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Post by spiderbite on Jan 30, 2008 12:13:07 GMT -5
I also heard Edwards could be Attorney General under Obama.
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Post by mwjergs on Jan 30, 2008 13:10:22 GMT -5
Interesting.
I'm just feeling at this point that Obama may have the momentum to take the nomination. After next Tuesday the picture should be much clearer. His intangibles should be able to sway some undecided voters and even though experience is an issue his support is growing. Most impressed with his victory in South Carolina.
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Post by Chewey on Jan 30, 2008 14:44:05 GMT -5
Well Edwards dropping out of the election hurts Obama heading into the final week before Super Tuesday. Obama can still do it, but he has a lot of work ahead of him.
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 30, 2008 22:02:27 GMT -5
I really was hoping to be able to cast my ballot for Edwards on Feb 12, anyway, but it was time for him to step out. I agree that this will hurt Obama, but I still think it's a toss-up as to which will get the nomination -- him or Hillary. By next Tuesday we should know some more answers,
In the meantime, I've gotta make up my mind about them...
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Post by Tournament Master on Jan 30, 2008 23:24:38 GMT -5
I'm liking that this is such a close race. As an independent in Jersey I can declare myself for either party on Super Tuesday, so I'm registering Democrat. I can't stand Hillary, and now that Edwards is out its a clear vote for Obama for me.
If its him vs. McCain in the general election, I'll be happy either way it would go. Can't say that about any Presidential election I have been able to vote in.
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Post by Trent Lawless on Jan 31, 2008 4:44:32 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd be happy with a McCain victory in November, but I certainly give him a bigger benefit of the doubt than I gave to W. And I'm just curious, because a lot of people say they don't like Clinton, what is it about her that you don't like? I'm not a Clinton apologist, it's just that a lot of people I know have that reaction and then they can't articulate anything clearer than "I don't like her voice." I'm sure the Tournament Master will be able to give a better answer than that.  |
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Post by Chewey on Jan 31, 2008 8:24:35 GMT -5
Reasons people dislike Hillary
-she's a senator, and her already "polarizing" personality isn't helped by the fact that her senate voting record makes her reside in even more of a "political fish bowl" (I coined that myself!) where people have a clear voting record to attack.
-she's a Washingtonian who is about as much of a "politician" as anyone on Capitol Hill is supposed to be (whereas McCain somehow still gets described as an anti-establishment lawmaker)
-she is a sell-out who once championed a National Health Care plan but now receives one of the top amounts of money from health industry lobbyists, according to Michael Moore and his film, SiCKO.
-the nation is suffering from Bush/Clinton fatigue after twenty years
-many men feel insecure about a strong-minded woman who provided food on the table for many years before Bill became president.
However, I do feel the first three are valid reasons for disliking Hillary. There is a reason that the last time a senator was elected to the White House was John F. Kennedy.
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Post by Tournament Master on Jan 31, 2008 12:01:03 GMT -5
I'm sure the Tournament Master will be able to give a better answer than that. You give me way too much credit.  |
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Post by behindthebook on Jan 31, 2008 15:35:05 GMT -5
Well Edwards dropping out of the election hurts Obama heading into the final week before Super Tuesday. Obama can still do it, but he has a lot of work ahead of him. I really was hoping to be able to cast my ballot for Edwards on Feb 12, anyway, but it was time for him to step out. I agree that this will hurt Obama, but I still think it's a toss-up as to which will get the nomination -- him or Hillary. By next Tuesday we should know some more answers, In the meantime, I've gotta make up my mind about them... I'm curious why you think this will hurt Obama? I figured the lion' share of Edwards voters would break for Obama, as they were already in the ABC* camp. * Anyone But Clinton |
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Post by Wildfire on Jan 31, 2008 15:47:34 GMT -5
Why I don't like Hillary Clinton -
1) She rarely states an opinion about anything... this is pretty common among politicans, obviously, but she's taken it to new levels.
2) I think its wrong to have her get elected when Bill was already President for 8 years... I feel like that's a 'skirting of the rules' as far as term limits go. Anyone who wants to tell me it shouldn't matter can refer to the fact that CNN refers to 'the Clintons' running, not 'Hillary Clinton' on a regular basis... even Bill himself says 'We' alot when he's making speeches.
3) I have no personal respect for her.. She moved to New York expressly to become senator there, instead of running in Arkansas, because she thought it would help her run for President... not to mention staying married to a guy who publically humilitated her by gettign caught cheating and lying about it in the public eye, jsut so she can attempt to fufill her political ambitions.
4) she's far more arrogant than she has a right to be on her own merits... saying she has ''35 years in public service' is including being first lady(both of Arkansas and the country), which is not an elected post, and in fact, isn't a job at all.
I could go on, (I dislike her views on many issues as well) but you get the idea.
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Post by Tournament Master on Jan 31, 2008 22:05:14 GMT -5
Just watched the end of the debate, and there is one thing I am convinced of...Barack Obama really sounds like the Rock.
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Post by stephenvegas on Jan 31, 2008 22:11:24 GMT -5
Just watched the end of the debate, and there is one thing I am convinced of...Barack Obama really sounds like the Rock. Yeah, I thought so too a couple of weeks ago when Barack Obama came to here to campaign for the Nevada Caucus. He got on the microphone and said : "Finally Barack HAS COME BACK to Las Vegas, Nevada." ;D |
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Post by Chewey on Jan 31, 2008 23:06:21 GMT -5
"Finally Barack HAS COME BACK to Las Vegas, Nevada." ;D Haha. That is funny. |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Feb 1, 2008 5:47:27 GMT -5
I'm glad there are reasons people don't like Clinton, because quite often if you pose that question to someone who says they can't stand her (as one friend of mine did to another extremely right-wing friend of ours), all they do is sputter for about five seconds and then say, "Well, I just don't!" There are definitely reasons for dislike, which is what I'm grappling with, too. I don't like the fact that she's so in bed with lobbyists and corporate money, but then again, seems like Obama's heading down that road, too. I just don't think you can be an objective executive and be that beholden to big money. That's why I was so on the Edwards bandwagon, and why I'll be somewhat disappointed in him if he accepts a potential VP invitation from one of these two.
I've rethought my statement about Edwards being out hurting Obama since I've typed it, but I don't know that huge numbers are going to break his way. Could go to either of them. Heck, that's the position I'm in. I think Obama would be more electable, but after really studying issues, I find that I actually agree with Clinton on more stuff. For example, Obama wants teachers' pay to be made commensurate with their students' performance. A nice idea in theory, but as any teacher from an urban area will tell you, not always feasible. Coming from an urban environment himself in Chicago, Obama should know that. I think pay should be based on improvement, not necessarily how many get all As and Bs. You bring a failing kid to a B and C student level, that's way bigger of an achievement in my book.
Curious what the teachers on the board say to that?
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Post by behindthebook on Feb 1, 2008 22:10:48 GMT -5
Okay, here's the endorsment Hilary probably didn't want. |
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Post by Trent Lawless on Feb 1, 2008 22:44:17 GMT -5
You remember that song from South Park that Cartman sings about Kyle's mom?
Substitute the words "Ann Coulter" for "Kyle's Mom" and you have summed up my thoughts precisely.
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Post by Chewey on Feb 2, 2008 12:12:52 GMT -5
But Ann Coulter is kind of hot for a Republican TV and radio personality... when many of the other conservative media personalities like Sean Hannity and Bill Cunningham are anything but attractive.
EDITED to not offend at least one conservative on this board who sent a complaint...
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Post by Trent Lawless on Feb 2, 2008 18:47:50 GMT -5
Ann Coulter's mouth and what comes out of it makes her completely unattractive to me.
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Post by Pete on Feb 2, 2008 20:58:35 GMT -5
You remember that song from South Park that Cartman sings about Kyle's mom? Substitute the words "Ann Coulter" for "Kyle's Mom" and you have summed up my thoughts precisely. "Big and fat," though? Actually, if Ann got fat, she'd probably look healthier than she does now. (That is my incisive, trenchant political discourse for this thread. Thank you.) And Aaron...seriously, I'd look into LASIK or something. |
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Post by Chewey on Feb 11, 2008 19:53:17 GMT -5
I was just at a Barack Obama rally at the First Mariner Arena this evening in downtown Baltimore (a couple blocks from my school). Obama is certainly a very powerful and charismatic speaker, as we all know. He is also expected to sweep the Potomac primaries tomorrow, as he supposedly has a 19-point lead in Maryland and a 16-point lead in Virginia on the eve of the contest.
Before this rally I had no idea that Dick Cheney is a distant cousin to Obama. ;D
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