost as rich as your Brokeback Mountain tag team routine with Gatekeeper. Mindless drivel like 'Undertaker sux and should lose at WM' isn't creativity...it's blatant stupidity. Juvenility and trolling of a pro wres card game message board isn't something to be bragging about...much less is your opinion worth the effort of ever seeking affirmation. You're a low level troll and your so role is to entertain me...like the board Court Jester that you are. No doubt you'll continue to do so with an endless stream of mindless comments and further efforts to amplify them. Your output is more along the lines of 'special ed' and the short bus than anything else. It's at least unintentionally amusing. I sense you have stumbled upon the proverbial 'broken clock'. What part did you miss about UT's Undefeated Streak being a recurring featured selling point at each years Wrestlemania? Boring would be focusing on discoursing with a blatant sycophant of a troll who himself is an even weaker troll. Fortunately you aren't the audience my posts are addressed toward. When posting on this board there is life beyond COTG Dumberdome.
Like Watching Paint Dry (the really sad part is these are ideas, concepts and reading comprehension levels of _ADULT_ players of this game)yeah I didn't think you had the balls, or the creativity to prove me wrong... Continue to write your dribble... meanwhile, me and my limited reading and writing skills will continue to crank out the most often read thread on this entire board, my fed... EDIT by Chris: WTF did we say about making those kinds of allusions to this --or any other -- poster's identity? |
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Post by gatekeeper on Mar 19, 2006 14:22:20 GMT -5
See, here you do say that UT's DVD make Vince $, but having him lose will flush his $ down the toilet |
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Post by gatekeeper on Mar 19, 2006 14:30:36 GMT -5
It's so mindless, that you obviously read it all the time. Running us down with insults don't really do anything to us but make us laugh I hope you know. What grade are you in? 3rd? 2nd? Just wondering. Thanks for making me laugh. |
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 19, 2006 16:08:17 GMT -5
I agree with LWPD, and I think he's making a whole lot more sense here. Insulting him or calling him boring doesn't strengthen your position guys. Been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt.
Do we really need Henry vs. Undertaker? I guess I don't understand the point of this whole poll. Then again maybe I'm over-analyzing it. I think it would be foolish to assume that just because some of the people on this board aren't Taker fans, that there aren't a lot of Taker fans out there. There are.
While I don't think the Undertaker is a main attraction, he can definitely hold his own in upper midcard. He is one of the last old schoolers who is still active full time. He may not be as over as he once was, but he's still an attraction for WWE.
Look back through WrestleMania history, and you could ask "do we really need this match?" about a lot of the matches. Any match with Greg Valentine comes to mind. Valentine may not have been the type of wrestler you could build a WrestleMania main event around. In fact most of his matches were pretty forgettable. That doesn't mean he wasn't an attraction, if only for the fact that he was a pretty big name which added to the bigness of WrestleMania. If that's true for Valentine, it's certainly true for the Undertaker who's been a top upper midcard talent for almost two decades now.
Vince isn't going to put Taker out to pasture just because a bunch of internet smarks don't want him around anymore. He's a future Hall of Famer and a draw.
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Post by swarm on Mar 19, 2006 16:25:51 GMT -5
I agree with LWPD, and I think he's making a whole lot more sense here. Insulting him or calling him boring doesn't strengthen your position guys. Been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt. this coming from the kid who spent an entire day calling me a retard...do you have the T-shirt for that? |
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Post by traviz on Mar 19, 2006 16:31:19 GMT -5
Yes,we need this match!
I would rather have Mark Henry job to 'Taker @ WrestleMania than someone like Orton,RVD, or Edge. It saves them from being a notch on "the streak".
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 19, 2006 16:34:11 GMT -5
I agree with LWPD, and I think he's making a whole lot more sense here. Insulting him or calling him boring doesn't strengthen your position guys. Been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt. this coming from the kid who spent an entire day calling me a retard...do you have the T-shirt for that? Irrelevant to the topic, but I think it's good you're letting your feelings out like this. I have already readily admitted how childish that was. See my thread in the announcements section if you haven't already. I wish I did have a t-shirt... at least then I would have gotten something out of it.  |
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Post by Chris Ingersoll on Mar 19, 2006 21:35:37 GMT -5
this coming from the kid who spent an entire day calling me a retard...do you have the T-shirt for that? Irrelevant to the topic, but I think it's good you're letting your feelings out like this. I have already readily admitted how childish that was. See my thread in the announcements section if you haven't already. I wish I did have a t-shirt... at least then I would have gotten something out of it. LOL. It sounds like you got something out of it anyway. |
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Post by gatekeeper on Mar 19, 2006 23:24:06 GMT -5
I agree with LWPD, and I think he's making a whole lot more sense here. Insulting him or calling him boring doesn't strengthen your position guys. Been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt.
That's my whole point. All he's doing is insulting Swarm and I, so thanks for agreeing.
While I don't think the Undertaker is a main attraction, he can definitely hold his own in upper midcard. He is one of the last old schoolers who is still active full time.
He's not full time. He showed up on SD a couple of weeks ago. I know that's because he's getting up there in years, but that's our point, too. If you can't hack it full time, don't expect me to get excited when you show up.
Vince isn't going to put Taker out to pasture just because a bunch of internet smarks don't want him around anymore. He's a future Hall of Famer and a draw.
Very true, but then again, he doesn't have him on the card because internet smaks love him either. We know it's about $. Everything is, that's how business works, but this is a place where those of us who don't like it can express their opinions, just like those of you who like him. That's all.
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Post by GrumpyBigBee on Mar 21, 2006 16:35:40 GMT -5
OMG NO!
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Post by gatekeeper on Mar 22, 2006 1:29:19 GMT -5
Huh?  |
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Post by Shon Maxx on Mar 22, 2006 10:19:18 GMT -5
I'm going to skip the debate and go in a different direction. Hypothetically speaking, if the WWE kept Henry around....
I noticed he has a good build, and he can make moves look painful (maybe they really are). We also know he is a legit athlete (yes, weightlifting, but he still had to train and discipline just line everyone else).
My question is this, do you think it'd be possible for someone like Angle, Finley, Benoit, or even UT (who has shown, though moreso in his biker days, that he has amateur experience) to take Henry and teach him to grapple? Imagine the big guy performing takedowns and submissions. Imagine an armdrag takedown from Henry. Imagine him sitting on an opponent's back and locking a crab!
If it could be possible, they could turn him into a true monster and really have an enjoyable match between him and UT. Yes, I know, not everyone is a tech-junkie, but imagine the possibilities;
UT goes for a big boot, but Henry catches his leg and hits a back body drop, landing right on top of him! UT goes for old school, but Henry turns it into a Judo throw-type maneuver.
I think they could do a lot more, but my question remains, do you think Henry could be trainable in that are?
Take care,
Jay
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Post by butters on Mar 22, 2006 12:29:02 GMT -5
Well. Mark Henry had been in the WWF/E for about 10 years now and if he can't learn to grapple in ten years, I'm not sure why anyone would think he could learn in the next couple of weeks.
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